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#21 OFFLINE   Drew2k

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Posted 02 October 2012 - 12:10 PM

OT, but PBS's Masterpiece Mystery is really an embarrassment of riches, IMHO. Morse, Lewis, Wallander, Foyle, Holmes, Poirot, Marple. I think I look forward to those as much (or more) as anything else I watch on TV.

On the OT front, PBS edits Masterpiece Mystery and cuts scenes, so when possible, go to Netflix or get the DVDs!

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Posted 02 October 2012 - 12:20 PM

Dr. Watson being a Mets fan, made my night.

I thought that both of the main characters were supposed to be very smart people. What happened? :D:lol:

All kidding aside...this could be a good "keeper" show.
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Posted 02 October 2012 - 01:14 PM

Me and Mrs. R really liked it. The Mets fan bit at the end made me giggle...because I...


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Posted 02 October 2012 - 05:17 PM

Will give it a chance but it seemed to me like Monk, psych, mentalist and perception all rolled into one but on super fast forward.


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Given the number of those better shows, this one adds almost nothing more to the mix. I was quit unimpressed, especially since Watson found the clue that solved the mystery. I don't recall that ever happening in the Doyle books.
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Posted 03 October 2012 - 11:40 AM

Come on, really how hard is it to deduce that the Mets will lose???
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Posted 03 October 2012 - 12:02 PM

Come on, really how hard is it to deduce that the Mets will lose???


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Posted 03 October 2012 - 12:47 PM

Come on, really how hard is it to deduce that the Mets will lose???

Elementary indeed. :lol:
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Posted 07 October 2012 - 11:37 AM

I thought episode 2 was better than the pilot, with the mystery more Holmes-like. The only weak point was the forced and clumsy scene at the AA meeting.
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Posted 10 October 2012 - 02:48 PM

Oh come on, the histrionic scene in the hospital room was worse than the one at the AA meeting.
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Posted 11 October 2012 - 12:35 PM

Will give it a chance but it seemed to me like Monk, psych, mentalist and perception all rolled into one but on super fast forward.


+1

Wife and I had the same conclusion at first commercial.

Still, we'll stick with it for a while and see where it goes. Series usually take at least four or five episodes to get a good read.
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Posted 23 October 2012 - 10:57 PM

CBS Gives Full Season Orders to Television's #1 and #2 New Series - "Vegas" and "Elementary"


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Posted 14 November 2012 - 07:41 PM

CBS Gives Full Season Orders to Television's #1 and #2 New Series - "Vegas" and "Elementary"


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From that one would have to deduce that some of the naysayers here must have very sore &&&holes, from having to pull so much stuff that huge out of them.

First, I like both shows very much and for a number of reasons. I am hardly surprised by the pickups.

Second, all TV is derivative, with the possible exceptions of Star Trek and Fringe. Get over it. There isn't a cop procedural or private detective show, book, or movie out there that doesn't owe something to Arthur Conan Doyle, just like there isn't a building built today that doesn't owe something to Frank Lloyd Wright.

Elementary is highly derivative, by definition. How could it not be? I think we all knew that going in. It takes balls to even attempt this. They pulled it off in spite of all of that. Period.
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Posted 15 November 2012 - 04:22 PM

I am not the least surprised about Elementary. It has had consistently high ratings, despite as TomCat has said, being derivative. :) But Vegas, which I actually like MORE than Elementary has been getting relatively poor ratings and sources like TVBYTHENUMBERS had is listed as likely to be cancelled. I am surprised that it was given the full season, pleasantly surprised.

I assumed The Mob Doctor was done for, but I was wrong about that too. Not doing too well with my predictions this year I guess. Beauty and the Beast was on my cancellation list too.
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 10:12 AM

From that one would have to deduce that some of the naysayers here must have very sore &&&holes, from having to pull so much stuff that huge out of them.

First, I like both shows very much and for a number of reasons. I am hardly surprised by the pickups.

Second, all TV is derivative, with the possible exceptions of Star Trek and Fringe. Get over it. There isn't a cop procedural or private detective show, book, or movie out there that doesn't owe something to Arthur Conan Doyle, just like there isn't a building built today that doesn't owe something to Frank Lloyd Wright.

Elementary is highly derivative, by definition. How could it not be? I think we all knew that going in. It takes balls to even attempt this. They pulled it off in spite of all of that. Period.


I watch Elementary a lot, but other than being named Holmes, speaking with a British accent and saying things like "...elementary my dear Watson...", I think the derivations stop there. Any crime investigator worth his/her salt can "deduce" the details of a crime. I love what Mr. Doyle did with his character, but that didn't give him exclusive rights to common sense or to the powers of observation.

I would also think we owe just a little bit more to Mr. Carnegie than we do Mr. Wright when it comes to buildings.
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 09:35 PM

I wonder when they will do "Hounds of Baskerville" episode. The attempt to do that story on the BBC show Sherlock was horrid.
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Posted 17 November 2012 - 10:01 AM

I wonder when they will do "Hounds of Baskerville" episode. The attempt to do that story on the BBC show Sherlock was horrid.


If that happens, then I will have to shake my head and agree with TomCat. :nono2:
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Posted 17 November 2012 - 04:03 PM

From that one would have to deduce that some of the naysayers here must have very sore &&&holes, from having to pull so much stuff that huge out of them.


Just because you enjoy a show and others don't doesn't require the hurling of insults. Yes, ratings for Elementary are good, and I was one of the estimated 10.75 million viewers last Thursday. But from that number you might also deduce that roughly 300 million Americans didn't bother to watch.
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Posted 21 November 2012 - 07:54 PM

I watch Elementary a lot, but other than being named Holmes, speaking with a British accent and saying things like "...elementary my dear Watson...", I think the derivations stop there...

You watch it a lot, do you? I've seen them all and they have never been so crass as to even approach using that phrase or anything close to it, so it is doubtful that you have any idea what you are talking about. Were they to do that, they would be the first show to actually be "laughed" off of television since Cop Rock. This is the same exact reason why Arrow, which is based on Green Arrow from DC comics, has never metioned the word "green". No one would dare to be that "on the nose".

I would also think we owe just a little bit more to Mr. Carnegie than we do Mr. Wright when it comes to buildings.

Actually we owe more to the Greeks than either of these, but I'm a little startled that the name Carnegie was mentioned. The two most famous Carnegies, Andrew and Dale, were an industrialist/philathropist and a public speaking guru. Neither of them seem to have ever drawn a blueprint or conceptualized a building, and neither is known for architecture. Both may be seminally influential, but not in anything connected to architecture, other than Carnegie Mellon has one of the premiere Architecture Schools. But lots of prestigious Ivy League schools have respected architecture divisions, and that is just one division of Carnegie Mellon.

But assuming that the mind of Andrew Carnegie was seminally influential to architecture is like assuming that the mind of Mitt Romney is seminally influential to car elevators. Just like the only connection Mitt Romney has to car elevators is that he bought one, Carnegie's connection to architecture is that he had a gazillion bucks and seeded this venture financially, as well as libraries, museums (some with impressive architecture collections) and loads of other things.

Architecture is a footnote in his career, and not directly and only by default. He was not one, and those who finance schools are not necessarily, and not at all in this case, seminally influential in the courses or students, or their creations, that arise from their philanthropy.

FLW, on the other hand, has been studied extensively by every architect born since he died in 1959, and is covered extensively in every architecture program in the world including the one at Carnegie Mellon. His structures have influenced every architect born in the last 100 years, and either directly or indirectly, every building built in the last 75. Rather than simply give money to schools and libraries he possessed the mind that came up with all of the now-standard ways of doing things. Other than being famous, there is not much at all that both men had in common, and it seems pretty much a stretch to compare them to each other directly in FLW's wheelhouse.

FLW was as much of a genius as you can ever find, and he makes Steve Jobs look like a piker by comparison. Carnegie was simply the bank. It does not require genius or an ability to be seminally influential if your outstanding attributes are that you are simply rich and lucky.

Maybe I was sick that school day, or asleep, but if not Andrew Carnegie I have no earthly idea what Carnegie you are talking about. If we were playing Password and the clue was "architect", what would your answer be? Carnegie? or FLW? Maybe that goes back to the original problem pointed out above in my response to the first quote.

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 10:40 AM

You watch it a lot, do you? I've seen them all and they have never been so crass as to even approach using that phrase or anything close to it, so it is doubtful that you have any idea what you are talking about. Were they to do that, they would be the first show to actually be "laughed" off of television since Cop Rock. This is the same exact reason why Arrow, which is based on Green Arrow from DC comics, has never metioned the word "green". No one would dare to be that "on the nose".

Actually we owe more to the Greeks than either of these, but I'm a little startled that the name Carnegie was mentioned. The two most famous Carnegies, Andrew and Dale, were an industrialist/philathropist and a public speaking guru. Neither of them seem to have ever drawn a blueprint or conceptualized a building, and neither is known for architecture. Both may be seminally influential, but not in anything connected to architecture, other than Carnegie Mellon has one of the premiere Architecture Schools. But lots of prestigious Ivy League schools have respected architecture divisions, and that is just one division of Carnegie Mellon.

But assuming that the mind of Andrew Carnegie was seminally influential to architecture is like assuming that the mind of Mitt Romney is seminally influential to car elevators. Just like the only connection Mitt Romney has to car elevators is that he bought one, Carnegie's connection to architecture is that he had a gazillion bucks and seeded this venture financially, as well as libraries, museums (some with impressive architecture collections) and loads of other things.

Architecture is a footnote in his career, and not directly and only by default. He was not one, and those who finance schools are not necessarily, and not at all in this case, seminally influential in the courses or students, or their creations, that arise from their philanthropy.

FLW, on the other hand, has been studied extensively by every architect born since he died in 1959, and is covered extensively in every architecture program in the world including the one at Carnegie Mellon. His structures have influenced every architect born in the last 100 years, and either directly or indirectly, every building built in the last 75. Rather than simply give money to schools and libraries he possessed the mind that came up with all of the now-standard ways of doing things. Other than being famous, there is not much at all that both men had in common, and it seems pretty much a stretch to compare them to each other directly in FLW's wheelhouse.

FLW was as much of a genius as you can ever find, and he makes Steve Jobs look like a piker by comparison. Carnegie was simply the bank. It does not require genius or an ability to be seminally influential if your outstanding attributes are that you are simply rich and lucky.

Maybe I was sick that school day, or asleep, but if not Andrew Carnegie I have no earthly idea what Carnegie you are talking about. If we were playing Password and the clue was "architect", what would your answer be? Carnegie? or FLW? Maybe that goes back to the original problem pointed out above in my response to the first quote.


Actually, Sherlock never said "Elementary, my dear Watson" either. :P

OTOH, Andrew Carnegie built the steel industry. Mr. Wright would be hard pressed to construct a cantilever without it.
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Posted 22 November 2012 - 01:45 PM

Actually, Sherlock never said "Elementary, my dear Watson" either. :P

OTOH, Andrew Carnegie built the steel industry. Mr. Wright would be hard pressed to construct a cantilever without it.


However Holmes did say
"Elementary" and "... my dear Watson" in "The Crooked Man". William Gillette first uttered the now famous quote in the play he wrote and starred in as Sherlock Holmes.
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