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#601 OFFLINE   woj027

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Posted 06 November 2012 - 10:42 AM

Oh geez... I feel your pain. I really dislike those late games and would much rather watch from my couch than drive home from Corvallis at 11 o'clock at night.

Maybe the clouds will part and we'll see some movement on the DIRECTV/PAC-12 front. I'd better start calling around for hotel accommodations though...


Yea, I'm hoping and praying civil war (just got tickets) is a noon or 3:30 game. I can't imagine the traffic nightmare of a7:30 pm game.

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Posted 06 November 2012 - 01:20 PM

http://www.sportsbus...os-Angeles.aspx

According to the SBD article, the PAC-12 Net is only asking $.80 per sub. That seems reasonible to me.

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Posted 06 November 2012 - 02:07 PM

http://www.sportsbus...os-Angeles.aspx

According to the SBD article, the PAC-12 Net is only asking $.80 per sub. That seems reasonible to me.


$0.80 at 6 channels (which the Pac-12 wants DirecTV to carry is ....) $3.20 for the package, which Pac-12 doesn't want to split up to DirecTV

And that $0.80 probably is not the rate for pac-12 national, probably like $1.20 or so, so that $3.20 is more like $3.60

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 07:32 PM

Oh geez... I feel your pain. I really dislike those late games and would much rather watch from my couch than drive home from Corvallis at 11 o'clock at night.

Maybe the clouds will part and we'll see some movement on the DIRECTV/PAC-12 front. I'd better start calling around for hotel accommodations though...


yea it sucked last week. I didn't home to metro Portland until 2am in the morning. These national TV games from ESPN have tons of commercials and the game just takes forever.

It's ridiculous, the few hotels in Corvallis generally want two nights minimum during game days.

This new Pac 12 TV contract is great for the viewer, but goodness, it's killing the in stadium fan. In the long term I can't see renewing the seats if this is the new normal. I can watch at home and not be exhausted.

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 07:39 PM

Yea and we don't find out the kick off time for the civil war until the 18th. Imagine in the pac-12 puts it on at 7:30. You won't get home until 4am with all the traffic

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Posted 09 November 2012 - 08:18 AM

Well, tomorrow's Arizona State-USC game is the first time for me that there is a game I would absolutely have checked out, but cannot. Bummer. :(


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Posted 09 November 2012 - 08:30 AM

Well, tomorrow's Arizona State-USC game is the first time for me that there is a game I would absolutely have checked out, but cannot. Bummer. :(


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Posted 09 November 2012 - 11:14 AM

USC by 17+...easy win.


No matter who wins I would definitely like to check the game out...disappointed that I cannot.


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Posted 09 November 2012 - 11:22 AM

No matter who wins I would definitely like to check the game out...disappointed that I cannot.


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More so than Oregon St verse Stanford or Texas A&M vs Alabama?
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Posted 09 November 2012 - 11:37 AM

There was an article in this morning's Arizona Daily Star stating that the PAC-12 was requesting $.90 per sub. I'm a big Arizona Basketball fan, so while I was disappointed that certain football games were not aired on Directv I am pretty upset that 11 basketball games will not be aired.

I find it unacceptable that Directpromise.com/pac12 refers those of us affected to the online radio streams even though sports cannot be streamed via the internet. Everytime I am forced to miss a game, I will be calling both the PAC-12 and Directv to express my disdain.

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Posted 09 November 2012 - 12:02 PM

There was an article in this morning's Arizona Daily Star stating that the PAC-12 was requesting $.90 per sub. I'm a big Arizona Basketball fan, so while I was disappointed that certain football games were not aired on Directv I am pretty upset that 11 basketball games will not be aired.

I find it unacceptable that Directpromise.com/pac12 refers those of us affected to the online radio streams even though sports cannot be streamed via the internet. Everytime I am forced to miss a game, I will be calling both the PAC-12 and Directv to express my disdain.



Since no one will go on the record the per sub price is still unconfirmed. a week ago is was $0.80 a sub. But I think that is per channel and Pac-12 only wants to sell a package of 7 channels ..

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Posted 09 November 2012 - 01:28 PM

More so than Oregon St verse Stanford or Texas A&M vs Alabama?


Lots of interesting games to check out this week, especially since my favorite team...THE Ohio State Buckeyes...is off.

Arizona State-USC, Oregon State-Stanford, Baylor-Oklahoma, Texas A&M-Alabama, and Kansas State-TCU will all have my attention. I'll also drop in on other games with conference ramifications as time allows.

Just a little bummed that for the first time in a very long time one of the games I would definitely check out is not available to me.

I pay DirecTV an insane amount of money per month, and I'm certainly willing to pay insane-plus-x to have all the games I want to see available to me.

Just my opinion. YMMV.


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Posted 09 November 2012 - 04:10 PM

I've got DirecTV and SportsPack and don't get the Pac 12 Network nor do I get the startup Comcast SportsNet Houston. I don't give a rat's *** about the Rockets, but there's something wrong with paying what I do and not even getting my local team.

The Pac 12 network has carried a number of games this season that I would have watched because I am a night owl and love late night, West Coast football. However, it's hard to justify paying for more than one channel of it outside of certain college football Saturdays when they carry multiple games.
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Posted 09 November 2012 - 04:17 PM

Lots of interesting games to check out this week, especially since my favorite team...THE Ohio State Buckeyes...is off.

Arizona State-USC, Oregon State-Stanford, Baylor-Oklahoma, Texas A&M-Alabama, and Kansas State-TCU will all have my attention. I'll also drop in on other games with conference ramifications as time allows.

Just a little bummed that for the first time in a very long time one of the games I would definitely check out is not available to me.

I pay DirecTV an insane amount of money per month, and I'm certainly willing to pay insane-plus-x to have all the games I want to see available to me.

Just my opinion. YMMV.


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Just want to note, I was asking out of curiosity and not attacking what you like. :)

I'll miss P12 for basketball (Arizona), but since all important games were available nationally I haven't missed it much.
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Posted 09 November 2012 - 05:18 PM

One mans "important games" might not be the same as anothers.

Just want to note, I was asking out of curiosity and not attacking what you like. :)

I'll miss P12 for basketball (Arizona), but since all important games were available nationally I haven't missed it much.



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Posted 11 November 2012 - 12:07 AM

It's funny seeing pac-12 or xfinity/pac-12 commercials on directv.

The amount of irony on both sides is funny to me; one side hoping for customers and the other trying to cash in on their new mantra.

Another thing, burying the discussion here--while keeping the lakers discussion in full view--while both having equally bad rhetoric is telling...

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 12:44 AM

One mans "important games" might not be the same as anothers.


This.

Just based off the price being rumored, I can not believe the Pac-12 wants the money that they are asking for with carriers.

The idea of DirecTV giving in and forcing the price onto a country that for the high, high majority will never watch OR will watch at most 2-3 times a year?

Holy goodness, please no. I find it irrelevant if others say "Well, I hate Channel X and I pay for it!"....so what? Why should we keep giving in to these regional channels with pathetic national programming outside of a few games a year?

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 09:18 AM

Well, I can't believe it either- that is, if anything like $4 is being demanded nationally. I could understand that amount if it were limited to subs in the Pac12 area, then divided among the rest of the sub base, guessing it'd be closer to a buck per sub. Not really palatable, but not to choke over.

Does anyone really have a line on what prices are in play? Rumor websites don't count....
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Posted 12 November 2012 - 09:54 AM

I do appreciate the passion of the PAC12 viewer base, but this pretty much sums it up for me:

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The idea of DirecTV giving in and forcing the price onto a country that for the high, high majority will never watch OR will watch at most 2-3 times a year?....



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Posted 12 November 2012 - 11:50 AM

Yea, some of the network picks are kind of interesting.


ESPN, FOX/FX, Pac12Net rotate the order they get to pick games so you'll see some matchups that in the past would have been on ESPN as a "premiere" matchup on all networks throughout the season.

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 07:49 AM

This.

The idea of DirecTV giving in and forcing the price onto a country that for the high, high majority will never watch OR will watch at most 2-3 times a year?


Yea, but this is not true. The deal is putting the network in place for those in Pac 12 territory, NOT the nation. The remaining part of the nation would get the channel in the sports pack, a deal in which they would pay extra for.

LA already has multiple sports channels om Directv, two Fox Sports Nets and most of the rest of us have no more than one Fox sports Net....we pay the same rates as LA and yet LA gets more sports networks, so who is subsidizing who here?

And I don't watch Speed, Fuel or some of these other (really) niche channels, yet I am subsidizing the viewing of these channels?

Here in Oregon we can't even get our NBA Trail Blazers on Directv because Directv favors it's own Root Sports NW subsidiary (which has NOTHING on it outside of the Mariners and in the winter the cupboard is almost completely bare - we do have Seattle area high school football). CSN NW (blazers) costs less per sub than Root NW does according to published numbers.....

Now also Pac 12 is charging .80 per sub according some reports. Root NW is charging $2.40 accoriding to reports. Root used to carry Pac 12, so in theory instead of $2.40 cost for Root should drop for the loss of Pac 12 content, meaing that those dollars can shift over and cover the .80 charge for Pac 12.

So who is subsidizing who here? Your understanding of the situation is flawed and wrong. Sorry to burst that bubble.

And, beyond that most of the rates between providers are similar....so the new mantra with "Directv is pay the same and get less!" In fact, my new Dish Network bill (even w/o considering the new sign up rebates, etc.) is less than Directv. Comcast bills are roughly the same as Directv. So how does a competitor do it and charge the same or less than Directv?

So if you are still with Directv I'd call them up and get whatever deal you want...they'll pay. When terminated Directv they offered me the kitchen sink, $10 credit for 2 years, free HBO, showtime, etc. for 6 months, free sports pack for 6 months, free NFL Sunday Ticket, brand new equipment, etc. I probably could have even held out for more. But I said no and they kept pushing more.....so do it, call and get a credit for yourself. I agree sports channel costs are going up......but Directv, owning three of them directly, is just as much of the problem as anyone else....they lost content and they refuse to adjust their price for it, so now they make even more money....charge the same for Root but have little or no cost on content anymore!

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 10:35 AM

Yea, but this is not true. The deal is putting the network in place for those in Pac 12 territory, NOT the nation. The remaining part of the nation would get the channel in the sports pack, a deal in which they would pay extra for.

And many like myself have the Sports Pack and do not want a price increase off that based on a West-Coast channel that AGAIN few watch but 2-3 times a year.

And I don't watch Speed, Fuel or some of these other (really) niche channels, yet I am subsidizing the viewing of these channels?


So what? Why add more of those then?

Now also Pac 12 is charging .80 per sub according some reports.

I have seen different numbers from different reports.

Root NW is charging $2.40 accoriding to reports. Root used to carry Pac 12, so in theory instead of $2.40 cost for Root should drop for the loss of Pac 12 content, meaing that those dollars can shift over and cover the .80 charge for Pac 12.


And that price is absurd. As others have said, your market compares to the NY market in terms of ridiculously inflated prices.

Your understanding of the situation is flawed and wrong. Sorry to burst that bubble.


There is nothing flawed whatsoever in what I am saying as few if anyone wants this channel outside of the Pac-12 fans mostly on the West-Coast. Whether they add it to the Sports Pack, Essential, or whatever....the price the Channel wants is ABSURD with the utterly pathetic content for virtually the entire year.

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 07:23 PM

They do this with the B1G Network now? Why would anyone expect any of the other conference networks to agree to anything less?

I do appreciate the passion of the PAC12 viewer base, but this pretty much sums it up for me:


Very succinctly put.


This.

The idea of DirecTV giving in and forcing the price onto a country that for the high, high majority will never watch OR will watch at most 2-3 times a year?



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Posted 15 November 2012 - 07:23 AM

And many like myself have the Sports Pack and do not want a price increase off that based on a West-Coast channel that AGAIN few watch but 2-3 times a year.


Yea, so what? Times change all the time. Just because you don't want it doesn't mean we remain in the past. And frankly, Pac 12 has alums and fans all over the country that do want the channel. I know folks in the deep south always resist change, well unfortunately the world just does not work that way. Change is inevitable.


So what? Why add more of those then?


So let's remain in the past? So why add NHL Network, NFL Network, etc. over the years?

Maybe it's time to pull some sports channels off that are not getting good viewership and have poor content. (i.e. Root Sports NW and the others).

Life changes every day. I already cannot watch the Portland Trail Blazers on Directv because they favor their own 100% controlled Root Sports over CSN-NW.

I have seen different numbers from different reports.
And that price is absurd. As others have said, your market compares to the NY market in terms of ridiculously inflated prices.


Yep, but that price goes right to Directv as the owner of Root Sports. Directv is just as much a cause of the problem on sports channels as anyone else. Mike White talks a good game, but then fails to look in the mirror. Root Sports has an increase over the past 7 or 8 years just above the national average on sports channels. Main difference is Mr. White's own sports channels have very little content today, so he's raking in the cash on Root....they are charging premium rates and showing high school football, which costs them next to nothing.

There is nothing flawed whatsoever in what I am saying as few if anyone wants this channel outside of the Pac-12 fans mostly on the West-Coast. Whether they add it to the Sports Pack, Essential, or whatever....the price the Channel wants is ABSURD with the utterly pathetic content for virtually the entire year.


I flat disagree with that statement. The content of the Pac 12 Network costs less on Pac 12 Network (for more content) than Root Sports (or any other west coast RSN charges).

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 07:26 AM

And many like myself have the Sports Pack and do not want a price increase off that based on a West-Coast channel that AGAIN few watch but 2-3 times a year.


Yea, so what? Times change all the time. Just because you don't want it doesn't mean we remain in the past. And frankly, Pac 12 has alums and fans all over the country that do want the channel. I know folks in the deep south always resist change, well unfortunately the world just does not work that way. Change is inevitable.


So what? Why add more of those then?


So let's remain in the past? So why add NHL Network, NFL Network, etc. over the years?

Maybe it's time to pull some sports channels off that are not getting good viewership and have poor content. (i.e. Root Sports NW and the others).

Life changes every day. I already cannot watch the Portland Trail Blazers on Directv because they favor their own 100% controlled Root Sports over CSN-NW.

I have seen different numbers from different reports.
And that price is absurd. As others have said, your market compares to the NY market in terms of ridiculously inflated prices.


Yep, but that price goes right to Directv as the owner of Root Sports. Directv is just as much a cause of the problem on sports channels as anyone else. Mike White talks a good game, but then fails to look in the mirror. Root Sports has an increase over the past 7 or 8 years just above the national average on sports channels. Main difference is Mr. White's own sports channels have very little content today, so he's raking in the cash on Root....they are charging premium rates and showing high school football, which costs them next to nothing.

There is nothing flawed whatsoever in what I am saying as few if anyone wants this channel outside of the Pac-12 fans mostly on the West-Coast. Whether they add it to the Sports Pack, Essential, or whatever....the price the Channel wants is ABSURD with the utterly pathetic content for virtually the entire year.


I flat disagree with that statement. The content of Pac 12 sports costs less on Pac 12 Network (for more content) than Root Sports (or any other west coast RSN charges). So if we pay 80 cents per sub for Pac 12 for the whole thing or $2.40 something on Root for a few games here and there? We have a LOT more content for lower cost. Basically Pac 12 can do the whole thing for a lot less than others and give us better access at the same time.

Fact remains that Pac 12 will probably be the last league owned channel. The grain is so difficult now with the fights Pac 12 is having that it is unlikely any other league will be able to muster wide distribution.




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