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#76 OFFLINE   Nick

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 09:21 AM

Humans survived and thrived for millennia without electricity. What would make anyone think the human race wouldn't continue without it? We, the technologically advanced may not do well or even survive in a post-apocalyptic, technology-deprived world, but there are many millions, if not billions existing and even doing well on the planet without the benefit of a single electron.

Keep in mind that our Founding Fathers never heard of electricity, much less radio, television, cell phones or even old-fashioned wall-mounted crank telephones. They never heard recorded music or any music that wasn't performed "live". Until the last 200 years, all human communication was by voice, by writing or art, by notches on a tree or stones placed on a rock or a human head on a stick.

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 10:16 AM

Humans survived and thrived for millennia without electricity. What would make anyone think the human race wouldn't continue without it? We, the technologically advanced may not do well or even survive in a post-apocalyptic, technology-deprived world, but there are many millions, if not billions existing and even doing well on the planet without the benefit of a single electron.

Keep in mind that our Founding Fathers never heard of electricity, much less radio, television, cell phones or even old-fashioned wall-mounted crank telephones. They never heard recorded music or any music that wasn't performed "live". Until the last 200 years, all human communication was by voice, by writing or art, by notches on a tree or stones placed on a rock or a human head on a stick.


I totally agree that using electricity as a utility is not something life or even civilization is dependent on. However in Revolution the assumption is something happened to prevent any electric current from flowing. Hand cranked generators dont work, batteries dont work. Taking that to its conclusion, life itself which depends on minute electric currents along nerves and into muscles would cease.
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Posted 24 September 2012 - 10:25 AM

No doubt there is a small portion of society that would survive but the majority would not. Clean drinking water would be one rather large obstacle to survival for the masses. Lack of prescription medications for a society that is largely dependent on them for day to day survival is another. The bulk of our food sources are also very reliant on energy in order to produce the volume required to feed the population. How many people know how to grow a garden that would sustain their family for an entire year without the ability to irrigate from the spigot or drive to the store for seeds, fertilizer and pesticides?

It is surprising to me how many deaths there are during short term power outages caused by weather. Any prolonged period would be catastrophic.

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 10:28 AM

I totally agree that using electricity as a utility is not something life or even civilization is dependent on. However in Revolution the assumption is something happened to prevent any electric current from flowing. Hand cranked generators dont work, batteries dont work. Taking that to its conclusion, life itself which depends on minute electric currents along nerves and into muscles would cease.


Another technical error overlooked by the show's "creative" writers.
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Posted 24 September 2012 - 03:00 PM

Worse about Die Hard 2 was:

- gun shots are fired in an airport and they keep it open running normally. Even back then, complete shutdown.

- no one noticed that a major airport was not landing planes?

- planes circled until they ran out of fuel? Not like there aren't 2 other airports in the immediate area and at least a dozen within an hour or two flight.

I don't have problems with details but the concepts upon which a story hinge. The pilot had so many holes you could drive a truck through them. No electricity at all? Life stops. End of show.


What about the fire running up into the fuel tank as the plane is in the air from the ground. So the dump valve is open, so what. Is jet fuel that much more energetic burning that gasoline, I doubt it. And the Jet would surely be outrunning the flame, not to mention that there would be so many breaks in the fuel stream from turbulence.

But when did reality ever keep Hollywood from a good special effect? Ever watch Silver Streak? When the engine crashes into the gift shop? All kinds of flashes from underneath it as it crashes through unpowered displays?

Or a falling sign that has ripped loose from the electric feed that stays lit until it crashes in a blast of sparks?

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 03:09 PM

After 25 minutes it seemed to be the kind of show that never finds a direction like Invasion, Jericho and last years Terra Nova and will just disappear within a few months.


Where is it written that a series has to run for years. Some of the "Cable" channels seem to do OK with reruns of low episode count shows.

Yeah I know, in the so called minds of the programming types at the networks. Pitch a 1 year only show and they probably laugh at you and give you the bums rush.

Some shows would easily fit into a one year run where the show ends properly at the end of the year.

It is the channels that have to stretch them too long.

For me lost started out OK during the first year, Then it just fizzled and I stopped watching. If they had brought everything to a close at the end of the first year I would have liked it better than giving up watching it like I did.

Mork & Mindy, The first year was the best. Then it seemed like they reined in Robin Williams and ruined it.
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Posted 24 September 2012 - 04:27 PM

Where is it written that a series has to run for years. Some of the "Cable" channels seem to do OK with reruns of low episode count shows.

Yeah I know, in the so called minds of the programming types at the networks. Pitch a 1 year only show and they probably laugh at you and give you the bums rush.

Some shows would easily fit into a one year run where the show ends properly at the end of the year.

It is the channels that have to stretch them too long.

For me lost started out OK during the first year, Then it just fizzled and I stopped watching. If they had brought everything to a close at the end of the first year I would have liked it better than giving up watching it like I did.

Mork & Mindy, The first year was the best. Then it seemed like they reined in Robin Williams and ruined it.


In this vein, how about Heroes? It had me hooked the first year but it went downhill after that, to the point that during the last year I didn't even worry if I missed an episode
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Posted 24 September 2012 - 04:59 PM

In this vein, how about Heroes? It had me hooked the first year but it went downhill after that, to the point that during the last year I didn't even worry if I missed an episode

Checking the episode guide, we had the writers strike during the second season. For nine months, there were no new episodes, and all momentum was lost.

During that writer's strike, I went through and deleted all my season passes. I figured, if I cared enough about a show, I'll make the effort to re-add the show in. The Unit made the cut, but got cancelled anyways. The three CSIs, Bones, and a few others didn't.

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 05:12 PM

Question for electrical engineers.

Let's say the US suffered a solar storm similar to 1859..

http://en.wikipedia....r_storm_of_1859

If one disconnected electrical appliances before the storm hit, would the memory be fried?

Let's say one had a diesel generator post-storm. Would it produce power after a solar hit?
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Posted 24 September 2012 - 06:07 PM

Question for electrical engineers.

Let's say the US suffered a solar storm similar to 1859..

http://en.wikipedia....r_storm_of_1859

If one disconnected electrical appliances before the storm hit, would the memory be fried?

Let's say one had a diesel generator post-storm. Would it produce power after a solar hit?


I am not an expert on this but my understanding is that it is the electrical grid acting as a nationwide antenna to absorb the solar energy that will fry anything hooked to it. A device sitting in your house not hooked to anything will not absorb enough energy itself to cause problems. Same thing with the generator, as long as it is not hooked up it should be fine.
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Posted 24 September 2012 - 08:53 PM

I think the problem is that some of you guys are more focused on being smart than entertained. I have a strong educational background, and a mathematical/scientific way of thinking. But for me, good TV is about losing yourself in interesting people and situations.

Not everybody wants everything to be real. I live real every day. I don't need fiction to be real.

We watched the pilot, and we will watch the second episode.

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Posted 25 September 2012 - 05:14 AM

I have a certain amount of "willing suspension of disbelief". It's like a reservoir fed by a river but once it goes dry, I can't get it back.

I finally watched the Revolution pilot.

There were a lot of little things that bugged me - the biggest little thing was how electricity in our bodies wasn't affected (do we still get static electricity sparks touching metal? Touching each other?). The "little things" got pretty numerous but I was still able to put them in the back of my head.

But the big one? Fifteen years and steam hasn't made a comeback? Those military types would IMMEDIATELY be looking for a replacement technology AND THE TRACKS ARE ALREADY LAID. Heck there are a few steam engines still working AND people who know how to service them AND books on how to keep things going.

Apart from that, with few likeable characters, I found myself just getting angered.

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Posted 25 September 2012 - 05:47 AM

I think the problem is that some of you guys are more focused on being smart than entertained. I have a strong educational background, and a mathematical/scientific way of thinking. But for me, good TV is about losing yourself in interesting people and situations.

Not everybody wants everything to be real. I live real every day. I don't need fiction to be real.

We watched the pilot, and we will watch the second episode.


No, we're focused on being "plausibly" entertained. Some forty plus years ago Gene Roddenberry created a science fiction series with a shoestring budget. The name of that series is Star Trek. Look at some of the episodes and you'll see that characters perspired when exerting themselves. They bruised and bled when they were injured or killed. Their uniforms and equipment soiled when exposed to the elements for long durations. The technology in the series is believable because experts in various fields of science were used as advisors. And least we forget the creative scripts written by some of the most talented writers of that time. That "plausible" formula produced one of the most successful franchises in Hollywood's history.
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Posted 25 September 2012 - 08:07 AM

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Posted 25 September 2012 - 09:18 AM

Well, there was the comment in the recent episode about why it doesn't make sense that no power has started back up yet again. So, it does look like the writers have something in mind...

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Posted 25 September 2012 - 11:55 AM

Revolution dropped from 4.1 to 3.5 in its second episode.

How does that compare to other recent epics that were canceled after one season?

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Posted 25 September 2012 - 12:23 PM

Well if nothing else it seems this show is the most discussed show of the new season on dbstalk.com for whatever that's worth.


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Posted 25 September 2012 - 01:01 PM

I have a certain amount of "willing suspension of disbelief". It's like a reservoir fed by a river but once it goes dry, I can't get it back.

I finally watched the Revolution pilot.

There were a lot of little things that bugged me - the biggest little thing was how electricity in our bodies wasn't affected (do we still get static electricity sparks touching metal? Touching each other?). The "little things" got pretty numerous but I was still able to put them in the back of my head.

But the big one? Fifteen years and steam hasn't made a comeback? Those military types would IMMEDIATELY be looking for a replacement technology AND THE TRACKS ARE ALREADY LAID. Heck there are a few steam engines still working AND people who know how to service them AND books on how to keep things going.

Apart from that, with few likeable characters, I found myself just getting angered.


There are steam engines running these days however with no electricity they would need to have more than tracks. You need a source of water along the tracks since they do not recycle what they use. Think the water tower in Petticoat Junction.
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Both of those would need to re-established for a steam engine to work.

However steam powered transportation on the roads, Steam powered boats maybe with a lot less work.
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Posted 25 September 2012 - 01:06 PM

In this vein, how about Heroes? It had me hooked the first year but it went downhill after that, to the point that during the last year I didn't even worry if I missed an episode


Yea, I liked the first season, then it went a little weird.

So far I'm liking Major Crimes as much as the Closer.

I find that I like the first season of many shows and then not too much for the second season. Warehouse 13 is OK now but not as good as it was. I should mention that I may be influenced by not liking recurring villains.

There are exceptions, Grimm, NCIS, Leverage, The Closer and now Major Crimes come to mind.
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Posted 25 September 2012 - 03:11 PM

Revolution dropped from 4.1 to 3.5 in its second episode.

How does that compare to other recent epics that were canceled after one season?

Doesn't matter. The plot is down right childish. Except for the mystery of how, there's nothing else of interest. I wont miss this one.

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Posted 25 September 2012 - 06:06 PM

I deleted the 2nd episode 10 minutes into it.I totally lost interest in it.Too bad !

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Posted 25 September 2012 - 06:41 PM

I found it too busy, with too much going on. I tried it, but like BBC's Copper, after 2 episodes.......no mas! It's kind of a cheap imitation of the Walking Dead, without the Zombies!

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Posted 25 September 2012 - 06:45 PM

I deleted the 2nd episode 10 minutes into it.I totally lost interest in it.Too bad !


I also did,

The Fallout 3 game story-line kills this. Hasn't NBC had huge hits on the premiere nights only to cancel the shows weeks later?:lol:

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Posted 25 September 2012 - 08:37 PM

Doesn't matter. The plot is down right childish. Except for the mystery of how, there's nothing else of interest. I wont miss this one.


Thanks, but it matters to me.

Anybody have a helpful response to my question?

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Posted 26 September 2012 - 03:33 AM

Thanks, but it matters to me.

Anybody have a helpful response to my question?


This might be a starting point. http://tvdramas.abou.../cancel0506.htm
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