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Managing Recordings on Multiple DVRs


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#26 OFFLINE   inkahauts

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 10:39 PM

I think at a minimum, if you have multiple dvrs but no hr34, then I'd use one of two methods:

1. specific channels to certain dvrs. example for someone in LA with 2 dvrs: 2 (cbs) and 4 (nbc) and all cable channels up to 245 on one unit and then put 5 (wb) 7 (abc) 11(fox) and all cable channels 246 and up on the other.

2. all stuff for one person on one dvr, and all stuff for the other person on another dvr, assuming no overlap. If there is overlap, then you designate one dvr to have all series that would overlap.

If you have an hr34 and other dvrs I'd put everything on the hr34 that is a series. Then put all my sports on other dvrs. Also might use other dvrs for other people with non overlapping shows.

In a perfect world, I'd have three hr34s. One for all my series, one for half my sports and all my random discovery channel type shows, and one for the other half of my sports and movies and autorecords based on people.

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#27 OFFLINE   RACJ2

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 07:03 AM

It would be nice if there was a master schedule for multiple DVR's and it was smart enough to schedule across DVR's. Although since I added my HR34, I schedule almost everything on it. With 5 tuners, I never have a conflict. And for storage, I only have the original 1TB internal drive in mine. Guess I don't record as much as some you do.

I do have some duplicate series set up on my HR22. Most of the time, I only add a recording to it, if I'm in that room and I see an ad for a program I want to watch. Since you can't schedule to a remote DVR from another DVR (which I wish was an option), I set it up on the HR22. Occasionally I'll use the app on my phone to set it up remotely to the HR34 instead.
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 07:36 AM

It would be nice if there was a master schedule for multiple DVR's and it was smart enough to schedule across DVR's.


No thank you. I don't want my DVRs to do my thinking for me. We'd wind up with series episodes spread all over the place.
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#29 OFFLINE   Steve

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 07:49 AM

Per the thread starter's original post, I just now finished remotely setting up a bunch of Series Links for my mom, a FiOS TV subscriber. Using her account log-in from my house, I had web access to both her multiroom DVRs, and I was able to see and delete from her playlists, TDL and series manager, as well as search and schedule recordings either DVR. Piece of cake.

Just like DirecTV WHDVR service, she has two DVRs and one STB, and can see any recording from any location.

I attached some screen shots of the Web UI I was working with below.

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 07:54 AM

No thank you. I don't want my DVRs to do my thinking for me. We'd wind up with series episodes spread all over the place.

With MRV, I personally could care less which box a show was on. That said, I expect a collaborative scheduler would have an option to pin a recording to a particular DVR at the time you set up the recording, so if you did care, it wouldn't be an issue.

Not to belabor this, but the real value of collaborative scheduling to me is that all recording management can be centralized. Without leaving my seat, I was just able to manage both my mom's DVRs 3 miles from my home, but if I want to delete a Series Link from my own Family Room HR34, I now have to walk down two flights of stairs to do it.
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 07:58 AM

No thank you. I don't want my DVRs to do my thinking for me. We'd wind up with series episodes spread all over the place.


I disagree. Other than when I'm trying to clear out a hard drive on a specific DVR, so I can replace it, without losing anything that I want to keep (which I'm currently in the process of doing), I couldn't care less which DVR a show gets recorded on. I'd love to have the option for a DVR network smart enough to resolve conflicts by recording something on a different DVR than the one on which it was scheduled.

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 08:05 AM

This is how I do it. I export the grid from Wikipedia into Excel. Color coded by DVR.

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 09:49 AM

I really like the spreadsheet idea and I plan to implement it when I get home.

The two things I do now is to put network shows on one DVR and cable shows on the other with exceptions for when I get three in one ares. I also alphabetize the shows in the priority list, since priorities shouldn't be an issue. That way I can easily find shows as needed.

The one problem I have is getting rid of discontinued shows. Some shows have a nasty habit of re-appearing after you have decided they have been canceled. Others never re-appear yet stay in the list until I run out of space and have to get rid of something. Any solutions for that?

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 09:56 AM

Any solutions for that?


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Posted 04 October 2012 - 09:59 AM

With MRV, I personally could care less which box a show was on.


Until you've lost a box and find out that episodes 2, 4 and 9 of a show you watch were on that DVR instead of all together with the other episodes because you let the DVR decide where to record them. :)
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 10:01 AM

I disagree. Other than when I'm trying to clear out a hard drive on a specific DVR, so I can replace it, without losing anything that I want to keep (which I'm currently in the process of doing), I couldn't care less which DVR a show gets recorded on. I'd love to have the option for a DVR network smart enough to resolve conflicts by recording something on a different DVR than the one on which it was scheduled.


As I replied to Steve... You wouldn't like it so much if this "smart" scheduler put episodes of shows all over the place and now you've lost a DVR.

I want things to record on the DVR I tell them to record on, not somewhere out of my control.
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 10:07 AM

Here's my spreadsheet. Pretty simple.

EDIT: Well I guess the system won't accept .numbers files. Oh well...
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 10:48 AM

Thanks. I added Futon Critic to my reading list. Now I need to figure out how to use it.

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 11:55 AM

As I replied to Steve... You wouldn't like it so much if this "smart" scheduler put episodes of shows all over the place and now you've lost a DVR.

I want things to record on the DVR I tell them to record on, not somewhere out of my control.


All the spreadsheets and other methods are worthless if a DVR fails, unless you've got multiple DVRs backing them up, I think. Now, if we could use any HDD recorded within an account on any HR within that account, losing a DVR wouldn't be so catastrophic as it is now.

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 12:06 PM

Ya. My ideal set-up would be a 5-6 tuner diskless set top box connected to fault tolerant networked attached storage. In that scenario, the recordings would be encrypted to my account and not a particular STB.
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 01:04 PM

Ya. My ideal set-up would be a 5-6 tuner diskless set top box connected to fault tolerant networked attached storage. In that scenario, the recordings would be encrypted to my account and not a particular STB.


I think this is the ultimate solution for storage mangement and recording scheduling. I have a ZyXEL NAS that routinely manages to support 300Mbps across the LAN. If I could put one of these guys on the net with 2 3TB drives in RAID 1 configuration, I'd have the same amount of diskspace I have now, spread across 3 DVRs, but it would be fault tolerant. And if the encryption was tied to my account, instead of the devices, I could record and playback from/to any device or TV. The throughput of the device is even sufficient to easily handle 8 recording streams and 4 playback.

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 01:50 PM

Per the thread starter's original post, I just now finished remotely setting up a bunch of Series Links for my mom, a FiOS TV subscriber. Using her account log-in from my house, I had web access to both her multiroom DVRs, and I was able to see and delete from her playlists, TDL and series manager, as well as search and schedule recordings either DVR. Piece of cake.

Just like DirecTV WHDVR service, she has two DVRs and one STB, and can see any recording from any location.

I attached some screen shots of the Web UI I was working with below.

Nice, but will DirecTV ever do it for their customers?

According to a few members here, DirecTV does not have the resources.

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 02:18 PM

All the spreadsheets and other methods are worthless if a DVR fails, unless you've got multiple DVRs backing them up, I think. Now, if we could use any HDD recorded within an account on any HR within that account, losing a DVR wouldn't be so catastrophic as it is now.

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 03:39 PM

No thank you. I don't want my DVRs to do my thinking for me. We'd wind up with series episodes spread all over the place.

Like I said, for me I wouldn't really need it. Although, if you had WHDVR and a master integrated recoding list. Would it really matter which DVR it was recorded on? You would just select the episode and it would go pull it from the DVR it was recorded on. Sounds better then using manual spreadsheets?
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 04:44 PM

My ideal set-up would be a 5-6 tuner diskless set top box connected to fault tolerant networked attached storage. In that scenario, the recordings would be encrypted to my account and not a particular STB.

I think this is the ultimate solution for storage mangement and recording scheduling. I have a ZyXEL NAS that routinely manages to support 300Mbps across the LAN. If I could put one of these guys on the net with 2 3TB drives in RAID 1 configuration, I'd have the same amount of diskspace I have now, spread across 3 DVRs, but it would be fault tolerant.

What puzzles me is the technology for this approach exists today, and since this is such straightforward and seemingly cost effective way to go, I wonder what we're missing, since no MSO I know of has anythng like this in place, AFAIK? :scratchin
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 05:01 PM

Security and Hollywood.

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 05:14 PM

Security and Hollywood.

Maybe for appearance only, tho. Since MRV, aren't the current HR2x's encrypted DLNA servers anyway? If so, couldn't a conscientious hacker get at the recordings now, if he or she really wanted to?
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 06:40 PM

Maybe for appearance only, tho. Since MRV, aren't the current HR2x's encrypted DLNA servers anyway? If so, couldn't a conscientious hacker get at the recordings now, if he or she really wanted to?


I don't think so...they function as DLNA clients (sort of) in that they can play some audio and video from another server (PC), but they will only deliver video to a DirecTV2PC client...you can't play anything through media player.

The security answer doesn't hold water...it is no less secure than an external drive attached to the DVR. It is just a drive at the end of an Ethernet cable instead of a SATA cable.

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 07:07 PM

Like I said, for me I wouldn't really need it. Although, if you had WHDVR and a master integrated recoding list. Would it really matter which DVR it was recorded on? You would just select the episode and it would go pull it from the DVR it was recorded on. Sounds better then using manual spreadsheets?


Yes, it would matter. Again, if your recordings are all over the place and you lose a DVR you're screwed. Unlike most everyone else I don't watch things when they air. I save some shows for when the season ends and I can watch all the episodes back to back. I'd HATE it if some of those episodes were no longer there because some stupid "master integrated recording list" decided it would spread episodes out over my system.

I'll take my spreadsheets over a "master integrated recording list" any day. Make fun of me and my spreadsheets all you want.
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 07:18 PM

I would think, in the scenario RAC suggests, episodes of a particular series (SL) would all be on one DVR.


Even before I got my HR34, I never had spreadsheets or anything. I set up recordings on the main DVR. If I tried to set up a SL and there was a conflict, I just set that one up on a different DVR. Didn't matter to me what network it was or what type of show it was. I had SL's spread across three different DVR's and most of the time I had no idea which DVR I was even watching from. A master recording list could do the same thing. Find a spot for the SL and put it on that DVR (with all episodes of that show there as well).

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