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#26 OFFLINE   hdtvfan0001

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 05:55 AM

There are many here who feel that any stretching is undesirable.

As for any lo-rez picture that is letterboxed; I'd rather have that than too few pixels spread over too big screen real estate.

Those are fair assessments.

I'm simply surprised at times how well these kinds of very old movies and programming can be broadcast in HD at times. Seeing Lawrence of Arabia on Blu Ray, for example, defies belief.
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Posted 17 September 2012 - 06:38 AM

Those are fair assessments.

I'm simply surprised at times how well these kinds of very old movies and programming can be broadcast in HD at times. Seeing Lawrence of Arabia on Blu Ray, for example, defies belief.


Why does it defy belief?
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Posted 17 September 2012 - 06:41 AM

Why does it defy belief?

Most folks wouldn't expect 50-year-old movies to look so amazingly great (since they were created long before the wonderful world of HD).

Yet on Blu Ray or broadcast in HD...they do.

Some of us realize that 35mm film (and some other film media) actually has as good as or better resolutions levels than today's HD, so conversion to HD should and does render super quality presentation. But most people don't know that.
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#29 OFFLINE   Hoosier205

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 06:49 AM

Most folks wouldn't expect 50-year-old movies to look so amazingly great (since they were created long before the wonderful world of HD).

Yet on Blu Ray or broadcast in HD...they do.

Some of us realize that 35mm film (and some other film media) actually has as good as or better resolutions levels than today's HD, so conversion to HD should and does render super quality presentation. But most people don't know that.


Much better. Not even close.
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Posted 17 September 2012 - 07:15 AM

Those are fair assessments.

I'm simply surprised at times how well these kinds of very old movies and programming can be broadcast in HD at times. Seeing Lawrence of Arabia on Blu Ray, for example, defies belief.


It doesn't really defy belief considering it comes from the original 35mm source. But old movies can indeed look stunning for sure when they do the digital conversion properly.
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Posted 17 September 2012 - 07:19 AM

Most folks wouldn't expect 50-year-old movies to look so amazingly great (since they were created long before the wonderful world of HD).

Yet on Blu Ray or broadcast in HD...they do.

Some of us realize that 35mm film (and some other film media) actually has as good as or better resolutions levels than today's HD, so conversion to HD should and does render super quality presentation. But most people don't know that.


There are several factors that determine how older movies look in HD. Director's intent, type of film used, Video Codec (VC-1, MPEG-2, MPEG-4 AVC), ect. Films like Casablanca, Ben Hur, The Magnificent Seven do look stunning in HD while others like Vera Cruz and The Dirty Dozen do not.

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 07:20 AM

Most folks wouldn't expect 50-year-old movies to look so amazingly great (since they were created long before the wonderful world of HD).

Yet on Blu Ray or broadcast in HD...they do.

Some of us realize that 35mm film (and some other film media) actually has as good as or better resolutions levels than today's HD, so conversion to HD should and does render super quality presentation. But most people don't know that.


You can't talk about "resolution" with 35mm film, because there is no resolution. Resolution is strictly a digital term and implies there is a finite amount of pixels.

They could probably make a very good looking 4kHD bluray as well from most 35mm films. It depends a little on the quality of the camera's used back in the day (your family movies are not going to look any better in HD) and the quality of the source film after decades of storage.
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Posted 17 September 2012 - 07:28 AM

You can't talk about "resolution" with 35mm film, because there is no resolution. Resolution is strictly a digital term and implies there is a finite amount of pixels.
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Posted 17 September 2012 - 07:50 AM

It doesn't really defy belief considering it comes from the original 35mm source. But old movies can indeed look stunning for sure when they do the digital conversion properly.


I am pretty sure Lawrence of Arabia was shot on 70 mm - not 35 mm. The distribution prints for the theaters were 35 mm, but the original is better than that. A bluray transfer should be outstanding.

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 07:57 AM

You can't talk about "resolution" with 35mm film, because there is no resolution. Resolution is strictly a digital term and implies there is a finite amount of pixels.


That is false.


You are both sort of correct. Film has grain, not pixels, and grain does limit resolution. On the other hand, the resolution of film made after about 1950 is so many times greater than the number of pixels on HD broadcast that the limitation is meaningless when it comes to bluray or 4kHD.

Also, the noise introduced by the grain of the film is analogue noise, which is much more plesant to view than digital noise.

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 08:02 AM

You can't talk about "resolution" with 35mm film, because there is no resolution. Resolution is strictly a digital term and implies there is a finite amount of pixels.

That is false.

Indeed. Wikipedia can be a friend:

Image resolution is an umbrella term that describes the detail an image holds. The term applies to raster digital images, film images, and other types of images. Higher resolution means more image detail.


I am pretty sure Lawrence of Arabia was shot on 70 mm - not 35 mm. The distribution prints for the theaters were 35 mm, but the original is better than that. A bluray transfer should be outstanding.

That is correct.

So going back to topic...if this channel was in HD....the presentation of at least some of the older content would appear quite nicely.
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Posted 17 September 2012 - 08:15 AM

I also guess it WOULD have been nice to have some programming info in the online/Android guide. Is there guide info available onscreen yet?

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 08:33 AM

I also guess it WOULD have been nice to have some programming info in the online/Android guide. Is there guide info available onscreen yet?


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Posted 17 September 2012 - 08:35 AM

Do yourself a favor, and record "The Great Buck Henry" on Wednesday at 23:30 ET. A really fine movie.


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Posted 17 September 2012 - 09:06 AM

Oooh, Lucky Luke! Used to love reading the comic albums when I was a kid.

Too bad it was all letter boxed from all angles.
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Posted 17 September 2012 - 09:06 AM

I also guess it WOULD have been nice to have some programming info in the online/Android guide. Is there guide info available onscreen yet?


Yeah, you do have something called a "television", do you not? :D
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Posted 17 September 2012 - 09:22 AM

Yeah, you do have something called a "television", do you not? :D


Actually, no.

I'm at the office and wanted to set a remote recording.

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 10:57 AM

I am pretty sure Lawrence of Arabia was shot on 70 mm - not 35 mm. The distribution prints for the theaters were 35 mm, but the original is better than that. A bluray transfer should be outstanding.


You're correct. I remember a special 70mm presentation at a theater in Portland, OR back in the 1980's. The image quality remains the best I've EVER seen.

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 05:59 PM

Channel is a waste since it's SD only, imho. Especially a movie channel and I would be very interested in this channel too! I'm a HD snob and I'm proud to admit it!


I prefer an SD movie channel with no comercials than an HD channel full of comercials. I do not watch movies with comercials.

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 06:14 PM

I prefer an SD movie channel with no comercials than an HD channel full of comercials. I do not watch movies with comercials.


You're in a small minority here- not that there's anything wrong with that.

I record all movies and where necessary, spend the few seconds it takes to FF through interruptions. Although, some commercials I enjoy and will watch the second and third iterations of them.
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Posted 17 September 2012 - 06:19 PM

You're in a small minority here- not that there's anything wrong with that.

I record all movies and where necessary, spend the few seconds it takes to FF through interruptions. Although, some commercials I enjoy and will watch the second and third iterations of them.


Then i am in that minority too. Commercials on tv shows are fine. The show is written for commercials. Movies from theaters are not.

Besides, stations that put commercials in movies tend to edit for time or content as well.
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Posted 17 September 2012 - 07:13 PM

Besides, stations that put commercials in movies tend to edit for time or content as well.


As do stations (other than PBS, of course) offering BBC programs that fill an hour block in the UK but are truncated in the US by the addition of commercials.

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 08:21 PM

This looks like a good channel. Maybe HD will come later like they did with Disney Jr. First SD then HD.

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 08:23 PM

We don't even know if they have the ability to broadcast in HD.

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 08:31 PM

We don't even know if they have the ability to broadcast in HD.


Probably not at this point. They do 576i 16x9 in Europe. This is their first carrier in the US.

I'd still prefer 16x9 SD on directv over what we have now.. Not sure they can do it. I know they can via the OTA tuners but not sure about from the satellite.
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