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PAC-12 and DISH have deal


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#51 OFFLINE   camo

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 11:18 AM

Too many to count. To give an idea of some, how about those Viacom channels I don't need or want but have to pay for.


I agree I don't watch any of the Viacom channels and i'm forced to pay for all of them.

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#52 ONLINE   sigma1914

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 11:22 AM

More people tune to those Viacom channels.
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Posted 08 September 2012 - 11:22 AM

However, those viacom channels add up to more than a dollar when added up together.


And total they get way more viewership than the PAC 12 will. Don't be silly.
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Posted 08 September 2012 - 11:24 AM

Perhaps I'm missing something here, because as my avatar suggest I only follow USC (and only the football team at that). But internet streaming aside, how much more can adding only one national Pac 12 channel (which may be only in SD) contribute beyond what the main networks ESPN, ABC, and Fox provide?

To me to moan that "Dish now has the Pac 12 network" is an overreaction and is more in name than anything else without carrying any of the regional channels.

I think its more fitting to say that Dish today "barely" has the "Pac 12 network," which granted is technically more than DIRECTV has at the moment. But I certainly wouldn't say its anything to boast about with only one channel of it.


19 pac12 conference games that you can't watch anywhere else, as well As over 100+ basketball games


And please what is this barely have p12 network business?

That is the deal that dtv wanted. They only wanted one channel, so yes dish can boast it

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 11:26 AM

That maybe, but the point was about the fact that we have to pay for stations that not everyone wants and that be the excuse they are using about the pac 12 network which is an network I do want.

And total they get way more viewership than the PAC 12 will. Don't be silly.



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Posted 08 September 2012 - 11:27 AM

And total they get way more viewership than the PAC 12 will. Don't be silly.


Look at cable viewer ratings and price per subscriber. Way more viewers don't mean as much as live-non dvr ratings

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 11:27 AM

That maybe, but the point was about the fact that we have to pay for stations that not everyone wants and that be the excuse they are using about the pac 12 network which is an network I do want.


Read the whole quote. The price was part of it. And it is not about individuals. It is about numbers.
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Posted 08 September 2012 - 11:29 AM

Look at cable viewer ratings and price per subscriber. Way more viewers don't mean as much as live-non dvr ratings


Huh? More viewers doesn't mean better ratings? Huh?
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Posted 08 September 2012 - 11:29 AM

For example USA networks has much more viewers than espn, but espn has 5 times the $$ per subscriber than USA network charges

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 11:31 AM

For example USA networks has much more viewers than espn, but espn has 5 times the $$ per subscriber than USA network charges


Oh. Pick an anomaly and use it as a standard. Yup. Works every time. Nope.
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Posted 08 September 2012 - 11:34 AM

OK, I have found the answer to the question I asked about what games will we in large West Coast DMAs miss? According to DIRECTV's web page on the matter, none, or practically none. Now, that's me, and way different from, say, a Ducks fan who wants to see all games they play. I want to see only the top rated matchups, in or out of conference. I don't think I will be missing any of those without DIRECTV® signing up with Pac12.

Sandy Barbour can go stick it.


I'm glad your happy, but that page doesn't tell the whole truth as more football games TBD will be aired on the Pac-12 network this year. The Pac-12 network made sure that it would have first pick over FOX/ESPN/ABC on some weeks.

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 11:35 AM

I actually think not. At least not initially. Mike White didn't make his no 7 channels statement to hear himself talk.

Pac-12 website shows the seven as one "network" feed and six regionals.
http://video.pac-12.com/networks

I don't know what that translates to on their uplinks to carriers ... if Pac-12 produces seven 24/7 feeds that each cable system picks from and they initially expected DirecTV to carry all seven. Carrying the one main feed and adding the others as alts when the content varies would seem to work just as well (unless the advertising was different on each regional feed).

It still takes up a lot of alternate slots (assuming there will be a day where all seven are different) but one 24/7 feed plus alts should be workable.

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 11:35 AM

Oh. Pick an anomaly and use it as a standard. Yup. Works every time. Nope.


Anomaly? There is value in live sporting events. Numerous articles speak to that.

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 11:38 AM

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The only issue I see is BTN. It appears BTN is carried nationwide in Choice? BTN is not carried nationwide by DISH in AT120+. If Pac12 wants the same deal as BTN, DirecTV will need to place Pac12 in Choice.


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Since 1995 the average cable bill has increased 122%, while TV consumption per household just 13%.

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 11:42 AM

Pac-12 website shows the seven as one "network" feed and six regionals.
http://video.pac-12.com/networks

I don't know what that translates to on their uplinks to carriers ... if Pac-12 produces seven 24/7 feeds that each cable system picks from and they initially expected DirecTV to carry all seven. Carrying the one main feed and adding the others as alts when the content varies would seem to work just as well (unless the advertising was different on each regional feed).

It still takes up a lot of alternate slots (assuming there will be a day where all seven are different) but one 24/7 feed plus alts should be workable.


That has been my stance since day 1.


All seven are full time from pac 12. Cable systems typically use their local region plus national. All available all the time.
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Posted 08 September 2012 - 11:45 AM

Anomaly? There is value in live sporting events.


Only ONE channel is like that. Anomaly. Not even the other espn's cost near the same. Anomaly. It is because espn is a must have because it is expected. Has nothing to do with the amount of live sports. Go into a bar. See espn on even when no game.
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Posted 08 September 2012 - 11:53 AM

For example USA networks has much more viewers than espn, but espn has 5 times the $$ per subscriber than USA network charges


You are right viewer numbers are only part of the equation on what channels are more important. If your audience is teeny boppers and children like many of the viacom channels commercials are cheap to run. If your audience consist of adults that buy products like adult beverages, automobiles and pay the bills including cable, satellite the advertising goes up along with demand for the channel like ESPN.

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 11:55 AM

But do NOT compare PAC 12 to ESPN. The most analogous is BTN.
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Posted 08 September 2012 - 12:05 PM

If it isnt HD then who cares.

SD is for losers. :P

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 12:09 PM

There already a thread, this will get locked.


Guess it wont.

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 12:19 PM

However, SD is better than not having it at all and the online content when made available is in HD.

If it isnt HD then who cares.

SD is for losers. :P



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Posted 08 September 2012 - 12:22 PM

However, SD is better than not having it at all and the online content when made available is in HD.


On line content usually sucks. I've never had great success except with MLB.
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Posted 08 September 2012 - 12:36 PM

If it isnt HD then who cares.

SD is for losers. :P


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Posted 08 September 2012 - 12:45 PM

Do bear in mind that there are millions out there who cannot afford HD. Please.
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Posted 08 September 2012 - 01:00 PM

On line content usually sucks. I've never had great success except with MLB.


The way I understand it online content is only for subs of one of the carriers anyway. Almost all rural areas outside the major cities don't even have the option to stream the content. They may make a change in the future because I see where areas like the vast Navajo Reservation in 3 states are going to be completely cut off. With Dish being an option now that may cancel that change however.

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