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#126 OFFLINE   jagrim

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 03:54 PM

As they see it, substandard teams need higher revenue to bring "titles" back to Houston.

Charge more for your season tickets if you need more revenue.

I don't want my bill to increase to subsidize their mistakes.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 07:58 PM

I think this issue is with Comcast more than anything, that is why they don't carry CSN Philly either, as for Time Warner well that is where Directv main headquarters is so is no surprise for L.A plus the C.E.O of Time Warner used to work for Directv

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 05:34 PM

CSN Houston needs to just get a deal done ASAP and sign a deal with Directv my goodness. This has gone on far too long. A deal should of been made months ago. If I miss some Astros games during spring training or the season because CSN Houston does not have a deal with Directv the Astros fan base is not going to like this not being able to see their games on Directv and outside of Houston on MLB Extra Innings. All we ask CSN Houston is to just get a deal done with Directv. Is that too much to ask?

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 11:00 PM

CSN Houston needs to just get a deal done ASAP and sign a deal with Directv my goodness. This has gone on far too long. A deal should of been made months ago. If I miss some Astros games during spring training or the season because CSN Houston does not have a deal with Directv the Astros fan base is not going to like this not being able to see their games on Directv and outside of Houston on MLB Extra Innings. All we ask CSN Houston is to just get a deal done with Directv. Is that too much to ask?


Why does a deal have to be made? It will when it is in DirecTV's interests to do so.

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 12:06 AM

CSN Houston needs to just get a deal done ASAP and sign a deal with Directv my goodness. This has gone on far too long. A deal should of been made months ago. If I miss some Astros games during spring training or the season because CSN Houston does not have a deal with Directv the Astros fan base is not going to like this not being able to see their games on Directv and outside of Houston on MLB Extra Innings. All we ask CSN Houston is to just get a deal done with Directv. Is that too much to ask?


After back to back seasons with 100+ losses and the worst record in baseball and heading into a 3rd, I'm not sure how much of a fanbase the Astros have left to complain.

http://blog.chron.co...ution-progress/

Anyway, the latest news on CSN. About all they say is that the rumor of the Astros squashing a deal was bogus...Oh and that there still is no deal but they are talking.

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 01:39 PM

Why does a deal have to be made? It will when it is in DirecTV's interests to do so.


fair enough, but important to call out how broadcast rights work in Texas. The entire state is in market for both the Rangers and Astros. Despite their losing streak of late, the Astros are extremely popular in a state that has 25MM official residents (and far more illegal). Missing out on Astro games would be akin to the impact that the Lakers were for their region. Yes, they'll make a deal when its in their best interest to do so, and its in their best interest not to let spring come around without a deal in place.

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 02:49 PM

fair enough, but important to call out how broadcast rights work in Texas. The entire state is in market for both the Rangers and Astros. Despite their losing streak of late, the Astros are extremely popular in a state that has 25MM official residents (and far more illegal). Missing out on Astro games would be akin to the impact that the Lakers were for their region. Yes, they'll make a deal when its in their best interest to do so, and its in their best interest not to let spring come around without a deal in place.


I'd imagine that the whole state deal also makes it more difficult to make a deal for a variety of reasons on both sides.
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Posted 22 January 2013 - 04:08 PM

I'd imagine that the whole state deal also makes it more difficult to make a deal for a variety of reasons on both sides.


It certainly adds viewers and $$$ to the price tag for sure.

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 05:35 PM

I'd imagine that the whole state deal also makes it more difficult to make a deal for a variety of reasons on both sides.


Lakers channel covers parts of at least three states. This is about the same an in sure lock market vs extended market pricing is part of the equation.

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 06:12 PM

Lakers channel covers parts of at least three states. This is about the same an in sure lock market vs extended market pricing is part of the equation.


And that was an easy deal?

Besides, the lakers channel covers that area because of consumer demand, not a state law.
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Posted 22 January 2013 - 10:38 PM

Lakers channel covers parts of at least three states. This is about the same an in sure lock market vs extended market pricing is part of the equation.


If you want to get technical about it the Astros market extends across several states as well. The home market for the team also includes Louisiana. Yes. California is a big state and the lakers are a popular team in it. But so is Texas. No need for you to trivialize.

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 02:25 PM

If you want to get technical about it the Astros market extends across several states as well. The home market for the team also includes Louisiana. Yes. California is a big state and the lakers are a popular team in it. But so is Texas. No need for you to trivialize.


I am not denying it. I am saying that they got the Lakers deal done pretty darn fast after the start of the season relatively speaking vs the Huston channel, and I have to think that part of the complexity is surely part of the issue, but I'm guessing price overall is the real key. We saw reports that out of main market pricing was an issue with the Lakers channel. Mere we are just hearing the price alone is the issue. That's all I'm saying.

Lord knows if the Dodgers end up with a new channel, I say DIRECTV should tell them to pound sand and not sign a deal. Its juts getting ridiculous how much they all want individually.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 07:17 PM

Astros President says a deal will be cut by opening day. Last paragraph of article.

Looks like they better since they are moving the radio to a station that can barely be received in West Houston.

http://www.chron.com...hp?t=4e4d003184

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 12:06 PM

http://blog.chron.co...ny-astros-fans/

Doesn't look like a resolution is coming anytime soon.

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 07:48 PM

We'll get plenty of baseball action watching the Rangers and Hometown Hero Lance Berkman on FSSW.

The Rockets are so-so (haven't missed them at all this season) and I'm not sure if the Astros have hit bottom yet. I'm glad that DTV is holding the line on Comcrap's outrageous pricing..

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 09:46 PM

I was a Rangers fan many years ago when I lived in West Texas and then in Oklahoma, and even though I've lived in the Houston metro area and been an Astros fan for the past 15 years or so, given the latest utter garbage spewing from CSN Houston and Jim Crane, I have the distinct feeling that I'm going to be redeveloping that Rangers feeling, especially since they're now in the same division.

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 07:40 PM

I was a Rangers fan many years ago when I lived in West Texas and then in Oklahoma, and even though I've lived in the Houston metro area and been an Astros fan for the past 15 years or so, given the latest utter garbage spewing from CSN Houston and Jim Crane, I have the distinct feeling that I'm going to be redeveloping that Rangers feeling, especially since they're now in the same division.


I think the Astros have lost sight of just how many transplants there are in Texas now a days. Many people - myself included - will be more than ok watching the Rangers. I live in Austin but get access to both teams (assuming directv carries the appropriate channels) so I would be watching the winning product probably anyway. I'm in Spurs territory, but it is a shame that the Rockets are impacted. It's a good young team with a bright future. Lin and Harden are a great duo.

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 08:12 PM

I think the Astros have lost sight of just how many transplants there are in Texas now a days. Many people - myself included - will be more than ok watching the Rangers. I live in Austin but get access to both teams (assuming directv carries the appropriate channels) so I would be watching the winning product probably anyway. I'm in Spurs territory, but it is a shame that the Rockets are impacted. It's a good young team with a bright future. Lin and Harden are a great duo.


The Astros are poised to set a third consecutive franchise record for losses in 2013, if not a MLB record, and yet yesterday, when asked about having the lowest payroll in MLB for 2013 at approximately $25 million (about $3 million less than Alex Rodriguez will earn alone), Jim Crane's response was an indignant, "It doesn't bother me that people want us to spend more money, but it's not their money. This is a private company, even though it's got a public flair to it. If they want to write a check for 10 million bucks, they can give me a call.” I have to wonder if he's just finally frustrated by the lack of shared RSN revenue or if he is really just the arrogant moron he appears to be.

In any event, combined with the obvious bad-faith negotiations with the major MVPDs, this is about as big an in-your-face-fans response as I have ever seen. What a piece of work this guy is.

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 10:03 PM

The Astros are poised to set a third consecutive franchise record for losses in 2013, if not a MLB record, and yet yesterday, when asked about having the lowest payroll in MLB for 2013 at approximately $25 million (about $3 million less than Alex Rodriguez will earn alone), Jim Crane's response was an indignant, "It doesn't bother me that people want us to spend more money, but it's not their money. This is a private company, even though it's got a public flair to it. If they want to write a check for 10 million bucks, they can give me a call.” I have to wonder if he's just finally frustrated by the lack of shared RSN revenue or if he is really just the arrogant moron he appears to be.

In any event, combined with the obvious bad-faith negotiations with the major MVPDs, this is about as big an in-your-face-fans response as I have ever seen. What a piece of work this guy is.


Just don't understand why guys like that want to own a professional sports team... with revenue sharing i guess they can make a mint - like Loria has in Miami - but it's such a shame for the community that has to suffer through guys like that. My favorite owners are the ones that do it for love of the game. If that's the way Crane sees it - i hope he never gets his deal, even if that has a negative impact on me... Like I said, I like the Rangers better anyway.

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 10:05 PM

The Astros are poised to set a third consecutive franchise record for losses in 2013, if not a MLB record, and yet yesterday, when asked about having the lowest payroll in MLB for 2013 at approximately $25 million (about $3 million less than Alex Rodriguez will earn alone), Jim Crane's response was an indignant, "It doesn't bother me that people want us to spend more money, but it's not their money. This is a private company, even though it's got a public flair to it. If they want to write a check for 10 million bucks, they can give me a call.” I have to wonder if he's just finally frustrated by the lack of shared RSN revenue or if he is really just the arrogant moron he appears to be.

In any event, combined with the obvious bad-faith negotiations with the major MVPDs, this is about as big an in-your-face-fans response as I have ever seen. What a piece of work this guy is.


He's going to learn what kind of disadvantage this puts him at long term, when other teams are cashing in on their RSN revenue and finding ways to avoid having to contribute to revenue sharing (like the Dodgers).

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 05:42 AM

It is one thing to think something, but another to say it. I think that is a poor choice of words by Crane. Crane doesn't need to give his fanbase another reason to watch the Rangers.

The Astros are poised to set a third consecutive franchise record for losses in 2013, if not a MLB record, and yet yesterday, when asked about having the lowest payroll in MLB for 2013 at approximately $25 million (about $3 million less than Alex Rodriguez will earn alone), Jim Crane's response was an indignant, "It doesn't bother me that people want us to spend more money, but it's not their money. This is a private company, even though it's got a public flair to it. If they want to write a check for 10 million bucks, they can give me a call.” I have to wonder if he's just finally frustrated by the lack of shared RSN revenue or if he is really just the arrogant moron he appears to be.

In any event, combined with the obvious bad-faith negotiations with the major MVPDs, this is about as big an in-your-face-fans response as I have ever seen. What a piece of work this guy is.



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Posted 25 March 2013 - 08:11 AM

Is there any hope of a deal getting done soon?

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Posted 25 March 2013 - 11:58 AM

Is there any hope of a deal getting done soon?


As my Magic 8-Ball would say, "Outlook not so good."

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Posted 25 March 2013 - 12:40 PM

Usually it seems Comcast is to blame in these disputes but Comcast and DirecTV were set to agree on a deal but it was vetoed by the Astros. Believe they wanted more money per sub. Just ridiculous.
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Posted 29 March 2013 - 10:31 AM

Crane on CSN Houston impasse: ‘We will not blink’

Astros owner Jim Crane said Thursday night that as last-minute negotiations continue with DirecTV, Dish Network, AT&T U-verse and other major providers over carriage deals for Comcast SportsNet Houston, “We’re not going to blink.”

Crane’s comments on KILT (610 AM) came a few hours after CSN president and general manager Matt Hutchings said he was becoming less confident deals can be struck before CSN’s first Astros game broadcast Tuesday.

Hutchings said talks could hinge on viewers’ willingness to call their carriers and complain about the absence of CSN Houston, which is owned by the Rockets, Astros and NBC Sports Group.

Crane speculated that viewer pressure could bring a quick end to the impasse that has existed since the network signed on last fall.

“One of these big carriers — Direc(TV), Time Warner, AT&T — one of them will fall into place very quickly, and the thing should move forward very fast,” he said. “We’re willing to make some concessions here. We’re not silly. We want fans to see the games.”

He said “everybody’s aggravated, we’re aggravated, the Rockets are aggravated” about the inability to sign deals and that protests by fans to their TV providers is “where the rubber meets the road.”

“When we saw DirecTV, they said they had only lost a few customers,” Crane said. “Well, when they lose a few thousand customers, guess what: They’re going to pay that rate pretty quick, and everything is going to start running pretty smooth.

“Everybody is waiting until the last minute to see who is going to blink. I can guarantee you we will not blink. We’re in it for the long run. We’re in it to fix the team. We’re in it to build a winner, and this is a big part of building a winner.”

The comments by Crane and Hutchings came a day after Mayor Annise Parker said the impasse was “intolerable” for fans.

Hutchings said negotiators with the NBC Sports Group, which owns the network with the Astros and Rockets, have modified positions “on the important items, things that you would consider salient.”

He said “yes” when asked if monthly subscriber fees were among those issues.

“We have gone back and forth (with providers),” Hutchings said. “We have placed proposals in front of them, but the bottom line we are feeling is that the providers simply are just unwilling to move unless they are absolutely forced to, and that is with the fans out there and their customers demanding that they get this deal done.

“Despite our own efforts, we are growing less optimistic by the day that we will reach agreement (by the opening series). We’re concerned with that.”

While Hutchings declined to be specific, he provided for the first time a limited comparison and context for the network’s pricing position.

Based on the company’s research, Hutchings said CSN Houston is seeking a lower fee for its core market in Houston than the Fox Sports Group receives from subscribers in its core Dallas-Fort Worth market for Fox Sports Southwest, which airs Rangers, Mavericks and Stars games plus Big 12 football and basketball.

He declined to reveal that number but said the comparison shows Houston “is being treated as a second-class market” and that providers “have seen an opportunity in Houston to cut their costs and to deny fans of those two teams, and at the end of the day, the money they are collecting from Houston fans goes right into their pockets while denying fans access to these teams.

“At the very least, the Houston fans should call their television providers and demand a reduction to their bill. They’re paying the same they did last year, but they’re not getting to watch the Astros, Rockets and Dynamo games.”

Crane, in his appearance on KILT-AM, emphasized the importance of CSN Houston as a revenue base to help him rebuild the Astros.

A DirecTV spokesman said the company stood by a statement last week that it wants “an agreement with the owners of CSN Houston that allows customers to choose whether they want to pay to see the games or not. We are ready and willing to have that discussion any time.”

A spokesperson for Dish Network did not respond to requests for comment. A spokesman for Suddenlink cable said, “We continue to search for common ground and hope we can find it.”

An AT&T spokesman said, “As we’ve said before, we would like to make this network available to our customers, but CSN Houston is demanding a high price for the same team games that, as of last season, were available on other channels we already carry and pay for.

“The only other major TV provider that has agreed to carry this network is Comcast, which is a partial owner of the network. We believe the extra value is not being created for the extra cost, and it seems that other major TV providers agree.”

Crane also referred to the fact that the NBC Sports Group holds a 22 percent stake in the company.

“Comcast NBC University is a $60 billion company with a lot of revenue and a lot of profit,” he said. “In the big scheme of things they want to see this go well, but they can afford to wait things out.

“We’re going to stay firm and cut a good deal for the future of the team. If, in fact, we have to sacrifice a little but here, which would be unfortunate – we don’t want that – but we’ll get it done, and we want the fans to watch the games.”

Another Crane comment in the KILT interview touched on details of previous negotiations with the providers.

“We don’t have a firm offer in front of us as I sit here today that I’ve seen,” he said. “There was one made probably at the beginning of the launch of October that wasn’t anywhere in a near-market situation, so we said we’ll sit tight until we get a better deal.”

http://blog.chron.co...e-negotiations/




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