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Your remaining 'wish list' for Dish programming?


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#21 OFFLINE   James Long

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Posted 25 September 2012 - 07:45 PM

I totally agree,with DirecTV adding more basic HD channels it's time for DISH to make their basic channel HD offerings better with even more HD channels.:)

DISH's biggest hole at the moment is 24/7 regional sports. Even though I don't watch mine not having them has become an issue. It was OK a couple of years ago when the channels themselves lacked 24/7 HD content but it is time to catch up.

I'd also like to see some of the specialty channels like NASA go HD ... but I realize with limited bandwidth the decision on what to fill that space with will likely come down to contracts (where a renewing network refuses carriage without a HD channel) or how much money DISH can make off of the addition.

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#22 OFFLINE   inazsully

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Posted 25 September 2012 - 11:40 PM

How about less compression? Blow everybody else out of the water.

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Posted 26 September 2012 - 04:57 AM

How about less compression? Blow everybody else out of the water.


+1

And do away with HD-Lite.

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Posted 26 September 2012 - 06:47 AM

+1

And do away with HD-Lite.


All providers broadcast in "HD Lite" If you want real HD, then you have to watch Blu-Rays.

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Posted 26 September 2012 - 10:25 AM

All providers broadcast in "HD Lite" If you want real HD, then you have to watch Blu-Rays.


Hence the wish for less compression. Let Dish lead the way with the least compression resulting in the best PQ. Sort of like a price war but in this case a PQ war. And the winner should reap the spoils.

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Posted 26 September 2012 - 01:50 PM

Remove all SD Channels, and drop costs 25%.
Add:
BBC One
BBC Two
BBC Three
BBC Four
BBC HD
CBBC
BBC News Channel
BBC Parliament


Yeah right.
And I want
The Caribbean Fly Fishing Channel
The Mississippi Fly Fishing Channel
The Australia Fly Fishing Channel

Edited by pfred, 26 September 2012 - 01:50 PM.
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Posted 26 September 2012 - 01:54 PM

All providers broadcast in "HD Lite" If you want real HD


False.
DTV = Digital Television

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Posted 26 September 2012 - 11:17 PM

TvOne. I've been asking for it for years. I've waited patiently and I would hate to leave because of one channel, but as my signature shows, it's happening.
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16+ yrs w/Dish Network...finally had to let them go!

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 06:34 AM

False.


Great explanation! Now tell me who, outside of some PPV movies, broadcast in 1080p?

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 06:59 AM

Great explanation! Now tell me who, outside of some PPV movies, broadcast in 1080p?


720p, 1080i, and 1080p are all real HD. HD-Lite is a specific term used to describe Dish Network's downsampling of all 1080i channels and reducing their picture quality. What you are thinking of is the marketing term "full HD" and that refers to 1080p.
DTV = Digital Television

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 08:22 AM

Maybe a better way to put it: the HD picture you get from OTA is visually better than what you get from the same show on satellite.

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 10:49 AM

All providers broadcast in "HD Lite" If you want real HD, then you have to watch Blu-Rays.


All providers down-scale 1080i (which is 1920x1080 interlaced lines) to 1440x1080? That is what Dish appears to do, and that was the HD-Lite I was referring to.

What I would like to see is the full resolution provided by the network in question, but also use enough bandwidth to provide a signal as artifact-free as the original.

It simply makes no sense for Dish to provide channels in 1080p that are sourced to them as 1080i. Calling such a failure "HD Lite" robs the definition of meaning.

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 10:53 AM

Maybe a better way to put it: the HD picture you get from OTA is visually better than what you get from the same show on satellite.


I get a much better picture from ESPN via satellite than OTA.

Local-into-Local is way over-compressed, at least what I've seen of it. But this was not the HD Lite I was referring to. LiL is bandwidth starved, and that is unlikely to change.

Comparing apples to apples, Dish's picture should provide as much detail and color depth as cable or DirecTV do, and it is here that I think Dish is failing to deliver.

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 04:17 PM

I have read that FIOS utilizes the least amount of compression. I don't know if that's true. When it comes to compression of signals does anyone really know who does what? Are signals compressed equally on a night to night basis or a channel to channel basis? How about a show to show basis on the same channel? Also, at what distance from a 50" screen can the human eye tell the difference between 1080i at Full HD and HD Lite?

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 06:27 PM

720p, 1080i, and 1080p are all real HD. HD-Lite is a specific term used to describe Dish Network's downsampling of all 1080i channels and reducing their picture quality. What you are thinking of is the marketing term "full HD" and that refers to 1080p.


funny thing is dish's HD looks better than directv's

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 06:31 PM

funny thing is dish's HD looks better than directv's


If only that were possible
DTV = Digital Television

#37 OFFLINE   James Long

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 06:35 PM

Please take your personal battle over HD quality to PM. That isn't what this thread is for.

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 04:17 AM

How about a show to show basis on the same channel? Also, at what distance from a 50" screen can the human eye tell the difference between 1080i at Full HD and HD Lite?


I watched Frozen Planet on Discovery during my transition from DirecTV to Dish. I did not have both services simultaneously, so I could not do a true A/B comparison, but I think the comparison I made was valid. I used a 50" 1080p plasma television. Detail was visibly less on Dish, viewed at 8'. I also had to significantly boost color in my television settings to get a proper picture from the Hopper. Boosting leads to an increase in artifacts, in my experience, but sports like football appear totally washed out with settings that look correct for both Blu-Ray and DirecTV. In other words, color depth (which is an easy way to overcompress a signal) is very lacking on Dish. Another channel I frequently watch is the Tennis Channel, and again, my opinion was that Dish lacked that sharp-as-a-tack picture I had seen on DirecTV.

I don't think color depth would be viewing distance dependent. And a wall prevented me from viewing further away than 8' but I could see that the picture detail was less on Dish. Others have asserted the opposite - that Dish's picture is more detailed, but I haven't seen it. Some have argued that I was sitting too close to the television, but I was actually at the outside edge of THX's recommended viewing distance.

So my programming wish for Dish is not more channels (I have plenty, thank you) but a higher quality on existing channels. This obviously means dedicating more bandwidth, and since they are unlikely to be tossing bandwidth they have, would mean they must eliminate duplicate SD channels to create the space. I'd also
Ike to see a tuner for the Hopper, as local channels are terrible.

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 11:45 AM

AMC AMC AMC
Smithsonian HD
All the encore channels in HD

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Posted 29 September 2012 - 08:04 AM

I get a much better picture from ESPN via satellite than OTA.


How do you get ESPN with an OTA antenna?? I was talking about watching the local HD networks via OTA antenna -you get ESPN OTA?




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