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#26 OFFLINE   Henry

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 12:02 PM

Come on, really how hard is it to deduce that the Mets will lose???


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Posted 03 October 2012 - 12:47 PM

Come on, really how hard is it to deduce that the Mets will lose???

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 11:37 AM

I thought episode 2 was better than the pilot, with the mystery more Holmes-like. The only weak point was the forced and clumsy scene at the AA meeting.
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Posted 10 October 2012 - 02:48 PM

Oh come on, the histrionic scene in the hospital room was worse than the one at the AA meeting.
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Posted 11 October 2012 - 12:35 PM

Will give it a chance but it seemed to me like Monk, psych, mentalist and perception all rolled into one but on super fast forward.


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Posted 23 October 2012 - 10:57 PM

CBS Gives Full Season Orders to Television's #1 and #2 New Series - "Vegas" and "Elementary"


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Posted 14 November 2012 - 07:41 PM

CBS Gives Full Season Orders to Television's #1 and #2 New Series - "Vegas" and "Elementary"


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From that one would have to deduce that some of the naysayers here must have very sore &&&holes, from having to pull so much stuff that huge out of them.

First, I like both shows very much and for a number of reasons. I am hardly surprised by the pickups.

Second, all TV is derivative, with the possible exceptions of Star Trek and Fringe. Get over it. There isn't a cop procedural or private detective show, book, or movie out there that doesn't owe something to Arthur Conan Doyle, just like there isn't a building built today that doesn't owe something to Frank Lloyd Wright.

Elementary is highly derivative, by definition. How could it not be? I think we all knew that going in. It takes balls to even attempt this. They pulled it off in spite of all of that. Period.
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Posted 15 November 2012 - 04:22 PM

I am not the least surprised about Elementary. It has had consistently high ratings, despite as TomCat has said, being derivative. :) But Vegas, which I actually like MORE than Elementary has been getting relatively poor ratings and sources like TVBYTHENUMBERS had is listed as likely to be cancelled. I am surprised that it was given the full season, pleasantly surprised.

I assumed The Mob Doctor was done for, but I was wrong about that too. Not doing too well with my predictions this year I guess. Beauty and the Beast was on my cancellation list too.
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 10:12 AM

From that one would have to deduce that some of the naysayers here must have very sore &&&holes, from having to pull so much stuff that huge out of them.

First, I like both shows very much and for a number of reasons. I am hardly surprised by the pickups.

Second, all TV is derivative, with the possible exceptions of Star Trek and Fringe. Get over it. There isn't a cop procedural or private detective show, book, or movie out there that doesn't owe something to Arthur Conan Doyle, just like there isn't a building built today that doesn't owe something to Frank Lloyd Wright.

Elementary is highly derivative, by definition. How could it not be? I think we all knew that going in. It takes balls to even attempt this. They pulled it off in spite of all of that. Period.


I watch Elementary a lot, but other than being named Holmes, speaking with a British accent and saying things like "...elementary my dear Watson...", I think the derivations stop there. Any crime investigator worth his/her salt can "deduce" the details of a crime. I love what Mr. Doyle did with his character, but that didn't give him exclusive rights to common sense or to the powers of observation.

I would also think we owe just a little bit more to Mr. Carnegie than we do Mr. Wright when it comes to buildings.
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 09:35 PM

I wonder when they will do "Hounds of Baskerville" episode. The attempt to do that story on the BBC show Sherlock was horrid.

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 10:01 AM

I wonder when they will do "Hounds of Baskerville" episode. The attempt to do that story on the BBC show Sherlock was horrid.


If that happens, then I will have to shake my head and agree with TomCat. :nono2:
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Posted 17 November 2012 - 04:03 PM

From that one would have to deduce that some of the naysayers here must have very sore &&&holes, from having to pull so much stuff that huge out of them.


Just because you enjoy a show and others don't doesn't require the hurling of insults. Yes, ratings for Elementary are good, and I was one of the estimated 10.75 million viewers last Thursday. But from that number you might also deduce that roughly 300 million Americans didn't bother to watch.
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Posted 21 November 2012 - 07:54 PM

I watch Elementary a lot, but other than being named Holmes, speaking with a British accent and saying things like "...elementary my dear Watson...", I think the derivations stop there...

You watch it a lot, do you? I've seen them all and they have never been so crass as to even approach using that phrase or anything close to it, so it is doubtful that you have any idea what you are talking about. Were they to do that, they would be the first show to actually be "laughed" off of television since Cop Rock. This is the same exact reason why Arrow, which is based on Green Arrow from DC comics, has never metioned the word "green". No one would dare to be that "on the nose".

I would also think we owe just a little bit more to Mr. Carnegie than we do Mr. Wright when it comes to buildings.

Actually we owe more to the Greeks than either of these, but I'm a little startled that the name Carnegie was mentioned. The two most famous Carnegies, Andrew and Dale, were an industrialist/philathropist and a public speaking guru. Neither of them seem to have ever drawn a blueprint or conceptualized a building, and neither is known for architecture. Both may be seminally influential, but not in anything connected to architecture, other than Carnegie Mellon has one of the premiere Architecture Schools. But lots of prestigious Ivy League schools have respected architecture divisions, and that is just one division of Carnegie Mellon.

But assuming that the mind of Andrew Carnegie was seminally influential to architecture is like assuming that the mind of Mitt Romney is seminally influential to car elevators. Just like the only connection Mitt Romney has to car elevators is that he bought one, Carnegie's connection to architecture is that he had a gazillion bucks and seeded this venture financially, as well as libraries, museums (some with impressive architecture collections) and loads of other things.

Architecture is a footnote in his career, and not directly and only by default. He was not one, and those who finance schools are not necessarily, and not at all in this case, seminally influential in the courses or students, or their creations, that arise from their philanthropy.

FLW, on the other hand, has been studied extensively by every architect born since he died in 1959, and is covered extensively in every architecture program in the world including the one at Carnegie Mellon. His structures have influenced every architect born in the last 100 years, and either directly or indirectly, every building built in the last 75. Rather than simply give money to schools and libraries he possessed the mind that came up with all of the now-standard ways of doing things. Other than being famous, there is not much at all that both men had in common, and it seems pretty much a stretch to compare them to each other directly in FLW's wheelhouse.

FLW was as much of a genius as you can ever find, and he makes Steve Jobs look like a piker by comparison. Carnegie was simply the bank. It does not require genius or an ability to be seminally influential if your outstanding attributes are that you are simply rich and lucky.

Maybe I was sick that school day, or asleep, but if not Andrew Carnegie I have no earthly idea what Carnegie you are talking about. If we were playing Password and the clue was "architect", what would your answer be? Carnegie? or FLW? Maybe that goes back to the original problem pointed out above in my response to the first quote.

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 10:40 AM

You watch it a lot, do you? I've seen them all and they have never been so crass as to even approach using that phrase or anything close to it, so it is doubtful that you have any idea what you are talking about. Were they to do that, they would be the first show to actually be "laughed" off of television since Cop Rock. This is the same exact reason why Arrow, which is based on Green Arrow from DC comics, has never metioned the word "green". No one would dare to be that "on the nose".

Actually we owe more to the Greeks than either of these, but I'm a little startled that the name Carnegie was mentioned. The two most famous Carnegies, Andrew and Dale, were an industrialist/philathropist and a public speaking guru. Neither of them seem to have ever drawn a blueprint or conceptualized a building, and neither is known for architecture. Both may be seminally influential, but not in anything connected to architecture, other than Carnegie Mellon has one of the premiere Architecture Schools. But lots of prestigious Ivy League schools have respected architecture divisions, and that is just one division of Carnegie Mellon.

But assuming that the mind of Andrew Carnegie was seminally influential to architecture is like assuming that the mind of Mitt Romney is seminally influential to car elevators. Just like the only connection Mitt Romney has to car elevators is that he bought one, Carnegie's connection to architecture is that he had a gazillion bucks and seeded this venture financially, as well as libraries, museums (some with impressive architecture collections) and loads of other things.

Architecture is a footnote in his career, and not directly and only by default. He was not one, and those who finance schools are not necessarily, and not at all in this case, seminally influential in the courses or students, or their creations, that arise from their philanthropy.

FLW, on the other hand, has been studied extensively by every architect born since he died in 1959, and is covered extensively in every architecture program in the world including the one at Carnegie Mellon. His structures have influenced every architect born in the last 100 years, and either directly or indirectly, every building built in the last 75. Rather than simply give money to schools and libraries he possessed the mind that came up with all of the now-standard ways of doing things. Other than being famous, there is not much at all that both men had in common, and it seems pretty much a stretch to compare them to each other directly in FLW's wheelhouse.

FLW was as much of a genius as you can ever find, and he makes Steve Jobs look like a piker by comparison. Carnegie was simply the bank. It does not require genius or an ability to be seminally influential if your outstanding attributes are that you are simply rich and lucky.

Maybe I was sick that school day, or asleep, but if not Andrew Carnegie I have no earthly idea what Carnegie you are talking about. If we were playing Password and the clue was "architect", what would your answer be? Carnegie? or FLW? Maybe that goes back to the original problem pointed out above in my response to the first quote.


Actually, Sherlock never said "Elementary, my dear Watson" either. :P

OTOH, Andrew Carnegie built the steel industry. Mr. Wright would be hard pressed to construct a cantilever without it.
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Posted 22 November 2012 - 01:45 PM

Actually, Sherlock never said "Elementary, my dear Watson" either. :P

OTOH, Andrew Carnegie built the steel industry. Mr. Wright would be hard pressed to construct a cantilever without it.


However Holmes did say
"Elementary" and "... my dear Watson" in "The Crooked Man". William Gillette first uttered the now famous quote in the play he wrote and starred in as Sherlock Holmes.
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Posted 22 November 2012 - 02:22 PM

However Holmes did say
"Elementary" and "... my dear Watson" in "The Crooked Man". William Gillette first uttered the now famous quote in the play he wrote and starred in as Sherlock Holmes.


Yes he did, BP, but Conan Doyle never wrote it as such. I'm thinking that a radio series some decades ago (the 30s?) planted the catchy version that we mistakenly attribute to him today.
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Posted 22 November 2012 - 04:47 PM

Yes he did, BP, but Conan Doyle never wrote it as such. I'm thinking that a radio series some decades ago (the 30s?) planted the catchy version that we mistakenly attribute to him today.


Consulting my box set "The Annotated Sherlock Holmes" by William S. Baring-Gould, the Actor William Gillette uttered the line "Oh, this is elementary, my dear Watson in the 1899 play "Sherlock Holmes" in which he wrote and starred in.
In the 1929 movie "The Return of Sherlock Holmes" the line "Elementary, my dear Watson, elementary" was said. Of course there are the few times a variation of these lines appeared in the many Basil Rathbone film interpretations.
So yes the "Elementary, my dear Watson" did not appear in the canon. Neither did Holmes wear the famous "Deerstalker" even though Sidney Paget did illustrate Holmes wearing one in "Silver Blaze", Watson only describes it as his (Sherlock's) "...ear-flapped travelling-cap...". And so the myths continue.
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Posted 22 November 2012 - 05:10 PM

Btw, in the canon Holmes never smoked a Calabash pipe that is often associated with him. Again it was William Gillette who created that connection. Gillette wanted a pipe which would not interfere with the audience from viewing his face on stage. In the canon Holmes only smoked three types of pipes, none of these were Calabash.
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Posted 23 November 2012 - 10:09 AM

Consulting my box set "The Annotated Sherlock Holmes" by William S. Baring-Gould, the Actor William Gillette uttered the line "Oh, this is elementary, my dear Watson in the 1899 play "Sherlock Holmes" in which he wrote and starred in.
In the 1929 movie "The Return of Sherlock Holmes" the line "Elementary, my dear Watson, elementary" was said. Of course there are the few times a variation of these lines appeared in the many Basil Rathbone film interpretations.
So yes the "Elementary, my dear Watson" did not appear in the canon. Neither did Holmes wear the famous "Deerstalker" even though Sidney Paget did illustrate Holmes wearing one in "Silver Blaze", Watson only describes it as his (Sherlock's) "...ear-flapped travelling-cap...". And so the myths continue.


Yes, I agree with that. Perhaps I should have been clearer in that it didn't become the catch phrase it is today until the radio series planted it (sheer repetition, no doubt) into our heads.
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Posted 02 December 2012 - 01:14 PM

Anybody watch last week's episode with the bomb? There were two things that bothered me about the plot:

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I think Johnny Lee Miller and Lucy Lui are developing a nice rhythm on the show, I just wish the writing was better. None of the plots have surprised me and the twists are all pretty obvious.
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Posted 15 December 2012 - 06:56 PM

The Asian gambling episode was full of obvious holes and things Holmes missed. Embarrassing.
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 07:06 PM

Don't forget to pad the after the Super Bowl episode!

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 08:45 PM

And add even more time because of the power interruption.

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 10:45 PM

Did what I could remotely. Why can't we do a manual recording with DVR scheduler? Sigh...

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 06:14 AM

I can't believe they still aired it on the east coast at that late hour. I added 90 minutes. I hope I got it all.
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