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#26 OFFLINE   kick4fun

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 09:37 AM

It only goes to prove that if you want pac 12 sports beyond the national networks you will be waiting awhile if you only have Directv.


Or you have a relative or friend (Like I do) who gives you their cable password to watch streaming.. That happened a couple of weeks ago, I streamed my laptop to the tv and we had a viewing party.. It looked pretty good, only once every quarter i had to refresh.. Not really a big deal.

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 09:45 AM

Other places stream too, but not nearly as good of a quality as that which comes from league and funny thing is those who are doing that have been using the online feed to do it from too.

Or you have a relative or friend (Like I do) who gives you their cable password to watch streaming.. That happened a couple of weeks ago, I streamed my laptop to the tv and we had a viewing party.. It looked pretty good, only once every quarter i had to refresh.. Not really a big deal.



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Posted 19 September 2012 - 10:21 AM

I've concluded that Larry Scott is dishonest when it comes to dealing with media over carriage of Pac-12 network. Lies, lies, lies.

Edited by Laxguy, 19 September 2012 - 12:06 PM.

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 10:35 AM

I've concluded that Larry Scott is a complete dick. Lies, lies, lies.


I disagree and think Mike White is full of it

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 10:43 AM

I've concluded that Larry Scott is a complete dick. Lies, lies, lies.


He has seemingly made the Pac12 relevant with the contracts he got through ESPN and such.. Each school gets $30 Million a year, that's without DISH, Comcast and others. ..

Am I mad that the Directv thing didn't work out, you bet. Overall a much better commissioner than our previous one. Without his work, the Pac10 would not have expanded to 12 and WSU along with some of the other schools would not even be on the same page as the Bigger Pac12 schools like USC etc...

Not sure why name calling is necessary.

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 11:21 AM

He has seemingly made the Pac12 relevant with the contracts he got through ESPN and such.. Each school gets $30 Million a year, that's without DISH, Comcast and others. ..

Am I mad that the Directv thing didn't work out, you bet. Overall a much better commissioner than our previous one. Without his work, the Pac10 would not have expanded to 12 and WSU along with some of the other schools would not even be on the same page as the Bigger Pac12 schools like USC etc...

Not sure why name calling is necessary.


Agree with you 100%. I give him major credit for being out front and talking at games and answering questions.

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 12:06 PM

Right you are. Name calling not cool here; my bad. Edited post.
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Posted 19 September 2012 - 12:32 PM

I've concluded that Larry Scott is dishonest when it comes to dealing with media over carriage of Pac-12 network. Lies, lies, lies.


What makes you think that I am curious? I read all the quotes from Saturday at the Stanford/USC game and he said then he didn't think a deal wtih D* would be worked out but was overall happy with their deals in place with Dish, TWC, Comcast etc.

There is blame to be laid at both sides, but much of the initial info that came out about what games would be on what networks wasn't The Pac12's fault it was from websites that had speculated what games would end up where. What they didn't take into account was the deal the Pac12 had worked out with its partners. That deal allowed Pac 12 networks to hold back a certain # of games to be on their own channel. A deal that was different from what the Big10 had set up with ESPN.

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 02:01 PM

i hope direct eventually gets it cause i would like to see some oregon st stuff but its not a deal breaker for me that will come in a couple of years wen the sec network is launced but will still watch pac-12 for wrestling as the sec doesn't sponsor it
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Posted 19 September 2012 - 03:39 PM

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There is blame to be laid at both sides, but much of the initial info that came out about what games would be on what networks wasn't The Pac12's fault it was from websites that had speculated what games would end up where. What they didn't take into account was the deal the Pac12 had worked out with its partners. That deal allowed Pac 12 networks to hold back a certain # of games to be on their own channel. A deal that was different from what the Big10 had set up with ESPN.


You & others keep saying the list is wrong, but it's been right each week. I think the games are set, and Fox will keep getting the big games.
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Posted 19 September 2012 - 03:51 PM

What makes you think that I am curious?


I don't believe I've said that, or inferred that.
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Posted 19 September 2012 - 04:01 PM

You & others keep saying the list is wrong, but it's been right each week. I think the games are set, and Fox will keep getting the big games.


No the list wasn't correct, DirecTV used a list of games from a fan website. Once the games were proven to be wrong they went back and changed what they had up on the website (a Pac 12 source confirmed they had the wrong games). As we move on in the season the windows for which games will be picked vary. Each network was able to pick games at the begining of the year they wanted, those games would mostly be at the begining of the season. The Pac 12 also have two weeks where they get the #1 pick of games (those that were not "drafted" before the season started). Obviously before the season UCLA was not that highly thought of, now those games are a bigger draw. Matt Sarz had it broken down the best a few weeks back and explained the whole "draft/game pick" procedure.

I can't find the tweet at the momment that came out stating the original game list that was credited to FOX wasn't corrrect in regards to Pac 12 games.

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 04:04 PM

No the list wasn't correct, DirecTV used a list of games from a fan website. Once the games were proven to be wrong they went back and changed what they had up on the website (a Pac 12 source confirmed they had the wrong games). As we move on in the season the windows for which games will be picked vary. Each network was able to pick games at the begining of the year they wanted, those games would mostly be at the begining of the season. The Pac 12 also have two weeks where they get the #1 pick of games (those that were not "drafted" before the season started). Obviously before the season UCLA was not that highly thought of, now those games are a bigger draw. Matt Sarz had it broken down the best a few weeks back and explained the whole "draft/game pick" procedure.

I can't find the tweet at the momment that came out stating the original game list that was credited to FOX wasn't corrrect in regards to Pac 12 games.


Are we talking about the same list? The Fox schedule?

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 04:28 PM

sigma, thanks for the .pdf...I think.

Big Game is on Oct. 20?

What's going on with that?

It has always been like all big rivalry games - Michigan vs. Ohio St, Harvard vs. Yale, Army vs. Navy - which are at the end of the season.

Stanford vs. Cal should be, too.
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Posted 19 September 2012 - 04:54 PM

sigma, thanks for the .pdf...I think.

Big Game is on Oct. 20?

What's going on with that?

It has always been like all big rivalry games - Michigan vs. Ohio St, Harvard vs. Yale, Army vs. Navy - which are at the end of the season.

Stanford vs. Cal should be, too.


Yes, Carl the "Big Game" was moved this year to work out all the schedules. Next year they are saying it will move back to the end of the season and another rivalry game will be moved up earlier in the season. It was part of working out the schedule for 12 schools.

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 04:57 PM

Are we talking about the same list? The Fox schedule?


Sigma it was a different list, one that came out on a fan website listing games and times. It was quickly removed after it was shown to be wrong. From what I understand, it was "Fox's dream" list of games they'd want to boardcast if everything fell into place. But, it wasn't games that were actually on the schedule with networks attached they were "TBA" games with no network or time. It wasn't a list that came from FOX or another media partner.

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 05:00 PM

Sigma it was a different list, one that came out on a fan website listing games and times. It was quickly removed after it was shown to be wrong. From what I understand, it was "Fox's dream" list of games they'd want to boardcast if everything fell into place. But, it wasn't games that were actually on the schedule with networks attached they were "TBA" games with no network or time. It wasn't a list that came from FOX or another media partner.


Ahh ok, did you see the pdf I attached?
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Posted 19 September 2012 - 07:24 PM

Ahh ok, did you see the pdf I attached?


Yes I did and from I saw that looks correct, the issue was the other one being cited was not an official FOX one.

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Posted 20 September 2012 - 09:05 AM

Here's D*'s latest try at offering excuses as to why there's no PAC-12 Net on its system.
One line gets me: "Our goal is to provide Pac-12 Network to anyone who wants it."
Well I want it, so where is it?

http://support.direc...WQvSHZUTWJHNmw=

All this homemade Q&A covers is football. How about when basketball season starts and we can't see up to 150 games?

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Posted 20 September 2012 - 09:14 AM

Here's D*'s latest try at offering excuses as to why there's no PAC-12 Net on its system.
One line gets me: "Our goal is to provide Pac-12 Network to anyone who wants it."
Well I want it, so where is it?

http://support.direc...WQvSHZUTWJHNmw=

All this homemade Q&A covers is football. How about when basketball season starts and we can't see up to 150 games?


Based on this line:

We don't want to add any unnecessary costs for those customers who may not have as strong an interest in Pac-12 Network.

sounds like DIRECTV wants to make it ala cart or a RSN just in the Pac-12 area. That's fine with me since I'd be one of ths customers that have zero interest in Pac-12 and don't want any additional unnecessary costs on my monthly bill. Just like you probably don't give a darn about the Longhorn network and don't want to pay anything extra on your bill if they carried it.

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Posted 20 September 2012 - 09:15 AM

Here's D*'s latest try at offering excuses as to why there's no PAC-12 Net on its system.
One line gets me: "Our goal is to provide Pac-12 Network to anyone who wants it."
Well I want it, so where is it?

http://support.direc...WQvSHZUTWJHNmw=

All this homemade Q&A covers is football. How about when basketball season statrts and we can't see up to 150 games?


If you want the PAC-12 network, then you should ask them to make a better offer to DirecTV. It would also go a long way if the network would stop lying about their previous offer. They are the ones missing out on 20 million potential viewers and the revenue that comes with them. When your marquee match-ups dry up only three weeks into the season...it doesn't help your product value.
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Posted 20 September 2012 - 09:16 AM

Here's D*'s latest try at offering excuses as to why there's no PAC-12 Net on its system.
One line gets me: "Our goal is to provide Pac-12 Network to anyone who wants it."
Well I want it, so where is it?

http://support.direc...WQvSHZUTWJHNmw=

All this homemade Q&A covers is football. How about when basketball season starts and we can't see up to 150 games?


It is BS.. I like how they said, "None of the games on the Pac-12 Network schedule feature any nationally ranked opponents based on either the current Associated Press or USA Today Coaches' Poll."

Really??? http://espn.go.com/c...otball/rankings
Shows USC is ranked 13.. That's just this week.

Larry Scott said it best, "DirecTV's claim that the games on the Pac-12 Network are not of interest is absurd. In college football, every game is a big game - something we'd all expect the leader in sports to understand, particularly when it offers its customers Big Ten Network, CBS Sports Network and many regional sports networks. While we admire our Rose Bowl brethren at the Big Ten, why shouldn't Pac-12 fans and alums be insulted by DirecTV's decision to trivialize the games that matter to them? Just like those Big Ten fans, we want to see every game our teams play."

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Posted 20 September 2012 - 09:17 AM

If you want the PAC-12 network, then you should ask them to make a better offer to DirecTV. It would also go a long way if the network would stop lying about their previous offer. They are the ones missing out on 20 million potential viewers and the revenue that comes with them. When your marquee match-ups dry up only three weeks into the season...it doesn't help your product value.


LYING?? Really? why then explain to us please the LIES that Larry Scott said.. I want to hear actual proof of the transcripts that occurred between PAC12 and Directv...

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Posted 20 September 2012 - 09:19 AM

Based on this line:

sounds like DIRECTV wants to make it ala cart or a RSN just in the Pac-12 area. That's fine with me since I'd be one of ths customers that have zero interest in Pac-12 and don't want any additional unnecessary costs on my monthly bill. Just like you probably don't give a darn about the Longhorn network and don't want to pay anything extra on your bill if they carried it.


I'd take the Longhorn deal too, even though I think UT should have joined the PAC16. :) It's about adding sports, not denying us. If we have to get Big10 on the basic channels, then I want PAC12 too.

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Posted 20 September 2012 - 09:22 AM

Hey, guys. One man's lying is another man's telling the truth.

And people are always accused of lying in tough negotiations.

I'd hate to see thread #6 on this topic have to be started before the end of the week.
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