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#261 OFFLINE   HoTat2

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Posted 14 June 2013 - 02:58 PM

I don't care that the Astros are doing awful, I still want to watch them.

And that is precisely why DIRECTV want's to put RSNs that carry from awful to so-so teams like the Astros in an optional sports tier, so those (like you) who still want them anyway can pay for them.

 

But SNH and others say no sell and want all subs in Houston and surrounding areas to pay for it by placing them in the basic programming tiers to rake in big bucks.      


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#262 OFFLINE   dstout

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Posted 15 June 2013 - 07:47 PM

The Houston Chronicle has a blurb quoting Reid Ryan saying it is very possible deals do not get done this season.

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Posted 15 June 2013 - 08:02 PM

The Houston Chronicle has a blurb quoting Reid Ryan saying it is very possible deals do not get done this season.

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I think we figured that out eons ago.



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Posted 16 June 2013 - 05:59 AM

You do know who he is, right? New president of the team. Crane said he expected something to happen soon earlier in the week.

 

 

I think we figured that out eons ago.



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Posted 19 June 2013 - 08:20 PM

Well yeah, but he isn't saying anything we don't know.



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Posted 20 June 2013 - 05:54 PM

The part I thought was interesting is the owner and the team president had conflicting comments on the CSN situation.

 

 

Well yeah, but he isn't saying anything we don't know.



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Posted 05 July 2013 - 09:33 PM

Now that Dwight Howard has joined the Rockets, do you think we'll finally get CSN Houston?

 

I don't think anything will change, to be honest. :nono2:



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Posted 05 July 2013 - 09:46 PM

Now that Dwight Howard has joined the Rockets, do you think we'll finally get CSN Houston?

 

 

Les is a very rich man, but even he needs some TV revenue, so CSNH better get something done fairly soon with the major MVPDs or they're going to be bleeding more than just last-place-Astro cash.


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Posted 06 July 2013 - 03:57 PM

Now that Dwight Howard has joined the Rockets, do you think we'll finally get CSN Houston?

 

I don't think anything will change, to be honest. :nono2:

If anything, CSN Houston will ask for an even more ridiculous sum of money for the channel.



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Posted 20 July 2013 - 10:33 AM

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Howard to Rockets unlikely to get CSN Houston carriage dispute settled

 

 

On back-to-back days earlier this month, Jarred Cosart and Dwight Howard gave Houston fans ample reasons to dream of better days.

 

Cosart, arguably the best pitching prospect in the Astros' system, took a no-hitter into the seventh inning of his major league debut and claimed his first career win against the Tampa Bay Rays.

 

The next morning, more than 10,000 fans jammed into a downtown park to welcome Howard, the NBA's top-ranked free agent, to the Rockets to play alongside James Harden, Chandler Parsons and Jeremy Lin.

 

For Astros fans, Cosart's debut gives credence to general manager Jeff Luhnow's long-term rebuilding plan as the team struggles toward what likely will be a third consecutive 100-loss season.

 

For Rockets fans, Howard represents arguably the final piece of the puzzle in the team's drive toward contention for an NBA title.

 

But the harsh reality for daydreaming fans is that neither Cosart nor Howard, at least for the moment, packs enough marketing punch to guarantee that all Rockets fans in the 20-county Houston designated market area and all Astros fans across a five-state area will have full access to their games on Comcast SportsNet Houston.

 

One analyst, in fact, recently predicted that full access for fans who subscribe to DirecTV, Dish Network, AT&T U-verse and other systems will require not only months, but years, to become reality.

And so hope and determination are mixed with - and heightened by - anger and frustration as the Astros return to Minute Maid Park on Friday after the All-Star break and Howard works out with Parsons, Harden and others in advance of Rockets training camp this fall.

 

"It is inappropriate to go into another season without our fans throughout the Houston area being able to see our team," said Rockets CEO Tad Brown, a member of CSN Houston's four-member board of directors. "We're going to do everything possible to see that the deals happen. Carriage is the only thing that matters to the fans. Everything else is just window dressing."

 

CSNH 'has been a bust'

CSN Houston, which launched in October 2012 and is owned by the Astros, Rockets and NBC Sports Group, is available in about 40 percent of the 2.2 million TV households in the Houston area and in scattered pockets across Texas, Oklahoma, Louisiana, Arkansas and New Mexico.

 

Owing to its inability to reach full carriage, the network has become symbolic of the ongoing national faceoff between revenue-hungry teams and networks and cost-conscious cable, satellite and TV providers.

 

SNL Kagan, which compiles research and information on the media and communications industry, said in a recent report to subscribers that while the regional sports network model continues to succeed in some markets, CSN Houston "has been a bust."

 

"Unless the Rockets and Astros can step up their game, few fans are going to tune in and give CSN Houston the ratings that would warrant wider distribution within its footprint," the report said.

SNL Kagan predicts CSN Houston will be unable to strike carriage deals until 2014 with Suddenlink, which services the Kingwood area and dozens of other markets across the five-state area, and 2015 with DirecTV. No projection was given for U-verse, and SNL Kagan said a deal with Dish Network is "unlikely," given its current stance on subscriber fees with regional sports networks.

 

A former AT&T official recently told an industry conference in New York that "viewer intensity" was so low in one of its key markets - presumably Houston - that U-verse did not fear losing customers if it delayed signing a deal with CSN Houston.

 

And one network official said privately this week that even with Howard in a Rockets uniform, CSN Houston's requested monthly subscriber fee is still too high.

 

Team and network officials disagree with the carriers and the analysts on both fronts.

 

Matt Hutchings, president and general manager of CSN Houston, has described the Howard signing as "a game-changer on multiple levels" and said CSN Houston "is very much in demand" by local viewers.

 

Price remains a key issue for both sides, but distribution is critical, too, and the unique nature of the CSN Houston footprint continues to complicate matters.

 

Rockets games are limited by NBA territorial restrictions to the area stretching northeast from the Rio Grande Valley into Central and Northeast Texas and portions of Louisiana. However, Rockets games cannot be seen in Dallas-Fort Worth, San Antonio or Austin, the other three major markets in Texas, or in the area west of Interstate 35 because of those restrictions, which blunts the impact of Howard's acquisition.

 

Astros games, by comparison, can be beamed across the entire five-state region. But the Astros share the territory with Rangers games on Fox Sports Southwest, which has been carried for decades by most satellite and cable providers. And for fans across north and west Texas and, increasingly, along the Interstate 35 corridor, the Astros are a relative afterthought to the Rangers.

 

Astros barely a blip

 

While it would benefit the Rockets to agree to a deal that would provide immediate, full carriage in the Houston "inner market" while talks continue on the outer markets, Hutchings confirmed once more last week that all of CSN Houston's carriage talks focus on a deal that would cover the entire five-state region.

 

While carriage talks continue, the Astros - and, as a result, Major League Baseball itself - have become an afterthought to many Houston fans as well.

 

Astros games at the midway point of the season were averaging a 0.43 Nielsen rating, with an average audience of about 10,000 households. That's down 66 percent from last year, which would be consistent with the drop from full carriage on FS Houston last year to CSN Houston in 2013.

 

Sports Business Journal notes that the Astros' 2013 rating is the lowest for any MLB team since 2008.

 

While Astros viewership has dropped, local viewers in the area have not flocked to the Rangers, whose games are averaging a 0.16 Nielsen rating in Houston.

 

In large part, the Astros and Rockets signed with Comcast, which outbid Fox Sports and DirecTV for the rights to start the new network, because of its superior reach in the Houston area (about 680,000 households, according to SNL Kagan, to about 300,000 for Dish Network, 340,000 for U-verse and 380,000 for DirecTV).

 

But the inability to sign carriage deals means CSN Houston continues to fall short of revenue projections.

 

Astros owner Jim Crane said in mid-May that the network faced "tough decisions" as a result of its limited revenue and that additional investment would be required from the Astros, who own 46.4 percent of the network, the Rockets (30.9 percent) and NBC (22.7 percent).

 

SNL Kagan estimates that the network will have negative cash flow of almost $200 million over its first three years and will not become profitable until 2015. It estimates that monthly subscriber fees averaged $2.80 in 2012 and will increase to $4.17 per month by 2017.

 

Hutchings, however, said CSN Houston has not had to reduce coverage because of limited income and that the network partners "have expressed their belief in this business and fully support it."

As with every logjam, it just takes one agreement, be it with DirecTV, U-verse, Dish or Suddenlink, to get the ball rolling in the network's direction. From the Rockets' standpoint, Brown believes Howard is just the guy to get things moving.

 

"Dwight is going to provide an opportunity for us," Brown said. "The pressure in the Houston market because of his presence will be so significant that we will get deals done."



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Posted 20 July 2013 - 12:00 PM

To the surprise of no one.



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Posted 20 July 2013 - 09:11 PM

Is CSN Houston really still operating? That somewhat surprises me.


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Posted 21 July 2013 - 02:05 AM

I still say this is the first shot across the bow, its going to get a lot worse everywhere. I don't expect the Dodgers channel to get picked up next year,nor the sec or pac12 channels till they agree to separate tiers or something of that nature.

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Posted 21 July 2013 - 07:12 AM

The SEC channel has already been picked up by AT&T.

 

I still say this is the first shot across the bow, its going to get a lot worse everywhere. I don't expect the Dodgers channel to get picked up next year,nor the sec or pac12 channels till they agree to separate tiers or something of that nature.



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Posted 21 July 2013 - 12:41 PM

That doesn't mean squat for dtv. They are not at all worried about anyone else otherwise they'd have picked up pac12 when dish did.

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Posted 21 July 2013 - 01:41 PM

I just found out I can't even get Comcast in my area, so I'm very out of luck when it comes to watching any Rockets' games. Ugh.



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Posted 18 September 2013 - 09:43 PM

http://blogs.houston...an_1000_vie.php

 

 

 

According to a report from Deadspin and the Chron, that game got a .04 Nielsen rating, which is the equivalent of about 1,000 viewers, a record low for the Astros in Houston.

To make matters worse, and to further illustrate just how bad it has gotten for the 'Stros and CSN Houston, a WNBA game between Chicago and Minnesota on NBA-TV drew about 1,500 viewers. 

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It's bad enough that the team is going to have its third 100-loss season in a row. But, with the apathy shown by team ownership in fixing this CSN Houston disaster, it's almost criminal what Jim Crane and the Astros are doing to baseball in Houston.


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Posted 19 September 2013 - 11:39 AM

I knew it was bad in Houston (and I even heard about that record low rating), but even I can't believe an out-of-market WNBA game would outrate the Astros in Houston.

 

The sad part is that the Astros are among the most profitable teams in baseball.  You can clearly see what's important to this franchise.



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Posted 19 September 2013 - 07:20 PM

Yes -- this stupid situation with Crane and CSN Houston is really threatening to kill virtually all interest in Astros baseball, as if the team's three straight 100-loss seasons and management seemingly not trying to win weren't enough.  Even if they get some of what they want from the cable and satellite providers who don't yet carry them, the term "Pyrrhic victory" comes to mind....  


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Posted 23 September 2013 - 04:23 PM

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According to Nielsen, nobody watched Astros-Indians game Sunday

 

Even though the Texans lost Sunday to the Ravens, from the perspective of the Nielsen Co., they pitched a shutout in front of Houston television viewers.

 

The Texans’ loss at Baltimore was seen by an average audience of 23 percent of Houston’s 2.28 million TV households, or about 526,553 households, on KHOU (Channel 11).

 

And the Astros’ noon game at Cleveland on Comcast SportsNet Houston?

 

0.00 Nielsen rating, with an average audience of zero households.

 

For the first time in the Astros’ history as one of the first Major League Baseball teams to distribute their games over cable, they played a game Sunday afternoon and, according to Nielsen, nobody watched.

 

There are a couple of asterisks involved here, of course. For one thing, Nielsen persists with the statistically supportable but still head-shaking concept that it can measure what millions of television viewers are watching by monitoring the behavior of hundreds.

 

On Sunday, for example, Nielsen had reports from 581 meters in Greater Houston. In any given quarter-hour between noon and 3 p.m. Sunday, anywhere from 47.6 to 52.6 percent of those meters (roughly 270 to 300) were in use by viewers watching television.

 

But none of them – not a single, solitary Nielsen household – tuned in to watch the Astros lose to the Indians for their ninth consecutive loss and their 105th defeat of the year.


Edited by Snickering Hound, 23 September 2013 - 04:27 PM.





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