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#26 OFFLINE   tonyd79

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Posted 26 September 2012 - 08:18 PM

I'm reading through this thread and can't help but think saleen is searching for a solution that doesn't have a problem. I'm a Sunday Ticket sub and I've never once tuned into the Game Mix channel. It could be removed from the lineup and I wouldn't care. Same goes for the Red Zone Channel.

I subscribe because I am a Cowboys fan living in North Dakota. If I'm lucky, I might get to see 4 or 5 Cowboys games a year without ST. Everything around here is Vikings, Packers and Bears.

The mix channel has no appeal to me because when I'm watching football, I tend to concentrate on one or two games. If the boys are playing, the channel doesn't change until halftime or the end of the game.

With the exception of some diehards like the ones who have posted here (nice setups by the way!), I would imagine your average NFL fan probably has similar viewing habits to mine. I guess the point I'm trying to make is the mix channel has limited appeal, and if this was really as big a problem as you seem to think, measures would be taken to limit the impact of blackouts on that channel.


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The mix channel is a nicety. And pretty much hard to watch except when 4 or fewer games.

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 05:09 AM

I'm reading through this thread and can't help but think saleen is searching for a solution that doesn't have a problem. I'm a Sunday Ticket sub and I've never once tuned into the Game Mix channel. It could be removed from the lineup and I wouldn't care. Same goes for the Red Zone Channel.

I subscribe because I am a Cowboys fan living in North Dakota. If I'm lucky, I might get to see 4 or 5 Cowboys games a year without ST. Everything around here is Vikings, Packers and Bears.

The mix channel has no appeal to me because when I'm watching football, I tend to concentrate on one or two games. If the boys are playing, the channel doesn't change until halftime or the end of the game.

With the exception of some diehards like the ones who have posted here (nice setups by the way!), I would imagine your average NFL fan probably has similar viewing habits to mine. I guess the point I'm trying to make is the mix channel has limited appeal, and if this was really as big a problem as you seem to think, measures would be taken to limit the impact of blackouts on that channel.


While I'm not a big game mix watcher. My typical Sunday afternoon is Jaguars game and then the Red Zone Channel in the slot they aren't in. I would imagine a lot if us who sub to see our out of market teams follow that similar pattern.

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 07:01 AM

Yes, it's my team and/or the RedZone, the mix channel games are just too small and the screen too "busy" to watch.

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 07:28 AM

I don't get the consternation.

The only time I ever go to the Mix channel is when Andrew Siciliano stays too long on highlights, and I check to see if any other action is going on. If it is...I switch to that channel.


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Posted 27 September 2012 - 07:28 AM

Yes, it's my team and/or the RedZone, the mix channel games are just too small and the screen too "busy" to watch.


Agreed. I got a bigger TV in the offseason and tried watching it and yeah just too much going on. I feel like I see nothing because so much is happening if you know what I mean. I've seen the mix baseball channel and to me that's a little easier to follow.

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 07:45 AM

Agreed. I got a bigger TV in the offseason and tried watching it and yeah just too much going on. I feel like I see nothing because so much is happening if you know what I mean. I've seen the mix baseball channel and to me that's a little easier to follow.


Game pace is different. And more goes on between plays with penalties, etc, in football. Especially with all the conferences this year.
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Posted 27 September 2012 - 09:04 AM

The issue is simple, we pay a ton of money for a product D is letting die on the table...

The early games on GM suck, you'd need a 100 inch tv to watch it but it's good for a flip, meaning if my Jets are playing and there is a commercial I flip to GM, then I can see when we are coming back from commercial and I flip back... The RZ lacks context. They may show a game that is not competitive yet is in the red zone...

The 4pm games are different, with 4 games on my 61" tv it's fun to watch as you can actually watch the games.

However due to blackouts, and more on the way, the 4pm GM sucks, we typically have 1 box showing nothing. Why?

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 09:07 AM

It's a free country, saleen. If you are that fed up with Game Mix, cancel your ST contract.

This problem obviously doesn't bother the majority of folks. As a company, DirecTV has to figure out who to serve.
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Posted 27 September 2012 - 09:18 AM

However due to blackouts, and more on the way, the 4pm GM sucks, we typically have 1 box showing nothing. Why?


If you are really annoyed by the black box for the one blacked out game, go out and buy 8 TV's, set them up with HD receivers, and make your own mix channel with 8 games. Other then that, accept it the way it is.
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Posted 27 September 2012 - 09:48 AM

However due to blackouts, and more on the way, the 4pm GM sucks, we typically have 1 box showing nothing. Why?


Because stadiums are not selling out...because too many people are staying home to watch all of the extra channels/games that are now available!


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Posted 27 September 2012 - 09:50 AM

The issue is simple, we pay a ton of money for a product D is letting die on the table...

The early games on GM suck, you'd need a 100 inch tv to watch it but it's good for a flip, meaning if my Jets are playing and there is a commercial I flip to GM, then I can see when we are coming back from commercial and I flip back... The RZ lacks context. They may show a game that is not competitive yet is in the red zone...

The 4pm games are different, with 4 games on my 61" tv it's fun to watch as you can actually watch the games.

However due to blackouts, and more on the way, the 4pm GM sucks, we typically have 1 box showing nothing. Why?


Why are you blaming DirecTV for NFL blackout rules?
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Posted 27 September 2012 - 09:52 AM

The issue is simple, we pay a ton of money for a product D is letting die on the table...

The early games on GM suck, you'd need a 100 inch tv to watch it but it's good for a flip, meaning if my Jets are playing and there is a commercial I flip to GM, then I can see when we are coming back from commercial and I flip back... The RZ lacks context. They may show a game that is not competitive yet is in the red zone...

The 4pm games are different, with 4 games on my 61" tv it's fun to watch as you can actually watch the games.

However due to blackouts, and more on the way, the 4pm GM sucks, we typically have 1 box showing nothing. Why?


How are they letting it die on the table? Nearly everyone here has said they don't watch the mix channel. The individual out of market games are the central foundation for ST. As long as they are there, everything else is add on. While I love RZC I still don't put it in the fundamental reason for the package. I know a lot sub for that channel so of anything that would be the only extra that comes close. Watching on the iPad, multiple games at one time, game mix, fantasy trackers, short cuts, etc are not in that level to most people.

The one thing I've always been curious about with GM is was it ever possible as games end, remove them, and make the other boxes larger. But that's about all.

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 10:05 AM

While I'm not a big game mix watcher. My typical Sunday afternoon is Jaguars game and then the Red Zone Channel in the slot they aren't in. I would imagine a lot if us who sub to see our out of market teams follow that similar pattern.


this (substituting Lions for Jaguars) :)

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 12:12 PM

The issue is simple, we pay a ton of money for a product D is letting die on the table...


Again, I don't pay for ST for game mix - which is much like the rest of the subscribers. We pay for access to our team's games as well as every other game on Sunday. If Game Mix was offered as a separate package, you'd have a right to gripe and complain, but being as it's included as part of a package that includes every game, I don't see what your issue is. You're just complaining for the sake of complaining.
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Posted 28 September 2012 - 10:38 PM

Ok, just spitballin here, but....

Create the same one mix channel... but have it mirrored on several channels, and then only authorize people to see the game mix channel that wont break the blackout rules... Not sure if they can do that with mirrored channels or not, but its the only thing I can think of that might work. If there is four games though, that would mean they may need up to four mirrors for the afternoon games, and six mirrors for the morning games, I believe.

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Posted 29 September 2012 - 11:51 AM

Create the same one mix channel... but have it mirrored on several channels, and then only authorize people to see the game mix channel that wont break the blackout rules... Not sure if they can do that with mirrored channels or not, but its the only thing I can think of that might work. If there is four games though, that would mean they may need up to four mirrors for the afternoon games, and six mirrors for the morning games, I believe.


I can't quite tell whether you're advocating for...

1. "The same one mix channel" containing every game, blacked out in areas where a game may be blacked out.

2. Separate mix channels for areas where there's a blackout, i.e., if a Buccaneers home game is blacked out, then most of the country gets a mix channel containing every game, and Central Florida gets a mix channel that contains all games except the Bucs game.

Neither scenario would involve "mirrors," a term which implies that the content is the same on all channels. #1 only requires one channel; #2 would require DirecTV to produce and distribute two completely separate mix channels.
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Posted 29 September 2012 - 02:32 PM

I believe what he's saying is a mix channel that "mirrors" the ST channels as you receive them. So in essence if a game is blacked out it would be blacked out on the mix channel for you (you'd actually see a black screen in the box). The problem with this is it would also black out the games airing on your local affiliate because those are blacked out on the ST channels as well which is one big reason I don't think this would ever work.

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Posted 30 September 2012 - 10:13 AM

Or Directv could develop PIP system so that you could create your own mix channel. So with a HR34 you could use all 5 tuners - 1 for the main game and the other four for PIP. Now if you could resize, and move PIP windows that would be awesome. I know it's just a crazy idea, but........??????

Now it's time for some football.

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Posted 30 September 2012 - 12:00 PM

I believe what he's saying is a mix channel that "mirrors" the ST channels as you receive them. So in essence if a game is blacked out it would be blacked out on the mix channel for you (you'd actually see a black screen in the box).


Pretty sure this would require new receivers/DVRs with new technology that would allow them to dynamically "create" a mix channel "on the fly."
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Posted 30 September 2012 - 12:09 PM

Or Directv could develop PIP system so that you could create your own mix channel. So with a HR34 you could use all 5 tuners - 1 for the main game and the other four for PIP. Now if you could resize, and move PIP windows that would be awesome. I know it's just a crazy idea, but........??????

Now it's time for some football.


Actually, that's not a bad idea at all. I think they need to iron out the rest of the bugs in the HR34 before they look at something like this, but it would make sense.
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Posted 30 September 2012 - 05:16 PM

Pretty sure this would require new receivers/DVRs with new technology that would allow them to dynamically "create" a mix channel "on the fly."


That would be one expensive system. The decoders are the issue.
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