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#61 OFFLINE   ChileDuck

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 11:34 AM

OK, I have found the answer to the question I asked about what games will we in large West Coast DMAs miss? According to DIRECTV's web page on the matter, none, or practically none. Now, that's me, and way different from, say, a Ducks fan who wants to see all games they play. I want to see only the top rated matchups, in or out of conference. I don't think I will be missing any of those without DIRECTV® signing up with Pac12.

Sandy Barbour can go stick it.


I'm glad your happy, but that page doesn't tell the whole truth as more football games TBD will be aired on the Pac-12 network this year. The Pac-12 network made sure that it would have first pick over FOX/ESPN/ABC on some weeks.

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 11:35 AM

I actually think not. At least not initially. Mike White didn't make his no 7 channels statement to hear himself talk.

Pac-12 website shows the seven as one "network" feed and six regionals.
http://video.pac-12.com/networks

I don't know what that translates to on their uplinks to carriers ... if Pac-12 produces seven 24/7 feeds that each cable system picks from and they initially expected DirecTV to carry all seven. Carrying the one main feed and adding the others as alts when the content varies would seem to work just as well (unless the advertising was different on each regional feed).

It still takes up a lot of alternate slots (assuming there will be a day where all seven are different) but one 24/7 feed plus alts should be workable.

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 11:35 AM

Oh. Pick an anomaly and use it as a standard. Yup. Works every time. Nope.


Anomaly? There is value in live sporting events. Numerous articles speak to that.

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 11:38 AM

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The only issue I see is BTN. It appears BTN is carried nationwide in Choice? BTN is not carried nationwide by DISH in AT120+. If Pac12 wants the same deal as BTN, DirecTV will need to place Pac12 in Choice.


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Posted 08 September 2012 - 11:42 AM

Pac-12 website shows the seven as one "network" feed and six regionals.
http://video.pac-12.com/networks

I don't know what that translates to on their uplinks to carriers ... if Pac-12 produces seven 24/7 feeds that each cable system picks from and they initially expected DirecTV to carry all seven. Carrying the one main feed and adding the others as alts when the content varies would seem to work just as well (unless the advertising was different on each regional feed).

It still takes up a lot of alternate slots (assuming there will be a day where all seven are different) but one 24/7 feed plus alts should be workable.


That has been my stance since day 1.


All seven are full time from pac 12. Cable systems typically use their local region plus national. All available all the time.
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Posted 08 September 2012 - 11:45 AM

Anomaly? There is value in live sporting events.


Only ONE channel is like that. Anomaly. Not even the other espn's cost near the same. Anomaly. It is because espn is a must have because it is expected. Has nothing to do with the amount of live sports. Go into a bar. See espn on even when no game.
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Posted 08 September 2012 - 11:53 AM

For example USA networks has much more viewers than espn, but espn has 5 times the $$ per subscriber than USA network charges


You are right viewer numbers are only part of the equation on what channels are more important. If your audience is teeny boppers and children like many of the viacom channels commercials are cheap to run. If your audience consist of adults that buy products like adult beverages, automobiles and pay the bills including cable, satellite the advertising goes up along with demand for the channel like ESPN.

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 11:55 AM

But do NOT compare PAC 12 to ESPN. The most analogous is BTN.
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Posted 08 September 2012 - 12:05 PM

If it isnt HD then who cares.

SD is for losers. :P

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 12:09 PM

There already a thread, this will get locked.


Guess it wont.

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 12:19 PM

However, SD is better than not having it at all and the online content when made available is in HD.

If it isnt HD then who cares.

SD is for losers. :P



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Posted 08 September 2012 - 12:22 PM

However, SD is better than not having it at all and the online content when made available is in HD.


On line content usually sucks. I've never had great success except with MLB.
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Posted 08 September 2012 - 12:36 PM

If it isnt HD then who cares.

SD is for losers. :P


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Posted 08 September 2012 - 12:45 PM

Do bear in mind that there are millions out there who cannot afford HD. Please.
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Posted 08 September 2012 - 01:00 PM

On line content usually sucks. I've never had great success except with MLB.


The way I understand it online content is only for subs of one of the carriers anyway. Almost all rural areas outside the major cities don't even have the option to stream the content. They may make a change in the future because I see where areas like the vast Navajo Reservation in 3 states are going to be completely cut off. With Dish being an option now that may cancel that change however.

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 01:07 PM

The way I understand it online content is only for subs of one of the carriers anyway. Almost all rural areas outside the major cities don't even have the option to stream the content. They may make a change in the future because I see where areas like the vast Navajo Reservation in 3 states are going to be completely cut off. With Dish being an option now that may cancel that change however.


PAC 12 plans to expand on line to the point where every competition will be available that way. They see that as the future. Rural areas are screwed without satellite Internet or at least LTE for some.
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Posted 08 September 2012 - 01:25 PM

PAC 12 plans to expand on line to the point where every competition will be available that way. They see that as the future. Rural areas are screwed without satellite Internet or at least LTE for some.


Yeah some communities have DSL and cable, some use the satellite and phone for internet. Like I said you can't just subscribe to the Pac12 network internet service unless you're a subscriber of one the cable companies that carry it like COX. Now we can add Dish Network to those we can stream online content with.

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 01:32 PM

PAC-12's sales pitch is probably focused on telling other providers that this is a chance to encroach into DirecTV's neighborhood.

I've already seen a Comcast commercial spouting how, "they are a 'leader' in sports programming."

DirecTV just lost a lot of negotiating leverage with Dish on board now, IMO. Not sure exactly which side is being stubborn, but delaying tactics may come back to haunt DirecTV.

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 01:33 PM

PAC-12's sales pitch is probably focused on telling other providers that this is a chance to encroach into DirecTV's neighborhood.

I've already seen a Comcast commercial spouting how, "they are a 'leader' in sports programming."

DirecTV just lost a lot of negotiating leverage with Dish on board now, IMO. Not sure exactly which side is being stubborn, but delaying tactics may come back to haunt DirecTV.


Not new. They have claimed they have more live sports programming than anyone for over a year. They count espn3 because of their Internet offerings.

And actually I think the PAC 12 lost leverage. They wanted all channels. They gave that up.
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Posted 08 September 2012 - 01:37 PM

If it isnt HD then who cares.

SD is for losers. :P


The SD is only for the week to get it on, from the PAC-12 page

"DISH Network is airing our programming in standard definition this weekend to ensure that they’d be able to air today’s games, but they’re working quickly to deliver our coverage in HD - possibly as soon as next week. We’ll bring you the details as they come."




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