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#651 OFFLINE   maartena

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 12:27 PM

If they can.


Even if they can't switch TV providers, that would not affect any parent's support to their son to play in a PAC12 team. Parent's priorities are with their kids, not with the TV providers to watch them.

That said, if they can get DirecTV chances are incredibly high they can also get Dish Network.
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#652 OFFLINE   tonyd79

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 12:31 PM

Even if they can't switch TV providers, that would not affect any parent's support to their son to play in a PAC12 team. Parent's priorities are with their kids, not with the TV providers to watch them.

That said, if they can get DirecTV chances are incredibly high they can also get Dish Network.


You are assuming the PAC 12 is so much better for their kids which is nonsense.

It is a large factor. I've heard it stated by good parents who have good kids who are good students and good athletes.

It is not the only factor but a lot else being even, it can be a deciding one.

It is also a factor that the kid has seen the school on TV previously and his friends and high schoolmates can see him.
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#653 OFFLINE   Laxguy

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 12:51 PM

Unless the PAC12 is able and willing to sew up all the top games, every football fan family will have seen any number of games from whatever top athletic school they're approached by, or to which they apply.
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Posted 17 September 2012 - 12:51 PM

It is a large factor.


Not large enough for DirecTV to consider carrying it. In the scheme of things, this particular scenario, (parents that send their kids to a PAC12 team they then can't see on TV) has absolutely ZERO effect on DirecTV deciding on carriage or not.
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Posted 17 September 2012 - 12:56 PM

Those parents probably account for less than 0.01% of all DirecTV subs.
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Posted 17 September 2012 - 01:02 PM

Those parents probably account for less than 0.01% of all DirecTV subs.


I bet it's way less than your estimate of 3000 DIRECTV® households.
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Posted 17 September 2012 - 01:06 PM

This is transported from the Anticipation thread, which was going off topic.

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Originally Posted by Laxguy
My take, too.

I have asked, but not seen an answer, what important games will we miss due to Pac12's rights to some games? (And, yes, games are important, unimportant, or middling within their own context.)

fleckrj wrote:

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We cannot really know that. Each week, the networks divide up the games that will be played three weeks out. The PAC 12 network gets to go first every third or fourth week, so there is a chance that one or two more important games will be missed. There is also a chance that no important games will be played on the week that the PAC 12 network goes first, so there might not be any important games that will be missed.

So far, the USC-Stanford game is the most important game that we have missed. The only PAC 12 game I really care about at this time is USC-Oregon, but we do not yet know who will broadcast that one. Depending on what happens during the intervening weeks, by the time that game comes around, I might not care about it, either.



Thanks for that; my understanding of how that works has increased a lot from a low base!
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Posted 17 September 2012 - 01:09 PM

I bet it's way less than your estimate of 3000 DIRECTV® households.


My estimate?
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Posted 17 September 2012 - 01:15 PM

My estimate?


You wrote:

"Those parents probably account for less than 0.01% of all DirecTV subs."

The word probably indicates an estimate. I think you over estimated the number.
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Posted 17 September 2012 - 01:22 PM

You wrote:

"Those parents probably account for less than 0.01% of all DirecTV subs."

The word probably indicates an estimate. I think you over estimated the number.


Alright. I misunderstood.
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Posted 17 September 2012 - 01:43 PM

Dish has been putting more than just the Football in HD so far. Last night they aired a women's college soccer game in HD. I'm glad they airing some of the other main live sports in HD.

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 01:46 PM

Dish has been putting more than just the Football in HD so far. Last night they aired a women's college soccer game in HD. I'm glad they airing some of the other main live sports in HD.


That's really cool. I'm still hoping for a DirecTV deal, but I got a feeling it turned sour.
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Posted 17 September 2012 - 01:49 PM

Dish has been putting more than just the Football in HD so far. Last night they aired a women's college soccer game in HD. I'm glad they airing some of the other main live sports in HD.


I presume you're speaking of PAC12. It'll be interesting to see what sports they do broadcast- for example, wrestling? Tennis? Swimming? Softball? Lacrosse? (this latter is generally a club sport in the West for men, and I don't think any PAC12 school has a University team. Cal used to have a women's team, but it was cut to club status.)
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Posted 17 September 2012 - 01:52 PM

It is cool, but I just wish had been on Directv, so I wouldn't have had to add Dish network. The big loser in this is the fans. The gain is only for those companies picked up the network. In this case, Dish network gained my business. I would have never ever considered adding them in the past because of their reputation for dropping channels and not carrying sports.

That's really cool. I'm still hoping for a DirecTV deal, but I got a feeling it turned sour.



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Posted 17 September 2012 - 02:04 PM

It is cool, but I just wish had been on Directv, so I wouldn't have had to add Dish network. The big loser in this is the fans. The gain is only for those companies picked up the network. In this case, Dish network gained my business. I would have never ever considered adding them in the past because of their reputation for dropping channels and not carrying sports.


Think of it this way: You are doing your part of putting more money back in the economy. :D
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Posted 17 September 2012 - 02:05 PM

Not large enough for DirecTV to consider carrying it. In the scheme of things, this particular scenario, (parents that send their kids to a PAC12 team they then can't see on TV) has absolutely ZERO effect on DirecTV deciding on carriage or not.


No, not at all. The potential damage is to the schools. We were talking about the impact on recruiting, not on DirecTV.

There are more issues than just DirecTV and the PAC 12 Network(s) itself.

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 02:06 PM

Tweet from DirecTV

"We currently don't have any new information regarding the deal with PAC 12. But we will be sure to let you know if this changes."

Moving right along. :sleeping::sleeping::sleeping:
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Posted 17 September 2012 - 02:07 PM

Tweet from DirecTV

"We currently don't have any new information regarding the deal with PAC 12. But we will be sure to let you know if this changes."

Moving right along. :sleeping::sleeping::sleeping:


Breaking news.
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Posted 17 September 2012 - 02:08 PM

Dish has been putting more than just the Football in HD so far. Last night they aired a women's college soccer game in HD. I'm glad they airing some of the other main live sports in HD.


Good for them.

I am assuming that if DirecTV does sign up, it will be HD fulltime for the main channel, but glad to hear that customers are getting HD for non-football games.
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Posted 17 September 2012 - 02:12 PM

sounds like the same old canned answer to me.

Breaking news.



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Posted 17 September 2012 - 02:13 PM

No, not at all. The potential damage is to the schools. We were talking about the impact on recruiting, not on DirecTV.

There are more issues than just DirecTV and the PAC 12 Network(s) itself.

:)


I think the network not being carried on DirecTV also has ZERO influence on recruiting. We're talking - at most - several thousand parents, 99% of which can get Dish Network.

A few dozen parents might have a tree where the Dish satellite is, where they can get DirecTV just fine.... but from what I find on this forum, it is really an INCREDIBLE small amount of people who are situated in such a way they can get DirecTV, but not Dish. And those parents might still be able to get cable or use a cable account from a family member to watch it online. And that family member might even be the player itself.

Really, it has NO influence whatsoever on recruiting new players for PAC12 universities. None whatsoever.
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Posted 17 September 2012 - 02:26 PM

I think the network not being carried on DirecTV also has ZERO influence on recruiting. We're talking - at most - several thousand parents, 99% of which can get Dish Network.

A few dozen parents might have a tree where the Dish satellite is, where they can get DirecTV just fine.... but from what I find on this forum, it is really an INCREDIBLE small amount of people who are situated in such a way they can get DirecTV, but not Dish. And those parents might still be able to get cable or use a cable account from a family member to watch it online. And that family member might even be the player itself.

Really, it has NO influence whatsoever on recruiting new players for PAC12 universities. None whatsoever.


You missed the parts about the kid seeing the team on TV and his friends being able to see him? These are all impacts.

As you don't follow football or basketball, I think you are out of your depth to discuss recruitment in those sports.

And small numbers ARE involved. Basketball scholarships are limited to 15 per school at any one time. You lose one recruit because of availability and it can be impactful. You cannot use big statistical numbers for these cases.

Believe me, the PAC 12 was very mindful of recruitment of players when they decided to set up their network. It is a big recruiting tool. Putting all schools on TV for the major sports for all games is not just about money. It is about branding and branding translates into recruiting in college sports.

As a person who cannot get Dish (line of sight) but has DirecTV, don't discount it at all. The angles are very different.
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Posted 17 September 2012 - 02:26 PM

Ok this is turning into a discussion of PAC 12 on DIRECTV and not about the PAC 12 Dish deal.

If you have a comment about the Dish deal make it here. If you want to discuss this or any other HD channel coming to DIRECTV the go to the Anticipation thread.

I suspect there's little else to discuss about the Dish/PAC 12 deal but I'll leave this open for a while. Mean while if you want discuss DIRECTV and PAC 12, don't do it here.

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 02:29 PM

Ok this is turning into a discussion of PAC 12 on DIRECTV and not about the PAC 12 Dish deal.

If you have a comment about the Dish deal make it here. If you want to discuss this or any other HD channel coming to DIRECTV the go to the Anticipation thread.

I suspect there's little else to discuss about the Dish/PAC 12 deal but I'll leave this open for a while. Mean while if you want discuss DIRECTV and PAC 12, don't do it here.

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May I ask why the conversation can't go on? Everyone is being civil and it is obvious that the topic has great interest. So much that it would inundate the anticipation thread in a time when DirecTV is actually adding channels on a fairly regular basis.

In fact, we are discussing a lot of interesting side topics having to do with the PAC 12 network that are inappropriate for the anticipation thread.

Please do not stifle a good exchange of ideas.
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Posted 17 September 2012 - 02:30 PM

From personal experience I can tell you that a parents favorite school is the one that provides the largest scholarship ....
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