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#401 OFFLINE   Laxguy

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Posted 30 September 2012 - 11:51 AM

I love this Pac12 thing.



Finally! At last you've admitted your passion.....

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Posted 30 September 2012 - 01:09 PM

For the second time in four weeks the P12Net had the better nightcap over ESPN (AZ vs OSU x 2). It's too bad for those football junkies that were in sports bars, or like to jump to the trending game, not to mention those that wanted to watch the game and couldn't. Half the P12 is currently ranked and there will be some great match-ups in the upcoming weeks. Not to mention the other great sports they're broadcasting.

Nevertheless, I'm sure some of the primary defenders of the faith will be here shortly, with their usual talking points, once again dissing the P12Net while praising DTV for not sending them and their fanboy co. into economic ruin. Funny we never hear them talk about the B1G network, which is forced on nearly everyone, let alone the dozens, if not hundreds, of additional channels that we're all forced to supplement, whether we want them or not.

Being that the P12Net is on four of the five largest carriers, you have to wonder about the direction the sports leader is currently headed in. If DTV doesn't carry the new Lakers RSN, which I don't believe they will due to cost, it will be interesting to see how much of a shift toward TWC there is in the Los Angeles market, which, of course, was TWC's plan all along. It's going to be interesting to see how things shake out over the next 3-6 months.

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Posted 30 September 2012 - 01:46 PM

Finally! At last you've admitted your passion.....

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LOL.. Because it wasn't obvious before??.. :)

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Posted 01 October 2012 - 07:46 AM

For clarification:

What DISH has is the national feed on channel 413 with a HD feed (also on 413) that is used for selected events. It is not a 24/7 national feed (although there is a lot more in HD on PAC 12 than on any other DISH RSN other than Big10).

The alternate channels for PAC-12 are on channels 5453-5460 ... four SD feeds and four HD feeds. As I write this "WSOC: USC at Arizona St." and "WSOC: Oregon at Cal" are on the alts and "WSOC: Washington at Colorado" is on 413. (At 9pm ET/6pm CT there are three different volleyball matches, one on main and two on alts.)

Is there another game in progress that is being missed?

The "national" plus six regional mix feeds are designed for cable. The national feed will carry the most important games while the regionals will branch off to carry other games of interest to that region. Perhaps "down the road" there will be more variety on the seven channels but for now, PAC12 does not have enough conflicting content to put something different on all seven channels. A national feed and alts carries all the broadcast content they have.


James - Thanks for the update. I'm just really disappointed that a deal hasn't been made yet. Now (this week) its going to get worse, because both will think they have the upper hand because there are 6 pac-12 teams in the top 25 (maybe a couple too many).

Edited by woj027, 01 October 2012 - 08:33 AM.
6 not 5 (still 2 too many)


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Posted 01 October 2012 - 07:47 AM

Anyone have any insight as to how advertisers might be responding to the Pac-12 about not being seen nationally in sports bars and the like?

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Posted 01 October 2012 - 08:01 AM

James - Thanks for the update. I'm just really disappointed that a deal hasn't been made yet. Now (this week) its going to get worse, because both will think they have the upper hand because there are 5 pac-12 teams in the top 25 (maybe a couple too many).


There are 6 now.. :) http://espn.go.com/c...otball/rankings

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Posted 01 October 2012 - 08:34 AM

There are 6 now.. :) http://espn.go.com/c...otball/rankings


Thanks.. Only 4 in the USA Today.


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Posted 01 October 2012 - 08:40 AM

There are 6 now.. :) http://espn.go.com/c...otball/rankings


It depends on the poll.
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Posted 01 October 2012 - 09:32 AM

It's really time for D* to make a deal. Both the games this week feature ranked teams, UCLA @ Cal & WSU @ OSU.
Looking ahead to basketball, the PAC-12 Net will be carrying 11 games the first weekend of the season beginning Nov. 9.

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Posted 01 October 2012 - 09:42 AM

It depends on the poll.


your right, but the AP poll holds a lot of weight (When factoring the BCS stuff).. Isn't this the first year we have playoffs or is it next year?

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Posted 01 October 2012 - 09:43 AM

your right, but the AP poll holds a lot of weight (When factoring the BCS stuff).. Isn't this the first year we have playoffs or is it next year?


2014 I thought.
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Posted 02 October 2012 - 09:32 AM

Field hockey will be live on Dish network as well. Pac 12 bay area feed of that game is on an alternate station and in HD no less.


At least if DirecTV ever signs a deal that is similar to Dish, I can watch some of it. :)

I'm not switching to Dish for it though, it's simply not that important to me. That said, I am getting more and more convinced that PAC12 will not be on DirecTV this season.
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Posted 02 October 2012 - 09:35 AM

2014 I thought.


Yes, 2014. The schedules for 2013/2014 are finalized by the end of 2012. That is.... the times, the stadiums, and the teams - not the TV schedules.

The schedules for 2012/2013 were finalized by late 2011, the decision for a playoff wasn't done till early 2012.
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Posted 02 October 2012 - 12:08 PM

Like other posters have said, I too have lost faith in DirecTV adding Pac12 Networks anytime soon. Come Jan I will be shopping around to see what else is out there, once my Sunday Ticket is done this year (which I had already paid for) I don't have anything holding me to DirecTV.

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Posted 02 October 2012 - 12:45 PM

Like other posters have said, I too have lost faith in DirecTV adding Pac12 Networks anytime soon. Come Jan I will be shopping around to see what else is out there, once my Sunday Ticket is done this year (which I had already paid for) I don't have anything holding me to DirecTV.


Honestly, I am pleasantly surprised how much I like the Hopper and Dish. That said, more importantly I can watch all the Pac12 games in HD and very good coverage.. I agree that I don't see Pac12 and Directv forming any sort of relationship any time soon. Some have mentioned that there will be some basketball games on ESPNU, but a good majority on the Pac12 Networks. Good Luck!

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Posted 02 October 2012 - 12:54 PM

fingers crossed for deal soon!

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 10:55 AM

(That fair deal is supposedly the rumored 90 cents per subscriber that fits right down the line with the other big college sports conference network, the BTN).


That "fair deal"?? Almost a buck?? Do you have some interest in Pac12 besides being a fan?

What is the source of your info re the Big Ten?
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Posted 08 October 2012 - 11:01 AM

That "fair deal"?? Almost a buck?? Do you have some interest in Pac12 besides being a fan?

What is the source of your info re the Big Ten?


That was taken from the link...
http://www.pacificta...ctv-larry-scott

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 11:51 AM

Pac12 is doing what the Big10 and SEC have been doing for awhile.. The payoff they get from Fox and ESPN have raised enough money for the schools to re-invest in their athletic facilities.


With that kind of philosophy, maybe we'll all "get lucky" and our kids sports teams will decide to sell tickets to games and shut out parents from getting them if they don't get their demands met for equipment and profits.

Nobody is giving kudos to the Big Ten or the SEC for their big money wins. True, the conferences would be irresponsible not to obtain funding for tv rights. But obtaining funding and generating billions, and forcing blackouts if financial goals aren't met, means Larry Scott has lost all perspective, and needs to wander off to professional sports where there are no publicly funded institutions depending on him to provide access to everybody.

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 12:11 PM

With that kind of philosophy, maybe we'll all "get lucky" and our kids sports teams will decide to sell tickets to games and shut out parents from getting them if they don't get their demands met for equipment and profits.

Nobody is giving kudos to the Big Ten or the SEC for their big money wins. True, the conferences would be irresponsible not to obtain funding for tv rights. But obtaining funding and generating billions, and forcing blackouts if financial goals aren't met, means Larry Scott has lost all perspective, and needs to wander off to professional sports where there are no publicly funded institutions depending on him to provide access to everybody.


Forcing blackouts? Please rethink that because that's just not true. Its available to other providers.
To answer your other statement about public institutions.. These universities receive less and less money from public funds, ie tax dollars. The idea of having public institutions is to create an opportunity for students to receive an education. This had nothing to do with athletics. The scope of university athletics has changed so much in the last 20 years. It would be crazy for Larry Scott to give the product away, thus he has an amount he thinks will pay for his broadcast as well as staying competitive. If Directv doesn't like the demands, well so be it. If you want to petition, do so with Directv as well.

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 02:51 PM

With that kind of philosophy, maybe we'll all "get lucky" and our kids sports teams will decide to sell tickets to games and shut out parents from getting them if they don't get their demands met for equipment and profits.

Nobody is giving kudos to the Big Ten or the SEC for their big money wins. True, the conferences would be irresponsible not to obtain funding for tv rights. But obtaining funding and generating billions, and forcing blackouts if financial goals aren't met, means Larry Scott has lost all perspective, and needs to wander off to professional sports where there are no publicly funded institutions depending on him to provide access to everybody.


You obviously have an issue with Larry Scott, but Larry Scott is doing exactly what the schools wanted him to do. Go out and get a better deal for them to help support all their athletic programs. It's exactly what the B1G10 and SEC do. You're request to sign an online petition won't accomplish much....remember 4 of the 5 largest providers already have Pac 12. Where I live every major provider besides DirecTV, ATT Uverse, and Suddenlink already carry the channel. Of that list, only DirecTV has any real customer #s to matter. There have been many posts about the cost per sub that Pac12 has asked for, if you find that's unfair that's fine.

FYI-Suddenlink is a member of the NTCT so I am sure if they want to carry the channel everything is already in place, as other members are carrying the Pac12 Network becuase the Pac12 Network signed a deal with their group.

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 04:02 PM

Nobody is giving kudos to the Big Ten or the SEC for their big money wins. True, the conferences would be irresponsible not to obtain funding for tv rights. But obtaining funding and generating billions, and forcing blackouts if financial goals aren't met, means Larry Scott has lost all perspective, and needs to wander off to professional sports where there are no publicly funded institutions depending on him to provide access to everybody.


Preposterous.

Larry Scott's mandate is to get at least as good a deal for the Pac12 as the Big10. And if the carriers resist, I say, hold out.

I also ask, how is ND a 9-pt favorite over the Cardinal?
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Posted 08 October 2012 - 04:14 PM

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 03:21 PM

Pac12 Networks lands another carrier, just not Directv..

http://www.dtvusafor...o-deal-yet.html

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 03:39 PM

That was taken from the link...
http://www.pacificta...ctv-larry-scott


Ah, so a Pac12 website is the one describing Scott's wants as "a fair deal". And saying "rumored" 90 cents.

Have you any connection with the Pac12 besides that of a fan or an alumnus?
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