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#351 OFFLINE   Mariah2014

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 08:28 AM

RSN rights were bought before the network started up so they could air those games when the network went live. Even directv received money for the rights they had in the northwest and Rocky mountain regions on Root Sports.

Does anyone know if either party has asked for or suggested at least that the Pac-12 Regional channels get put up as RSN's only? Just like the all the other RSN's out there.
Forget about the National feed right now.
I know these are School specific channels for each region (OSU/UofO in OR, WSU/UofW in WA, etc) but at least those fans in the regions where they lost their RSN feed of these games (ROOT NW in OR and WA) can watch them again, and anyone who wants all the games can purchase the sports pack.

What does the National feed supply that someone with the sports pack wouldn't get? What does the National feed supply that a RSN wouldn't 'essentially' supply?

If I'm understanding what Pac12 wants, its that they want all 7 channels on a basic teir, I'd love that. But how can that fly? I agree with DirecTV here, some people don't want to pay for me to watch my team. (I do take donations though) ;)

Just give us back what we used to have; our local (regional) team on our RSN!

I know this will be an upgrade for us in Oregon and Washington who shared 1 channel for 4 teams, and down south in California you may not live in your school's zone, but at least you get to watch some Pac12 football!

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 08:30 AM

Speaking of the UW/Stanford game, UW winning pretty much knocks out Stanford from the BCS title. That's another plus for DirecTV, unfortunately. Looks like it's down to Oregon and Oregon State for national title implications. So far, Oregon's next 3 games are on national channels (ESPN & ESPN2). OSU/Arizona & OSU/WSU are on the P12 network this week & next with no others set, yet.


Well, although I am a Beaver (and a Sun Devil) I would absolutely love it if the Beavers were in the national title hunt.....but I think it's way too early to be even mentioning that. We're 2-0 and had multiple weeks to prepare. I am not even ready to even be thinking that. Hey, if we make it to a bowl game fans will be thrilled after the past few years.

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 08:33 AM

I am sure everything has been discussed.....no way, however, that Directv is going to get a wholly different deal than any other provider. It's not going to happen. In time the Pac 12 loyal will drop Directv and life will go on. Whether that causes Directv to reverse course I have no idea. But for now they drew the line in the sand and Pac 12 has nothing to talk to them about.

How sad really. Directv was a sports leader. When a provider starts telling me that I really don't need the Pac 12 Network then that line has been drawn.


Does anyone know if either party has asked for or suggested at least that the Pac-12 Regional channels get put up as RSN's only? Just like the all the other RSN's out there.
Forget about the National feed right now.
I know these are School specific channels for each region (OSU/UofO in OR, WSU/UofW in WA, etc) but at least those fans in the regions where they lost their RSN feed of these games (ROOT NW in OR and WA) can watch them again, and anyone who wants all the games can purchase the sports pack.

What does the National feed supply that someone with the sports pack wouldn't get? What does the National feed supply that a RSN wouldn't 'essentially' supply?

If I'm understanding what Pac12 wants, its that they want all 7 channels on a basic teir, I'd love that. But how can that fly? I agree with DirecTV here, some people don't want to pay for me to watch my team. (I do take donations though) ;)

Just give us back what we used to have; our local (regional) team on our RSN!

I know this will be an upgrade for us in Oregon and Washington who shared 1 channel for 4 teams, and down south in California you may not live in your school's zone, but at least you get to watch some Pac12 football!

argh!!:mad:



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Posted 28 September 2012 - 08:47 AM

RSN rights were bought before the network started up so they could air those games when the network went live. Even directv received money for the rights they had in the northwest and Rocky mountain regions on Root Sports.



I didn't know that, but it still doesn't change anything, if anything, I suppose I'm due some of that money that was paid for those rights, since my bill didn't drop because of that change.

But, I don't think it changes my point. Make a deal with Pac-12 Regionals!

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 08:56 AM

I am sure everything has been discussed.....no way, however, that Directv is going to get a wholly different deal than any other provider. It's not going to happen. In time the Pac 12 loyal will drop Directv and life will go on. Whether that causes Directv to reverse course I have no idea. But for now they drew the line in the sand and Pac 12 has nothing to talk to them about.

How sad really. Directv was a sports leader. When a provider starts telling me that I really don't need the Pac 12 Network then that line has been drawn.


My feelings doubled.. One can make the case all they want about how Directv is making sound decisions by not caving into the Pac12 demands, but when I see the other carriers grabbing it and feel insulted, I bolt.. It's quite alright. I'm happy to give my business to a provider that wants to carry Pac12 because I feel every game and every moment is priceless. Sure there are some fun upsets this year already, why miss out on that...

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 10:23 AM

Great.. If that's their stance, I will go ahead and schedule my DISH install for next weekend... I'll miss my Sunday Ticket, but I guess I'll watch my team via the Redzone.. :)


Enjoy watching your ESPNU games in SD.

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 10:25 AM

Enjoy watching your ESPNU games in SD.


I never watch that channel, but I am really excited to start watching Pac12 Networks in less than an hour.. WAHOO :goodjob:

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 10:32 AM

I never watch that channel, but I am really excited to start watching Pac12 Networks in less than an hour.. WAHOO :goodjob:


There are quite a few Pac-12 men's basketball games that are scheduled to air on ESPNU.

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 10:36 AM

There are quite a few Pac-12 men's basketball games that are scheduled to air on ESPNU.


I would venture to say more will be on regular ESPN and also FX.. Maybe this whole thing is a gamble, but I'm guessing that Pac12 Networks may show a lot of Basketball games.

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 10:58 AM

I would venture to say more will be on regular ESPN and also FX.. Maybe this whole thing is a gamble, but I'm guessing that Pac12 Networks may show a lot of Basketball games.


The TV schedules are available now, so there is no need to guess. All 12 teams have at least two appearances on ESPNU and most have four or more. WSU has 24 games on Pac-12 Networks while UCLA has only 14.

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 11:24 AM

The TV schedules are available now, so there is no need to guess. All 12 teams have at least two appearances on ESPNU and most have four or more. WSU has 24 games on Pac-12 Networks while UCLA has only 14.


Link please sir? I'd like to see Arizona's schedule.
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Posted 28 September 2012 - 11:25 AM

Enjoy watching your ESPNU games in SD.


Since many more games that I want to watch are on Pac 12 Network versus ESPNU I think I still come out ahead. And even if there is a game I want to see I still have the Pac 12....so you know what? I could care less!

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 11:27 AM

http://www.arizonawi...skbl-sched.html
At least 11 games on pac 12 neworks plus some of the tournament games from the pac 12 tournament will be pac 12 network bound too.

Link please sir? I'd like to see Arizona's schedule.



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Posted 28 September 2012 - 11:30 AM

Link please sir? I'd like to see Arizona's schedule.


http://www.arizonawi...skbl-sched.html


Or go to pac-12.com and click on Schedule & Results and choose school and sport and see the whole schedule including TV network without having to click on each game.

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 11:34 AM

Schedule is not complete tv wise there and you have narrow it down to what you want as well. Pac 12 is slow at updating that schedule.

Or go to pac-12.com and click on Schedule & Results and choose school and sport and see the whole schedule including TV network without having to click on each game.



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Posted 28 September 2012 - 11:38 AM

Schedule is not complete tv wise there and you have narrow it down to what you want as well. Pac 12 is slow at updating that schedule.


I just hate that they built a table for the schedule but didn't put a column for TV network.

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 11:39 AM

Or go to pac-12.com and click on Schedule & Results and choose school and sport and see the whole schedule including TV network without having to click on each game.


Thanks - I also found this for those interested:

The Pac-12 men’s basketball package includes 150 games aired on the Pac-12 Networks, 47 on ESPN/ESPN2/ESPNU (including the Pac-12 Tournament championship game on ESPN), 22 games on FSN, and two nationally on CBS. Additional appearances will be made through other conference television agreements and various in-season tournaments.


Full schedule and article: http://pac-12.com/Sp...V-schedule.aspx
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Posted 28 September 2012 - 11:56 AM

Thanks - I also found this for those interested:


Full schedule and article: http://pac-12.com/Sp...V-schedule.aspx


I counted 30 on ESPNU and 150 on Pac 12 Network.

Stay w/Directv and 30 in HD on ESPNU and none on Pac 12 Network.

Go to Dish and get 150 in HD on Pac 12 Network and 30 in SD on ESPNU (plus all the other games).

none of the options is perfect...but at least those 30 I can at least see the game!!!! if Directv gave me SD it would a start, but they don't. So I can get 30 of 180 with Directv and 180 of 180 w/Dish, albeit 30 in SD. But watch some of those ESPNU games will migrate to ESPN or ESPN2 by the time they get on there.....

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 12:00 PM

Does anyone have a link to refer to that states what the "similar offer" is that Pac12 is offering DirecTV?

I found this for Dish.
http://www.dailynews...c-12-television
"Dish has put the Pac-12 channels on its America's Top 120+ package and above for customers who live in the six states with a conference school. It's available nationwide in the Multi-Sport Pack for $9 per month."


So for That offer to be "similar" DirecTV would put the Regional Channels and National on Choice extra and above?
Would it be all the regional channels or just the local RSN?
Would someone who lives in Virginia have to add the sports pack to get all 7? or will the National be in Choice Extra and above and the 6 in the sports pack?


If I'm thinking about this correctly, really the hang up is on Pac-12 National being outside of the Sports Pack and in a basic tier? This is really frustrating.

I can't tell what similar is :confused: :nono: :confused:

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 12:01 PM

http://blogs.mercury...nd-other-notes/

Since then, I’ve followed up with industry contacts and become even more convinced that a summertime shakeup in DTV’s corporate structure played a central role in the negotiations going sideways just before the season.


and for those with charter.

But I get the distinct sense that Charter, at the very least, is following DTV’s lead.

Which leads me to believe that could have been why they never picked up csn nw either.

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 12:05 PM

The TV schedules are available now, so there is no need to guess. All 12 teams have at least two appearances on ESPNU and most have four or more. WSU has 24 games on Pac-12 Networks while UCLA has only 14.


24 sounds good to me.. all in HD

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 12:15 PM

Ok, watching the Pac12 SD feed of the OSU and Stanford soccer match.. Looks good to me.. ! The WSU soccer game starts in 45 minutes in HD. LOVE THE PAC12!!!

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 12:25 PM

I counted 30 on ESPNU and 150 on Pac 12 Network.

Stay w/Directv and 30 in HD on ESPNU and none on Pac 12 Network.

Go to Dish and get 150 in HD on Pac 12 Network and 30 in SD on ESPNU (plus all the other games).

none of the options is perfect...but at least those 30 I can at least see the game!!!! if Directv gave me SD it would a start, but they don't. So I can get 30 of 180 with Directv and 180 of 180 w/Dish, albeit 30 in SD. But watch some of those ESPNU games will migrate to ESPN or ESPN2 by the time they get on there.....

Please understand I wasn't trying to sway you or anyone either way. I've had conversations with kicks4fun and he'll tell you I support those switching for the P12 Network. It's your money to give to a company that will give you what you want.
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Posted 28 September 2012 - 12:29 PM

Please understand I wasn't trying to sway you or anyone either way. I've had conversations with kicks4fun and he'll tell you I support those switching for the P12 Network. It's your money to give to a company that will give you what you want.


I concur, you have really been supportive of those who want to switch.. That being said, after hearing all the bad things of quality on DISH etc, the SD looks really good and the HD is about the same.. I'm watching Pac12 right now and love it! Fort those who stay with Directv, that's cool too.. Bottom line, get what you need and want. Fort me, the Pac12 is very important..

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 12:53 PM

Field hockey will be live on Dish network as well. Pac 12 bay area feed of that game is on an alternate station and in HD no less.




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