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#51 OFFLINE   TXD16

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 03:08 PM

I wouldn't say heat is on with this. This is the same out spin "call your provider and let them know") that we see with every dispute.


Yeah, but you didn't see the sweat on the brow of the Comcast spokesman last night like I did. ;)

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 03:32 PM

so why is the Rocket game on Comcast on league pass but the Time Warner laker games not on league pass. Im not in either teams territory. Last night I only had the Detroit feed on LP.

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 04:52 PM

Yeah, but you didn't see the sweat on the brow of the Comcast spokesman last night like I did. ;)


Sure i did. I live in the Woodlands.

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 05:18 PM

so why is the Rocket game on Comcast on league pass but the Time Warner laker games not on league pass. Im not in either teams territory. Last night I only had the Detroit feed on LP.


I don't think you will see the twc feed unless there is no other feed available for them to use.

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 09:10 PM

I don't understand that either.. CSN Phily is not on LP but CSN HOU and CSN NW are...

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 09:54 PM

Yeah, but you didn't see the sweat on the brow of the Comcast spokesman last night like I did. ;)


Nah, they have thick skin. 5 yrs now in Portland for the Blazers....no way this channel ends up on Directv unless a change in culture comes about.....why would they add Houston and not Portland or Philadelphia? Very telling right there....

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Posted 06 November 2012 - 07:27 AM

Nah, they have thick skin. 5 yrs now in Portland for the Blazers....no way this channel ends up on Directv unless a change in culture comes about.....why would they add Houston and not Portland or Philadelphia? Very telling right there....


CSN Philly is a different situation.

There are already other CSN on directv. Mid Atlantic California Bay Area Chicago New England New York. CSN Philly is not indicative of CSN Houston's chances.

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Posted 06 November 2012 - 01:33 PM

Nah, they have thick skin. 5 yrs now in Portland for the Blazers....no way this channel ends up on Directv unless a change in culture comes about.....why would they add Houston and not Portland or Philadelphia? Very telling right there....


Kinda apples and oranges.

The Trailblazers approached Comcast Sportsnet Northwest after they were dropped by Fox Sports after the 06-07 season. Comcast owns the channel and are quite happy to have the exclusive rights and putting the screws to providers that would like to show the games. The Trailblazers are actually ticked off about the situation.

Comcast Sportnet Houston on the other hand is only 20% owned by Comcast NBC with the Astros owning 40ish% and the Rockets 30ish%.

I'd guess that the Astros and Comcast are both holding out hoping for a better deal but by Spring when the Astros are about to start up there will be a deal.

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 01:03 PM

Directv needs to just get it's act together and add CSN Houston. It's a shame they can't make a deal with Comcast and it's not right for customers in Houston to be without those channels. Stop being cheap and add the channel.

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 01:54 PM

Directv needs to just get it's act together and add CSN Houston. It's a shame they can't make a deal with Comcast and it's not right for customers in Houston to be without those channels. Stop being cheap and add the channel.


Stop being cheap??? Comments like that annoy me. I'm not saying you are one of these people but it's very annoying when people complain about a channel agreement not being reached but if they add the channel and rates go up they want to complain about that. You can't have it both ways. The provider is in a no win. I'm a huge sports fan but I applaud DirecTV for standing up and not giving in to these high over priced sporting networks. And I live in an Astros and Rockets DMA so right now I can't see either.
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Posted 07 November 2012 - 03:46 PM

Stop being cheap??? Comments like that annoy me.

If those comments annoy you that's fine. Every is in titled to their opinion. I just want to directv to make a deal soon to bring CSN Houston to the air on directv. So don't get all bent out of shape before making those comments.

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 03:49 PM

If those comments annoy you that's fine. Every is in titled to their opinion. I just want to directv to make a deal soon to bring CSN Houston to the air on directv. So don't get all bent out of shape before making those comments.


Appreciate your support, but you don't live anywhere near the Houston DMA. Exactly how does this affect you?

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 04:05 PM

Appreciate your support, but you don't live anywhere near the Houston DMA. Exactly how does this affect you?


Are you saying people outside the Houston DMA aren't entitled to an opinion regarding local RSN's like this Houston channel and the TWC channels in Los Angeles?

Remember: People with NBA League Pass or MLB Extra Innings (next year) that are a fan of a Houston team but do not live in the Houston area.... might be interested in the HOME feed of the team, instead of having to always watch the AWAY feed because DirecTV doesn't carry this channel.

Additionally: Although RSN's are local, in the long run ALL expenses are carried by ALL customers. It is much more acceptable to raise the price for all 20 million DirecTV customers by e.g. $0.50, and pay for RSN's in Houston, Los Angeles, New Orleans, etc, where a $5 increase in the DMA itself to pay for the channel might not fall all that well with local DirecTV customers. In any case, if DirecTV decides to add a channel, everyone pays a little bit. This is compounded by those with Sports Pack. Certain markets with expensive (or a lot of) RSN's might be charged a "regional sports fee" of some kind.... but in the end, any channel added will affect the bill of all customers somehow, someway.

This goes for everything: Customers in Montana, Mississippi or Maine are helping to pay for expensive gas prices (for DirecTV vans) in California, New York, or Florida. Your not getting a discount because you live in a cheap place with cheap/few locals and cheap gas.

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 04:23 PM

Remember: People with NBA League Pass or MLB Extra Innings (next year) that are a fan of a Houston team but do not live in the Houston area.... might be interested in the HOME feed of the team, instead of having to always watch the AWAY feed because DirecTV doesn't carry this channel.


Forget CSN or Directv. Statements like this one tell me how spoiled we have become as sports fans. Not so long ago, we were lucky to get ANY games of out of market teams. Then we were lucky to get things like EI with many GAMES missing. Now, we almost demand and expect our preferred feed of each and every game.

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 08:05 PM

Forget CSN or Directv. Statements like this one tell me how spoiled we have become as sports fans. Not so long ago, we were lucky to get ANY games of out of market teams. Then we were lucky to get things like EI with many GAMES missing. Now, we almost demand and expect our preferred feed of each and every game.

If you get to watch the game, be satisfied.


You can get the CSN rockets feed on LP out of market. I'm watching it right now.

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 09:02 AM

And the war of the words continues.

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 01:46 AM

Alright now that LA got its channel - what about us?!?!?

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 08:06 AM

Alright now that LA got its channel - what about us?!?!?


Portland still does not have it and why would you expect Houston to be any different. LA has about 1.7M Directv subs, about 10% of the overall footprint for Directv Reports suggest quite a few are leaving, making a big dent in Directv's overall viewership. If Houston has the same high percentage numbers then it will sway Directv. If not, join us in Portland w/o the NBA. It's that simple....

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 08:29 AM

Portland still does not have it and why would you expect Houston to be any different. LA has about 1.7M Directv subs, about 10% of the overall footprint for Directv Reports suggest quite a few are leaving, making a big dent in Directv's overall viewership. If Houston has the same high percentage numbers then it will sway Directv. If not, join us in Portland w/o the NBA. It's that simple....


No offense but here are a few things to consider.

1) Houston is the 5th largest Metro area... Portand is 23rd. To put this in context - Houston is nearly 3x the size of Portland.

2) Many Comcast SportsNet channels are actually already on Directv. Chicago, California, Bay Area, SNY. What does CSN Houston channels have in common with these channels? The fact that Comcast doesn't own them entirely and splits ownership with the sports teams they serve - just like CSN Houston. Northwest and Philly are owned by Comcast entirely, and I believe that's why they aren't on Directv.

3) CSN Houston features both the Astros and the Rockets. I'm sure you don't know anything about the way the Texas market works, but the entire state of Texas is the market for both the Astros and the Rangers. It's codified into law. If you are in El Paso, Laredo, Austin, San Antonio, Dallas - wherever - you are eligible to get the Astros feed (same thing with the Rangers too). So it's not just about penetration in Houston... It's about penetration statewide... I'm pretty sure a state of 26M people is on Directv's radar in terms of footprint. Certainly more so than a state of 3.8M.

Again no offense... You asked why Houston is different than Portland. I'm just answering your question. Please don't take any of my comments as an attack on Portland or Oregon. It's a lovely city, and Oregon is a lovely state.

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 08:33 AM

Portland still does not have it and why would you expect Houston to be any different. LA has about 1.7M Directv subs, about 10% of the overall footprint for Directv Reports suggest quite a few are leaving, making a big dent in Directv's overall viewership. If Houston has the same high percentage numbers then it will sway Directv. If not, join us in Portland w/o the NBA. It's that simple....


Reports can be wrong. My understanding is that churn in LA was lower than expected.
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 08:38 AM

No offense but here are a few things to consider.

1) Houston is the 5th largest Metro area... Portand is 23rd. To put this in context - Houston is nearly 3x the size of Portland.

2) Many Comcast SportsNet channels are actually already on Directv. Mid-Atlantic, Chicago, California, Bay Area, SNY. What does CSN channels have in common with these channels? The fact that Comcast doesn't own them entirely and splits ownership with the sports teams they serve - just like CSN Houston. Northwest and Philly are owned by Comcast entirely, and I believe that's why they aren't on Directv.

3) CSN Houston features both the Astros and the Rockets. I'm sure you don't know anything about the way the Texas market works, but the entire state of Texas is the market for both the Astros and the Rangers. It's codified into law. If you are in El Paso, Laredo, Austin, San Antonio, Dallas - wherever - you are eligible to get the Astros feed (same thing with the Rangers too). So it's not just about penetration in Houston... It's about penetration statewide... I'm pretty sure a state of 26M people is on Directv's radar in terms of footprint. Certainly more so than a state of 3.8M.

Again no offense... You asked why Houston is different than Portland. I'm just answering your question. Please don't take any of my comments as an attack on Portland or Oregon. It's a lovely city, and Oregon is a lovely state.


Small correction. I don't know of any ownership deal between CSN mid Atlantic and the Wizards or Caps. CSN mid Atlantic is legacy. It was Home Team Sports when Comcast bought it and contracts were already in place.
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 08:45 AM

Small correction. I don't know of any ownership deal between CSN mid Atlantic and the Wizards or Caps. CSN mid Atlantic is legacy. It was Home Team Sports when Comcast bought it and contracts were already in place.


Ah yes... you are correct.. But my point is still valid. Where CSN has carriage issues its with the channels that are 100% owned by Comcast and not the ones where they split ownership with the local sports teams. :)

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 09:07 AM

Ah yes... you are correct.. But my point is still valid. Where CSN has carriage issues its with the channels that are 100% owned by Comcast and not the ones where they split ownership with the local sports teams. :)


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Posted 16 November 2012 - 01:34 PM

No offense but here are a few things to consider.

1) Houston is the 5th largest Metro area... Portand is 23rd. To put this in context - Houston is nearly 3x the size of Portland.


yep....many more "non-watching" eyeballs to pay for then as well.

2) Many Comcast SportsNet channels are actually already on Directv. Chicago, California, Bay Area, SNY. What does CSN Houston channels have in common with these channels? The fact that Comcast doesn't own them entirely and splits ownership with the sports teams they serve - just like CSN Houston. Northwest and Philly are owned by Comcast entirely, and I believe that's why they aren't on Directv.


All of this Comcast channels have been on a long time, essentially legacies from the time when Directv (and Dish) were doing their best to lure customers. CSN Cal, CSN bay Area are former Fox outlets that were merged into Comcast. To my knowledge no new RSNs (besides the Lakers) have been added to Directv in over 6 or 7 years, except FSN San Diego - and that's likely because I understand Directv pulled off Prime Ticket at the same time from it's system for San Diego customers.

3) CSN Houston features both the Astros and the Rockets. I'm sure you don't know anything about the way the Texas market works, but the entire state of Texas is the market for both the Astros and the Rangers. It's codified into law. If you are in El Paso, Laredo, Austin, San Antonio, Dallas - wherever - you are eligible to get the Astros feed (same thing with the Rangers too). So it's not just about penetration in Houston... It's about penetration statewide... I'm pretty sure a state of 26M people is on Directv's radar in terms of footprint. Certainly more so than a state of 3.8M.

Again no offense... You asked why Houston is different than Portland. I'm just answering your question. Please don't take any of my comments as an attack on Portland or Oregon. It's a lovely city, and Oregon is a lovely state.


You are right I didn't know the whole situation with the whole state, etc. That's fine. I think that works backwards for you guys. The MORE distribution a channel has the MORE cost it has. Let's face it, a guy in Houston may be OK with paying more to watch the Rockets....but is a guy in Midland, Odessa, El Paso,etc. just as interested in seeing his bill go up?

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 01:35 PM

Tick-tock, tick-tock.

I view the Laker's agreement as a positive sign and one that indicates we are getting closer in Houston to a CSN agreement (Satelliteracer, feel free to correct me here if I'm wrong :lol:). If nothing else, it clearly demonstrates that both DIRECTV and TWC were willing to deal in good faith. The $64,000 question is, is Comcast as willing to deal in similar good faith?

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