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PAC-12 and DISH have deal


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#41 OFFLINE   tonyd79

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 10:58 AM

True we don't know the exact details but I would be surprised if it wasn't comparable to the same deal offered to Dish and even cable companies who aren't being forced to carry nation wide outside pac12 states.


I actually think not. At least not initially. Mike White didn't make his no 7 channels statement to hear himself talk.
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Posted 08 September 2012 - 10:59 AM

True we don't know the exact details but I would be surprised if it wasn't comparable to the same deal offered to Dish and even cable companies who aren't being forced to carry nation wide outside pac12 states.


I bet it's a lot different because of the advertising clause involved. That's likely playing a big monetary role.
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Posted 08 September 2012 - 11:00 AM

I bet it's a lot different because of the advertising clause involved. That's likely playing a big monetary role.


Good point.
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Posted 08 September 2012 - 11:03 AM

Also directv has a page dedicated to this issue.
http://support.direc...etail/a_id/3912


That page is full of half-truths and totally misses the point of having the Pac-12 network for fans of the individual schools who demand to see ALL games for their team. They are not going to convince us that the Pac-12 network doesn't carry games of national importance.

That being said, it sounds like Larry Scott, the Pac-12 head, gave Dish a better deal.

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 11:05 AM

From D*:. But, as it stands now, the price is much too high to accept their demand that we make it available to all customers, some of whom will have to take on this unnecessary cost for a channel they don’t want.

That statement doesn't wash.
How many of the hundreds of channels carried by D* that we all pay for but don't want and never watch?

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 11:10 AM

Too many to count. To give an idea of some, how about those Viacom channels I don't need or want but have to pay for.

From D*:. But, as it stands now, the price is much too high to accept their demand that we make it available to all customers, some of whom will have to take on this unnecessary cost for a channel they don’t want.

That statement doesn't wash.
How many of the hundreds of channels carried by D* that we all pay for but don't want and never watch?



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Posted 08 September 2012 - 11:10 AM

I bet it's a lot different because of the advertising clause involved. That's likely playing a big monetary role.

I wonder who came up with that idea? I bet Dish went to the Pac 12 with it. I bet they did the same thing when the Versus dispute was going on with D*.

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 11:11 AM

Too many to count. To give an idea of some, how about those Viacom channels I don't need or want but have to pay for.


Yeah. Compare channels that cost less than 10 cents to one that may want over an dollar.
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Posted 08 September 2012 - 11:13 AM

And it will be interesting to see how many people defect because of this in the quarterly report. I think Direct will take a hit especially if they dont get a deal by September 22nd.


No way. It won't register as even a blip on subscriptions, less than that on financials. -Not that anyone here will have a definitive way to judge what causes subs to rise or fall, i.a.e.
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Posted 08 September 2012 - 11:17 AM

However, those viacom channels add up to more than a dollar when added up together.

Yeah. Compare channels that cost less than 10 cents to one that may want over an dollar.



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Posted 08 September 2012 - 11:18 AM

Too many to count. To give an idea of some, how about those Viacom channels I don't need or want but have to pay for.


I agree I don't watch any of the Viacom channels and i'm forced to pay for all of them.

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 11:22 AM

More people tune to those Viacom channels.
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Posted 08 September 2012 - 11:22 AM

However, those viacom channels add up to more than a dollar when added up together.


And total they get way more viewership than the PAC 12 will. Don't be silly.
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Posted 08 September 2012 - 11:24 AM

Perhaps I'm missing something here, because as my avatar suggest I only follow USC (and only the football team at that). But internet streaming aside, how much more can adding only one national Pac 12 channel (which may be only in SD) contribute beyond what the main networks ESPN, ABC, and Fox provide?

To me to moan that "Dish now has the Pac 12 network" is an overreaction and is more in name than anything else without carrying any of the regional channels.

I think its more fitting to say that Dish today "barely" has the "Pac 12 network," which granted is technically more than DIRECTV has at the moment. But I certainly wouldn't say its anything to boast about with only one channel of it.


19 pac12 conference games that you can't watch anywhere else, as well As over 100+ basketball games


And please what is this barely have p12 network business?

That is the deal that dtv wanted. They only wanted one channel, so yes dish can boast it

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 11:26 AM

That maybe, but the point was about the fact that we have to pay for stations that not everyone wants and that be the excuse they are using about the pac 12 network which is an network I do want.

And total they get way more viewership than the PAC 12 will. Don't be silly.



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Posted 08 September 2012 - 11:27 AM

And total they get way more viewership than the PAC 12 will. Don't be silly.


Look at cable viewer ratings and price per subscriber. Way more viewers don't mean as much as live-non dvr ratings

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 11:27 AM

That maybe, but the point was about the fact that we have to pay for stations that not everyone wants and that be the excuse they are using about the pac 12 network which is an network I do want.


Read the whole quote. The price was part of it. And it is not about individuals. It is about numbers.
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Posted 08 September 2012 - 11:29 AM

Look at cable viewer ratings and price per subscriber. Way more viewers don't mean as much as live-non dvr ratings


Huh? More viewers doesn't mean better ratings? Huh?
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Posted 08 September 2012 - 11:29 AM

For example USA networks has much more viewers than espn, but espn has 5 times the $$ per subscriber than USA network charges

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 11:31 AM

For example USA networks has much more viewers than espn, but espn has 5 times the $$ per subscriber than USA network charges


Oh. Pick an anomaly and use it as a standard. Yup. Works every time. Nope.
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