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#251 OFFLINE   WebTraveler

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 06:03 AM

Buster, it's about MORE than just football.


Should we close this thread and all Pac-12 with DirecTV discussion down?
Should we wait until August of 2013 before opening it back up?

There is no chance in hell that Pac-12 will get on DirecTV now until at least late August of 2013, when football season is about to get underway again next year.

Pac-12 sucks in basketball, and there are no true title implication games in Pac-12 regular season basketball.

It's moot to sit here and talk about this.
Keep a Pac-12 - Dish Network thread up, since Dish has it, but it's completely irrelevant now to have a thread about Pac-12 and DirecTV.

It's over.
The biggest football games on Pac-12 network have passed by.
The USC vs. Cal game (the biggest) is done.
The leverage (any leverage they had at all) for Pac-12 over DirecTV is finished.

Either Pac-12 caves in to DirecTV, or wait until August of 2013.
Your choice. But this thread is now officially meaningless.
DirecTV has chosen they'd rather lose a couple hundred thousand subs (200,000+), than to put Pac-12 on their lineup in the same way Dish Network and 40+ cable companies have.
Quite frankly, DirecTV has chosen to act like a binch in this whole process.



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Posted 24 September 2012 - 07:00 AM

Talked to family and this is my decision related to Pac12 Networks..

I am offended by the way Directv has handled the Pac12 networks. I am personally affected from some jack crack who argued with me at a Directv booth and threw a wadded piece of paper at my 6 year old daughter yelling he's been watching Pac12 NETWORK for 2 years.. Yes, we went back and forth about network and that this is new, etc.... He wouldn't listen to reason.

OK!! Yes I realize this is not what directv is about. A letter to Mike White and all I got was a short email sent from his IPAD saying he would look into it and thanks for bringing this to his attention.

1. If Dish gets AMC back before Directv gets Pac12, I'm GONE..
2. If Pac12 Comes to Directv, I'll stay until after the NFL season, then switch.

I am not convinced any longer that Directv has the best options.. I'm quite impressed with Dish and the Hopper that it might be time for a change.. If I'm wrong, well at least I tried it and can say I know from personal experience..

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 07:27 AM

I wouldn't expect amc back anytime soon with Dish network considering the history those two companies have with each other. Just like I would expect the pac 12 before this year is out either.

Talked to family and this is my decision related to Pac12 Networks..

I am offended by the way Directv has handled the Pac12 networks. I am personally affected from some jack crack who argued with me at a Directv booth and threw a wadded piece of paper at my 6 year old daughter yelling he's been watching Pac12 NETWORK for 2 years.. Yes, we went back and forth about network and that this is new, etc.... He wouldn't listen to reason.

OK!! Yes I realize this is not what directv is about. A letter to Mike White and all I got was a short email sent from his IPAD saying he would look into it and thanks for bringing this to his attention.

1. If Dish gets AMC back before Directv gets Pac12, I'm GONE..
2. If Pac12 Comes to Directv, I'll stay until after the NFL season, then switch.

I am not convinced any longer that Directv has the best options.. I'm quite impressed with Dish and the Hopper that it might be time for a change.. If I'm wrong, well at least I tried it and can say I know from personal experience..



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Posted 24 September 2012 - 07:55 AM

I wouldn't expect amc back anytime soon with Dish network considering the history those two companies have with each other. Just like I would expect the pac 12 before this year is out either.


With the court cases resuming today and all the things I'm reading, it sounds like Dish and AMC will probably settle real soon. My guess is within a month.

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 07:58 AM

Yes, but Dish will still be using HD-Lite as well. HD picture quality is a priority in my household.
DTV = Digital Television

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 08:02 AM

Yes, but Dish will still be using HD-Lite as well. HD picture quality is a priority in my household.


Not from what I've seen and heard... HD looks really good...

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 08:08 AM

Not from what I've seen and heard... HD looks really good...


They don't offer a single 1080i channel in its full resolution and use a compression scheme that is inferior to that of DirecTV.
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Posted 24 September 2012 - 08:09 AM

1. If Dish gets AMC back before Directv gets Pac12, I'm GONE..
2. If Pac12 Comes to Directv, I'll stay until after the NFL season, then switch.

Just curious, but why would you leave if D* gets Pac 12, isn't that what you want?

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 09:25 AM

They don't offer a single 1080i channel in its full resolution and use a compression scheme that is inferior to that of DirecTV.


hmm, I guess I need to do more investigating.. I too like good quality HD.. I'll get to the bottom of this and see if it makes a difference in my house..

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 09:31 AM

hmm, I guess I need to do more investigating.. I too like good quality HD.. I'll get to the bottom of this and see if it makes a difference in my house..


There's a difference and it's well documented here and other video sites. Is Dish HD bad? No, not at all. It's just slightly softer and 1080i channels aren't full resolution.
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Posted 24 September 2012 - 09:37 AM

Just curious, but why would you leave if D* gets Pac 12, isn't that what you want?


I think because of my personal experience with the Pac12 Networks and the booth guy, the hesitation and bickering back and forth from BOTH Directv and Pac12 and lastly the Hopper seems really cool. You can record ALL Prime time every night on 1 of 3 tuners.. but IF the HD Quality is really bad as Hoosier205 has pointed out, I may need to rethink this.. HMM. Good choices I guess..

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 09:52 AM

kick4fun, I appreciate the reasonableness of your stance here. This thread has exhibited the passion college football can bring out in people and you are trying to detach yourself from that. Congratulations. :righton:

I certainly don't know the details of your dealings with the DirecTV booth guy but it sounds like he needed to learn one of my favorite truisms as a salesman, and one of the few I wrote. Most I stole:

You can never win an argument with a customer.

Even if you win the argument, you lose the customer. It sounds like he lost both.

I have to admit it took me a couple of years as a neophyte salesman to learn the truth of this phrase. Again, I don't know the situation but could you write it off to his being young and stupid?
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Posted 24 September 2012 - 10:02 AM

kick4fun, I appreciate the reasonableness of your stance here. This thread has exhibited the passion college football can bring out in people and you are trying to detach yourself from that. Congratulations. :righton:

I certainly don't know the details of your dealings with the DirecTV booth guy but it sounds like he needed to learn one of my favorite truisms as a salesman, and one of the few I wrote. Most I stole:

You can never win an argument with a customer.

Even if you win the argument, you lose the customer. It sounds like he lost both.

I have to admit it took me a couple of years as a neophyte salesman to learn the truth of this phrase. Again, I don't know the situation but could you write it off to his being young and stupid?


My letter

Dear Ellen,
I have been a loyal DIRECTV customer for more than six years. I am
writing this letter to share a disturbing experience with a DIRECTV
employee over the weekend.

On Saturday, August 11th, I attended the Bohemian Nights festival in
downtown Fort Collins, Colorado. As you may be aware, this is a large
event with hundreds of booths and more than 100,000 attendees.
DIRECTV had two booths at this event. I stopped by one of your booths
(at Remington Street and Mountain Ave.) to inquire about the upcoming
Pac 12 networks and whether or not DIRECTV was planning on carrying
the PAC 12 networks.

When I asked one of your employees about the network, he immediately
took on a condescending attitude and told me he's been watching the
network for two years. I assumed there was a misunderstanding and
explained that the PAC 12 network was launching this week. He then
said, "what do I know, I'm just an employee". He also accused me of
calling him a liar. It culminated in him yelling at me to "get the
F... out of my booth.” At this point, I was very frustrated and did
indeed leave the booth, mostly shaking my head that he got so heated
because I questioned that perhaps he was uninformed about the PAC12
networks.

A few hours later I had to return to the festival to pick up my wife,
who was volunteering. I brought with me a printout about the PAC12
network, with the intent of giving him the correct information. When
I handed him the paper, he wadded it up and threw it at my six year
old daughter and shouted again for me to” get the F... out”.

This interaction was so clearly aggressive and inappropriate that it
scared my daughter and frankly me. His entire reaction was so out of
proportion to the situation that I left immediately in the interest of
safety for my family.
After this interaction I went to the DIRECTV booth located on Matthew
Street. I spoke to them about what had just occurred, they apologized
and said they were not affiliated with the first DIRECTV booth. They
also answered my questions about the PAC12 network. There was a stark
contrast of customer service between the two booths; I truly hope this
was an isolated incident.

Let me start by saying I love DIRECTV as a product and have no
intention of leaving, but this sort of customer service needs to be
addressed. Why would a hothead be representing DIRECTV like that?
Even if I was wrong about channel lineups and such, why not discuss
the issue with me rather than take a tone of defensiveness and anger?
I thought you would like to know there are people like the one
mentioned who are representing DIRECTV.

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 10:07 AM

kick4fun, I appreciate the reasonableness of your stance here. This thread has exhibited the passion college football can bring out in people and you are trying to detach yourself from that. Congratulations. :righton:

I certainly don't know the details of your dealings with the DirecTV booth guy but it sounds like he needed to learn one of my favorite truisms as a salesman, and one of the few I wrote. Most I stole:

You can never win an argument with a customer.

Even if you win the argument, you lose the customer. It sounds like he lost both.

I have to admit it took me a couple of years as a neophyte salesman to learn the truth of this phrase. Again, I don't know the situation but could you write it off to his being young and stupid?


Thank you... I have really tried to forget this incident and how that affects my decision with Pac12, but a little hard because of the mixed emotions.. I am trying by best to become detached and look at what both companies can offer from a reasonable stance.. I was very emotional in my earlier posts, but as this drags out further and I read all the gossip and the blogs, it becomes harder for me to stay with Direct if Dish has the one product I want the most, PAC12 Networks

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 10:10 AM

My letter

It culminated in him yelling at me to "get the
F... out of my booth.”

When I handed him the paper, he wadded it up and threw it at my six year
old daughter and shouted again for me to” get the F... out”.


Either you are exaggerating your letter, or you have a very twisted loyalty to DirecTV. If ANYONE, from ANY COMPANY would treat my 6 year old daughter that way, I would have stopped doing business with that company the SAME day. (Or realistically, as soon as their competitor finished setting up their service). NO ONE gets to treat my family in such a manner and get away with it. No channel, AMC or PAC12 would be more important than my family.
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Posted 24 September 2012 - 10:11 AM

Talked to family and this is my decision related to Pac12 Networks..

I am offended by the way Directv has handled the Pac12 networks. I am personally affected from some jack crack who argued with me at a Directv booth and threw a wadded piece of paper at my 6 year old daughter yelling he's been watching Pac12 NETWORK for 2 years.. Yes, we went back and forth about network and that this is new, etc.... He wouldn't listen to reason.

OK!! Yes I realize this is not what directv is about. A letter to Mike White and all I got was a short email sent from his IPAD saying he would look into it and thanks for bringing this to his attention.

1. If Dish gets AMC back before Directv gets Pac12, I'm GONE..
2. If Pac12 Comes to Directv, I'll stay until after the NFL season, then switch.

I am not convinced any longer that Directv has the best options.. I'm quite impressed with Dish and the Hopper that it might be time for a change.. If I'm wrong, well at least I tried it and can say I know from personal experience..


I have decided almost the same as you. I am just waiting and hoping Dish and AMC settle from the trial soon. I just have the feeling they will settle this week. The only difference for me is #2 and add #3. If Dish doesn't settle and get AMC back and Charter gets the Pac 12 network I'm gone. I also have a #3 which is after this season of Walking Dead and Dish doesn't have AMC or Charter doesn't have the Pac 12 Network I will switch to Dish anyway. I'm also pretty interested in the Hopper. I have been wanting to get a third HD DVR for my daughter with my wife and daughter really wanting it. I just didn't want to get a longer contract on Directv unless they got the Pac 12 Network and with the Hopper I can add the third TV with the Dish and make everyone happy. I'm pretty picky HD guy and always look for the best HDTV I can afford and went last week to friends house to watch the Ducks on Dish (Pac 12 Network) and we watched some other shows afterwards and it looked damn good to me. He did have a top of line Pioneer plasma from a few years ago but still the source looked good. I wouldn't worry about Dish's HD unless you are really really picky. I doubt you will even notice the difference if there is any.

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 10:20 AM

Either you are exaggerating your letter, or you have a very twisted loyalty to DirecTV. If ANYONE, from ANY COMPANY would treat my 6 year old daughter that way, I would have stopped doing business with that company the SAME day. (Or realistically, as soon as their competitor finished setting up their service). NO ONE gets to treat my family in such a manner and get away with it. No channel, AMC or PAC12 would be more important than my family.


Wasn't an exaggeration unfortunately.. I have studied martial arts for a long time thus my name, KICK4FUN.. The hardest thing for me was to walk away.. I had one lady who grabbed me and told me to think of my children.. I thought the best way to handle this was to write a letter, which I did.. I got a response my Mike White, but very short.. I really tried to think this was an isolated incident and hoped by this point I would have heard more. I really tried to stay unemotional, but this has dragged out far too long..

I agree that family is important, that is why I didn't belt the guy and go to jail over the incident.. The cost of cancelling service over some jack crack who I know is isolated, wasn't worth it to me.. I took my chances of staying, now I am confronted with the possibility of changing.

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 10:21 AM

They posted on Facebook the other day that Pac 12 was playing hardball. Yea, hardball by offering the SAME deal that their competitors were offered! Imagine that.


If you are buying 20 bottles of wine instead of 14 bottles of wine, wouldn't you approach the wine salesman and say.... hey, I am buying bulk, can I get a discount?

There is a difference in negotiating for 20 million subscribers (and 98% of sportsbars) and 14 million subscribers.

Dish lost AMC, so they don't have to pay them anymore. They also don't pay for NYC area sports network.... so they may simply have a little more room in their budget (they didn't increase their price this year either) to pay for PAC12, whereas DirecTV's numbers may be a lot tighter.

I mean, if my neighbor goes to a dealer and buys a car for $20k, and I go to the same dealer the next day and tell them: I will pay $19k, not a penny more.... the car dealer isn't going to say: "no deal, because your neighbor paid $20k". No, we are going to negotiate, and maybe come to $19.5k in the end, and I will walk away satisfied knowing I saved $500.

That's DirecTV. They don't feel the obligation to pay what others pay. They negotiate a deal that works for them, and will not buy until it gets close to the number they are thinking.
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Posted 24 September 2012 - 10:24 AM

Buster, it's about MORE than just football.


I agree 100%! In my area water polo is VERY popular just about every High Schoool plays it and most kids start around age 10-12 playing on leagues in between their swimming seasons. I would love to be watching Water Polo, women's soccer, and even some of the volleyball.

Yes football rules in many ways, but add in the 150 basketball games coming up that's also something many would like to see. So I wouldn't say "it's over." Keep telling D* you want the channel and pressuring them.

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 10:36 AM

I have decided almost the same as you. I am just waiting and hoping Dish and AMC settle from the trial soon. I just have the feeling they will settle this week. The only difference for me is #2 and add #3. If Dish doesn't settle and get AMC back and Charter gets the Pac 12 network I'm gone. I also have a #3 which is after this season of Walking Dead and Dish doesn't have AMC or Charter doesn't have the Pac 12 Network I will switch to Dish anyway. I'm also pretty interested in the Hopper. I have been wanting to get a third HD DVR for my daughter with my wife and daughter really wanting it. I just didn't want to get a longer contract on Directv unless they got the Pac 12 Network and with the Hopper I can add the third TV with the Dish and make everyone happy. I'm pretty picky HD guy and always look for the best HDTV I can afford and went last week to friends house to watch the Ducks on Dish (Pac 12 Network) and we watched some other shows afterwards and it looked damn good to me. He did have a top of line Pioneer plasma from a few years ago but still the source looked good. I wouldn't worry about Dish's HD unless you are really really picky. I doubt you will even notice the difference if there is any.


Thanks for the Update on the HD.. I have all Samsungs, with the family tv as the 52 inch Plasma.. I have heard the same about being very close to Directv in HD Quality.. And on top of all the PAC12 games being in HD, they have SRS True Volume.. WOW.. No more really loud commercials.

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 10:53 AM

Dear Ellen...

What an a-hole. I wouldn't blame you if you left DirecTV permanently over this.

Funny it happened in Fort Collins. That's where I had my first job selling stereos. It was at Team Electronics from the summer of 1976 through the fall of 1977, and where I learned my craft, including (1) never lie to a customer, (2) never argue with a customer. I tried both at that store, failing most every time.

Team Electronics is long since gone but it was at 107 S. College Ave. in downtown Ft. Collins, above the Catacombs if that bar is still there. Amazingly, I found a picture of the store online, the site of my first full time, out on my own job after college.

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 01:03 PM

Great pic. My first job in consumer electronics of any kind was a video rental store called "Video Revolution" off highway 28. They're long gone. According to Google it's a law office now.
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Posted 24 September 2012 - 02:13 PM

What an a-hole. I wouldn't blame you if you left DirecTV permanently over this.

Funny it happened in Fort Collins. That's where I had my first job selling stereos. It was at Team Electronics from the summer of 1976 through the fall of 1977, and where I learned my craft, including (1) never lie to a customer, (2) never argue with a customer. I tried both at that store, failing most every time.

Team Electronics is long since gone but it was at 107 S. College Ave. in downtown Ft. Collins, above the Catacombs if that bar is still there. Amazingly, I found a picture of the store online, the site of my first full time, out on my own job after college.

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That's great.. I've only lived in Fort Collins for about a year, but this is gorgeous out here.. No one else knows this, I'm sure you do, but Disneyland was modeled after Old Town, in Fort Collins CO. Thanks for the nice replies..

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 02:41 PM

image-3632689197.jpg . This is how the streaming worked using Xfinity's website on my laptop using HDMI out. Pretty good quality but like most streaming it did buffer a few times and slow down.

It works, but would be much better if DirecTV added the network.

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 02:44 PM

[ATTACH]30078[/ATTACH]. This is how the streaming worked using Xfinity's website on my laptop using HDMI out. Pretty good quality but like most streaming it did buffer a few times and slow down.

It works, but would be much better if DirecTV added the network.


Agreed. The streaming looks good, but would be better on the satellite.




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