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#26 OFFLINE   Garyunc

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 07:53 PM

I would wager that the op did not check 715, he just selected the game from game mix and of course it went to the local channel still carrying the first game.
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#27 OFFLINE   tonyd79

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 07:57 PM

I would wager that the op did not check 715, he just selected the game from game mix and of course it went to the local channel still carrying the first game.


Rereading his post, it looks like he is confused. He thought the first game would be moved off his local station to Sunday Ticket rather than the second game starting in Sunday ticket then shutting off there when it came on CBS.
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Posted 17 September 2012 - 08:21 PM

This is a directv problem. They are letting people watch the beginning of the late game. The trick is how to get there. It isn't that simple. I record the entire length of every game. 14 tuners. 49ers are my team. I tried everything last week to start viewing/recording the beginning of that win over Green Bay.

I preset a recording on the 7xx channel. It wouldn't go there. Once I saw the game on 702/game mix I again tried to tune to that channel. It kept searching and I gave up. I finally just watched that first 6 minutes on 702!

I never did try to tune to 71x from 702. Someone here said that did work. The method matters. I haven't found it yet. If the niners stay undefeated this will happen a lot this season. We need to figure out exactly how to unlock this blacked out feed. CBS has the double header this week. I'll try getting into the Raiders game early through game mix channel.

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 08:24 PM

I record the entire length of every game.


Wow...

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 08:46 PM

Of course I tried 715, I've had NFST for a decade now... The game in S Fla was NOT ON 715! Thus why I was ticked off. The game was locally on CBS.

D dropped the ball. I don't see how it was CBS, they gain nothing from holding the game off of 715. If you wanted to see the Jets game you turned to GM like I was forced to.

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 09:38 PM

I would wager that the op did not check 715


Of course I tried 715


Guess you lose that wager.

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 12:01 AM

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think this is how it works...
DIRECTV will open up the Sunday Ticket channel if games are overlapping. However, since CBS bought the rights to air the game DIRECTV must first get consent from CBS to open up the Jets game on the Sunday Ticket channel in the case of overlapping games.

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 02:13 AM

I got the ultimate screw job. My early game in the SF bay area was the Raiders/Dolphins game. Of course, CBS goes into bonus coverage of the Ravens/ Eagles game, which I can understand. What I can't understand is why in the hell they didn't start the Jets/Steelers game at 1:25 like they should have. They just left the Ravens/Eagles on like it was the only game remaining.

I wonder if this happened to everyone in the country that was scheduled to see the Jets/Steelers game in their market.

Shame on CBS for this screw up, and shame on Directv for not opening up 715 until the local switched to the Jets game. I, too, checked 715 several times hoping that the game would be on temporarily.

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 06:12 AM

bnwrx in Colorado got to see the Jets-Steelers on 715 until the early game was over then he had to switch to CBS. That is the way it's supposed to work and obviously they had permission to do so. It just didn't get implemented correctly in some viewing areas so that would have to be a Directv mistake.

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 11:26 AM

This is nothing new. There are always a few areas that end up getting screwed and they forget to open up the Sunday Ticket channel for the late game for them, but they manage to do it the right way for other areas. It makes no sense...we're paying a lot of money for this.

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 11:26 AM

Of course, CBS goes into bonus coverage of the Ravens/ Eagles game, which I can understand. What I can't understand is why in the hell they didn't start the Jets/Steelers game at 1:25 like they should have. They just left the Ravens/Eagles on like it was the only game remaining.


That's what they've almost always done in such situations, stay with a game until it ends (unless it's a huge blowout) -- they figure that people would prefer to see the end of a given game rather than the beginning of a different game.

The exception is...

I wonder if this happened to everyone in the country that was scheduled to see the Jets/Steelers game in their market.


...that they do switch to the beginning of the game in the "home markets" -- in this case, New York and Pittsburgh. That's an NFL rule requiring the networks to do that.
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Posted 18 September 2012 - 11:38 AM

FWIW, NY market did not get the 1PM game on CBS since the Giants were home on FOX. Since NY does not get many doubleheaders we are rarely affected. We will get the DH this week for the 1st time since the Jets are in Miami and the Giants play Thursday.

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 12:35 PM

This is nothing new. There are always a few areas that end up getting screwed and they forget to open up the Sunday Ticket channel for the late game for them, but they manage to do it the right way for other areas. It makes no sense...we're paying a lot of money for this.


I had the same issue as the OP in the Boston market. The people who were able to watch on the ST channel must have gotten consent (to Directv)from their local channel to allow it.

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 02:52 PM

I got the ultimate screw job. My early game in the SF bay area was the Raiders/Dolphins game. Of course, CBS goes into bonus coverage of the Ravens/ Eagles game, which I can understand. What I can't understand is why in the hell they didn't start the Jets/Steelers game at 1:25 like they should have. They just left the Ravens/Eagles on like it was the only game remaining.

I wonder if this happened to everyone in the country that was scheduled to see the Jets/Steelers game in their market.

Shame on CBS for this screw up, and shame on Directv for not opening up 715 until the local switched to the Jets game. I, too, checked 715 several times hoping that the game would be on temporarily.


This is one of the real maddening things. Come to think of it whenever I've had problems with Directv not opening up the ST channel when a game on my local affiliate is running over is when the game they were televising is over and they are showing bonus coverage until that game ends. Fox always says its leaving it's bonus coverage on their dh weeks when the next game starts. CBS doesn't seem to do that.

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 04:48 PM

I see a whole bunch of posts about how Directv needs explicit permission from the specific local affiliate to open up the national Sunday Ticket feed temporarily for a game. Does anyone actually know this or are people assuming?

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 07:01 PM

I see a whole bunch of posts about how Directv needs explicit permission from the specific local affiliate to open up the national Sunday Ticket feed temporarily for a game. Does anyone actually know this or are people assuming?


It's a pretty safe bet. If the broadcast rights are sold to CBS, FOX, or ESPN what right does DIRECTV to open up viewing with out consent? If consent was not needed then black out rules would never apply.

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 07:05 PM

When games run long, we lift the secondary market blackouts so NFL Sunday Ticket customers in those blacked out markets can see the start of the second game. The Ravens game ran long this week, and we did lift blackouts for the CBS late games at 4:22PM ET. Kickoff for the late games was at 4:25PM ET. We re-implemented the blackouts at 4:53PM ET for the Steelers game and 5:06PM ET for the Chargers game. Because this was a CBS doubleheader and they do not offer a bridge show, our broadcast starts at 4:25PM ET – right before kickoff. It’s possible that customers tuning in prior to that time thought they were blacked out because we were not on the air with game coverage yet. When FOX has a doubleheader, they start their broadcast at 4:00PM ET.

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 07:16 PM

When games run long, we lift the secondary market blackouts so NFL Sunday Ticket customers in those blacked out markets can see the start of the second game. The Ravens game ran long this week, and we did lift blackouts for the CBS late games at 4:22PM ET. Kickoff for the late games was at 4:25PM ET. We re-implemented the blackouts at 4:53PM ET for the Steelers game and 5:06PM ET for the Chargers game. Because this was a CBS doubleheader and they do not offer a bridge show, our broadcast starts at 4:25PM ET – right before kickoff. It’s possible that customers tuning in prior to that time thought they were blacked out because we were not on the air with game coverage yet. When FOX has a doubleheader, they start their broadcast at 4:00PM ET.

Does this help?


Yes but is there anything in the NFL and Directv deal that has anything at all to do with permissions from specific local affiliates as far as lifting blackouts like the ones described above? It seems to me reading your post that it's a blanket policy that covers the applicable markets, and not a "Directv got permission in market A but not B to lift the blackout on Sunday Ticket".

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 07:17 PM

There are obviously broadcast rules that must be followed to protect the rights of all involved.
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Posted 18 September 2012 - 07:29 PM

There are obviously broadcast rules that must be followed to protect the rights of all involved.


No, I get that. I'll give you a simple hypothetical:

CBS Orlando and CBS Miami are showing Titans@Falcons at 1. It runs late and is interfering with the scheduled Texans@Raiders game at 4:25. Should the blackout be temporary lifted on the Sunday Ticket channel (until the conclusion of Titans@Falcons on the local channel) for Texans@Raiders for both markets OR is there some rights/rules that would say Orlando gets the blackout lifted and Miami doesn't?

It seems post after post in this thread is implying one market will have the blackout lifted but another won't, even though it's the same broadcasting scenario in both markets. Is that the case? Thanks.

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 08:31 PM

Yes but is there anything in the NFL and Directv deal that has anything at all to do with permissions from specific local affiliates as far as lifting blackouts like the ones described above? It seems to me reading your post that it's a blanket policy that covers the applicable markets, and not a "Directv got permission in market A but not B to lift the blackout on Sunday Ticket".


There was a change to ST a couple/few (maybe more) years ago. You used to be able to watch the ST channel regardless. Local affiliates were complaining that they weren't getting the ad revenue they felt entitled to because people could watch "their' programming elsewhere.

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 08:36 PM

Of course I tried 715, I've had NFST for a decade now... The game in S Fla was NOT ON 715! Thus why I was ticked off. The game was locally on CBS.

D dropped the ball. I don't see how it was CBS, they gain nothing from holding the game off of 715. If you wanted to see the Jets game you turned to GM like I was forced to.

DIRECTV was trying to let you know that if you live in S Florida, you should be a Dolphins fan. ;)

I would be upset too if that actually happened to me. Although base on Satelliteracer's post, it sounds like you just checked too early and gave up.

When games run long, we lift the secondary market blackouts so NFL Sunday Ticket customers in those blacked out markets can see the start of the second game. ... ...Because this was a CBS doubleheader and they do not offer a bridge show, our broadcast starts at 4:25PM ET – right before kickoff. It’s possible that customers tuning in prior to that time thought they were blacked out because we were not on the air with game coverage yet. When FOX has a doubleheader, they start their broadcast at 4:00PM ET.

Does this help?


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Posted 18 September 2012 - 09:01 PM

Barring the OP contradicting this, that sounds right to me. I checked 715 for the Steelers-Jets game exactly at 3:25 central and it was blacked out. Then I went to the game mix channel where you could see it on the tiny screen. After about 3 or 4 plays, I checked again on 715 and it was on.

Although base on Satelliteracer's post, it sounds like you just checked too early and gave up.


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Posted 18 September 2012 - 09:44 PM

I'm wondering if anyone had 715 opened up temporarily who originally had an early game shown that actually ended on time. i.e., Directv maybe figured that since the early game in said markets was completed, they didn't have to open it up for them. Little did they realize that CBS decided to stay with the bonus coverage in said markets instead of switching to the late game scheduled.

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 06:52 AM

Instead of having somebody manually do this (and make some errors), couldn't they have an automatic 5pm eastern time blackout switch?

Or maybe have all 4:25 games in the clear until all the 1pm games are completed, then allow blackouts?




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