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#21 OFFLINE   mnassour

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Posted 16 September 2012 - 07:57 PM

Hoping that it is at least 16x9 SD. That does make a difference. More pixels.


What bothers me is that anytime we've seen 16X9 on a 4X3 frame anywhere on DirecTV, it's usually letterboxed,meaning those of us who have 16X9 see bars on all sides!

In fact, only last week have we started seeing Al Jazeera (via MHz Worldview) in anamorphic NTSC, so at least it can be stretched to properly fill the screen.

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#22 OFFLINE   espnjason

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Posted 16 September 2012 - 10:21 PM

Channel is a waste since it's SD only, imho. Especially a movie channel and I would be very interested in this channel too! I'm a HD snob and I'm proud to admit it!


I don't think DirecTV wanted to give them the Shorts HD treatment, at least until D14 launches.

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Posted 16 September 2012 - 10:30 PM

What bothers me is that anytime we've seen 16X9 on a 4X3 frame anywhere on DirecTV, it's usually letterboxed,meaning those of us who have 16X9 see bars on all sides!

In fact, only last week have we started seeing Al Jazeera (via MHz Worldview) in anamorphic NTSC, so at least it can be stretched to properly fill the screen.


There are many here who feel that any stretching is undesirable.

As for any lo-rez picture that is letterboxed; I'd rather have that than too few pixels spread over too big screen real estate.
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#24 ONLINE   HoTat2

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 04:09 AM

There are many here who feel that any stretching is undesirable. ...


If the picture is an anamorphic squeeze, you have to stretch it horizontally otherwise the picture will be stretched vertically.

... As for any lo-rez picture that is letterboxed; I'd rather have that than too few pixels spread over too big screen real estate.


Well ... apparently you got your wish;

As Cinemoi just went live, and the picture is window-boxed (on HD sets).

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 05:52 AM

Do yourself a favor, and record "The Great Buck Henry" on Wednesday at 23:30 ET. A really fine movie.

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 05:55 AM

There are many here who feel that any stretching is undesirable.

As for any lo-rez picture that is letterboxed; I'd rather have that than too few pixels spread over too big screen real estate.

Those are fair assessments.

I'm simply surprised at times how well these kinds of very old movies and programming can be broadcast in HD at times. Seeing Lawrence of Arabia on Blu Ray, for example, defies belief.
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Posted 17 September 2012 - 06:38 AM

Those are fair assessments.

I'm simply surprised at times how well these kinds of very old movies and programming can be broadcast in HD at times. Seeing Lawrence of Arabia on Blu Ray, for example, defies belief.


Why does it defy belief?
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Posted 17 September 2012 - 06:41 AM

Why does it defy belief?

Most folks wouldn't expect 50-year-old movies to look so amazingly great (since they were created long before the wonderful world of HD).

Yet on Blu Ray or broadcast in HD...they do.

Some of us realize that 35mm film (and some other film media) actually has as good as or better resolutions levels than today's HD, so conversion to HD should and does render super quality presentation. But most people don't know that.
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Posted 17 September 2012 - 06:49 AM

Most folks wouldn't expect 50-year-old movies to look so amazingly great (since they were created long before the wonderful world of HD).

Yet on Blu Ray or broadcast in HD...they do.

Some of us realize that 35mm film (and some other film media) actually has as good as or better resolutions levels than today's HD, so conversion to HD should and does render super quality presentation. But most people don't know that.


Much better. Not even close.
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Posted 17 September 2012 - 07:15 AM

Those are fair assessments.

I'm simply surprised at times how well these kinds of very old movies and programming can be broadcast in HD at times. Seeing Lawrence of Arabia on Blu Ray, for example, defies belief.


It doesn't really defy belief considering it comes from the original 35mm source. But old movies can indeed look stunning for sure when they do the digital conversion properly.
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Posted 17 September 2012 - 07:19 AM

Most folks wouldn't expect 50-year-old movies to look so amazingly great (since they were created long before the wonderful world of HD).

Yet on Blu Ray or broadcast in HD...they do.

Some of us realize that 35mm film (and some other film media) actually has as good as or better resolutions levels than today's HD, so conversion to HD should and does render super quality presentation. But most people don't know that.


There are several factors that determine how older movies look in HD. Director's intent, type of film used, Video Codec (VC-1, MPEG-2, MPEG-4 AVC), ect. Films like Casablanca, Ben Hur, The Magnificent Seven do look stunning in HD while others like Vera Cruz and The Dirty Dozen do not.

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 07:20 AM

Most folks wouldn't expect 50-year-old movies to look so amazingly great (since they were created long before the wonderful world of HD).

Yet on Blu Ray or broadcast in HD...they do.

Some of us realize that 35mm film (and some other film media) actually has as good as or better resolutions levels than today's HD, so conversion to HD should and does render super quality presentation. But most people don't know that.


You can't talk about "resolution" with 35mm film, because there is no resolution. Resolution is strictly a digital term and implies there is a finite amount of pixels.

They could probably make a very good looking 4kHD bluray as well from most 35mm films. It depends a little on the quality of the camera's used back in the day (your family movies are not going to look any better in HD) and the quality of the source film after decades of storage.
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Posted 17 September 2012 - 07:28 AM

You can't talk about "resolution" with 35mm film, because there is no resolution. Resolution is strictly a digital term and implies there is a finite amount of pixels.
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Posted 17 September 2012 - 07:50 AM

It doesn't really defy belief considering it comes from the original 35mm source. But old movies can indeed look stunning for sure when they do the digital conversion properly.


I am pretty sure Lawrence of Arabia was shot on 70 mm - not 35 mm. The distribution prints for the theaters were 35 mm, but the original is better than that. A bluray transfer should be outstanding.

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 07:57 AM

You can't talk about "resolution" with 35mm film, because there is no resolution. Resolution is strictly a digital term and implies there is a finite amount of pixels.


That is false.


You are both sort of correct. Film has grain, not pixels, and grain does limit resolution. On the other hand, the resolution of film made after about 1950 is so many times greater than the number of pixels on HD broadcast that the limitation is meaningless when it comes to bluray or 4kHD.

Also, the noise introduced by the grain of the film is analogue noise, which is much more plesant to view than digital noise.

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 08:02 AM

You can't talk about "resolution" with 35mm film, because there is no resolution. Resolution is strictly a digital term and implies there is a finite amount of pixels.

That is false.

Indeed. Wikipedia can be a friend:

Image resolution is an umbrella term that describes the detail an image holds. The term applies to raster digital images, film images, and other types of images. Higher resolution means more image detail.


I am pretty sure Lawrence of Arabia was shot on 70 mm - not 35 mm. The distribution prints for the theaters were 35 mm, but the original is better than that. A bluray transfer should be outstanding.

That is correct.

So going back to topic...if this channel was in HD....the presentation of at least some of the older content would appear quite nicely.
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Posted 17 September 2012 - 08:15 AM

I also guess it WOULD have been nice to have some programming info in the online/Android guide. Is there guide info available onscreen yet?

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 08:33 AM

I also guess it WOULD have been nice to have some programming info in the online/Android guide. Is there guide info available onscreen yet?


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Posted 17 September 2012 - 08:35 AM

Do yourself a favor, and record "The Great Buck Henry" on Wednesday at 23:30 ET. A really fine movie.


"The Great Buck Howard" airs this morning @ 10:30 PDT. I have it on R; thanks.
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Posted 17 September 2012 - 09:06 AM

Oooh, Lucky Luke! Used to love reading the comic albums when I was a kid.

Too bad it was all letter boxed from all angles.
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