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Gannett Hopping Mad Over 'Hopper' -- Longterm agreement reached!


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#26 OFFLINE   Hoosier205

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 03:22 PM

So the content providers that produce/broadcast the programming you pay your service provider to retransmit are bad, while the service provider is good. Hmm...ok.
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Posted 05 October 2012 - 03:25 PM

I agree with Hoosier. It doesn't make much sense to push the envelope to this level. Without Hopper, there are DVR customers who may get lazy when skipping commercials. I know that I sometimes forget, or I'll see something interesting and watch. With the Hopper, there is 0 chance an ad is going to be watched.


Yep. It makes an already volatile relationship between service and content providers that much worse. As if there weren't enough acrimony.
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Posted 05 October 2012 - 03:32 PM

...so your solution is for content providers to accept less in retrans fees AND voluntarily give up ad revenue? That doesn't make any sense. What you are proposing would have a direct impact on the quality of their product.


How could their product POSSIBLY get any worse? :lol:

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 03:36 PM

How could their product POSSIBLY get any worse? :lol:


Name your favorite channel. Now take away a portion of their ad revenue and/or a portion of their retrans fees. Now imagine if other service providers do the same. That favorite channel of yours quickly becomes a shadow of its former self,
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Posted 05 October 2012 - 03:37 PM

Name your favorite channel. Now take away a portion of their ad revenue and/or a portion of their retrans fees. Now imagine if other service providers do the same. That favorite channel of yours quickly becomes a shadow of its former self,


I think they've already hit THAT point lol

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 03:41 PM

With all of the fees that these local affiliates get slammed with every year you would expect them to look for ANY excuse to try and get a rate hike.

Fact of the matter is ad-hop is optional, ad hop is off by default and you even have to go a few menus deep to turn it on.

Yeah this does effect the local mom and pop shops but gannet isnt looking to defend them, there just looking to get more cash at the end of the day.

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 03:43 PM

Content providers have been pushing the envelope for years. More commercials, less program time, more intrusive commercials in the programming and overlaid on the programming, all while the Execs take home bigger and bigger paychecks.

It's time for the carriers and viewers to start pushing back.

Less advertising money doesn't have to hit the quality of programming if the Execs weren't so greedy.
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Posted 05 October 2012 - 03:56 PM

The Hopper is just an easy target ... and DISH has already modified the product to appease broadcasters. If broadcasters had their way viewers would be able to skip any portion of television EXCEPT the commercials.

I'm sure that if the Hopper didn't skip commercials Gannett would just find another gripe to complain about. It is just low hanging fruit. Somehow these station groups and channel groups find something to dispute ... even in cases when the carrier isn't DISH. :)

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 04:08 PM

With all of the fees that these local affiliates get slammed with every year you would expect them to look for ANY excuse to try and get a rate hike...

What fees?

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 04:10 PM

I just turned Prime Time and auto-hop on last week. Personally, I think the auto-hop feature does more to get ads to me than w/o auto hop. With auto hop you seem to get 2 or 3 seconds of the ad (which seems to be programmed to get the main gist of the product across). When I skip manually I ignore everything and skip much faster thru the ads. I think more about the product with that 2-3 second shot. If I thought the commercial was interesting enough, I'd go back and watch it w/o autohop (haven't done that yet). Dish could collect more from the advertisers to put their 3 second spot into auto-hop.... subliminal advertising...

It's a choice... we need more of that! If providers/advertisers don't give customers what they want, more will be losing customers to streaming content.

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 04:11 PM

DISH has already modified the product to appease broadcasters.


According to who? Dish?

Edited by Hoosier205, 05 October 2012 - 04:22 PM.

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 04:21 PM

What fees?


The affiliates have to pay fees to ABC, Fox, CBS ect just to transmit that to us, there usually pretty outrageous too.

The reasons these disputes always happen is because they have to pay an ass load to stay on the air and expect to make the majority of that through companies like Dish and DTV on top of the money they get from ads.

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 04:22 PM

It is just low hanging fruit.

Yeah, you gotta be careful when they start grabbin' fer yer grapes!


According to who?

Hoyle?



I seem to recall that the way Hopper works was altered a few weeks back.
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Posted 05 October 2012 - 04:29 PM

I seem to recall that the way Hopper works was altered a few weeks back.


Right...they gave the illusion of passing responsibility on to their customers in an attempt to avoid a lawsuit. Rather than auto hop being on by default, customers have to select it. Dish hopes that is enough to appease the content providers they are treating with so little respect. Perhaps they should have considered the negative impact of
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Posted 05 October 2012 - 04:37 PM

Channel 9 Denver just carried a segment on their 10/5 4p news at 4:30. Dish spokesman claims Gannet wants Dish to disable auto hopper in their Hopper DVR's, Gannet claims there is no such wording in the currently proposed contract. Sounds like a presidential debate. I would guess this translates into Gannet has no wording in their contract regarding auto hopper skip, but there are potentially two different contract prices Dish can choose from?
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Posted 05 October 2012 - 04:39 PM

I'm as pro-commercial television as anyone. Read my posts in other threads... Commercial TV is supported by (wait for it...) commercials!

And we pay less to have those channels than we would IF they had commercials.

So... on one level I do think it odd for Dish to be fighting this fight with AutoHOP... Even odder still when you consider Dish sells and inserts commercials itself, so AutoHOP is at odds with some of Dish's own revenue streams!

And lastly... AutoHop, for all its touted to be "customers should be able to watch TV as they like" feature... how come Dish only enabled it for OTA LiLs and not for other Dish/SAT provided commercial channels?

Dish seems to be singularly focusing the AutoHOP on OTA channels... and not commercial channels in general.

ALL that said... OTA stations aren't doing themselves any favors... Companies that own multiple channels negotiating all-or-nothing carriage for ALL their channels in varying markets instead of negotiating carriage for each channel in each market... so IF Dish doesn't want to pay in Idaho, New York doesn't get their channels either...

Also... hiding behind the AutoHOP is evil response and simultaneously asking for 300% increases (as rumored here) make no sense to me....

A lot of people have been cord-cutting... and those people get OTA for free... so if some of these affiliates don't wise up, they will effectively make it unattractive for Dish to carry them... and they'll lose the revenue stream that they do have.

I still think Dish needs to re-think their AutoHOP strategy too. Originally they advertised it as you had to wait 24 hours to view without commercials... but from reports here that quickly shrank to 1am for a lot of people and in some cases people are apparently able to AutoHOP commercials on an 8pm show while the 10pm shows are still recording.

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 04:48 PM

And this interesting tidbit from an NBC "related" entity:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/49304831/

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 04:49 PM

All around it sounds like something an inexperienced and naive greenhorn or intern would green light while the executives weren't looking. Then the adults have to come in and clean up the mess after the fact.

Considering all the good products and services (despite the many Dish flaws :)) they have deployed over the years, it just seems odd that they would set themselves up for such an obvious and destructive confrontation.

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 04:52 PM

And this interesting tidbit from an NBC "related" entity:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/49304831/

This is purely a reposting of a Dish press release, incluing a Dish Network puff bio at the the end and hyperlinks to their website.

Who knew NBC was anti-commercial and so in the tank for Dish Network? ;)
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Posted 05 October 2012 - 04:53 PM

Since Dish is due to release the OTA dongle for the Hopper in the possibly near future, will you still be able to auto hop with OTA channels? Humm...
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Posted 05 October 2012 - 04:55 PM

Even odder still when you consider Dish sells and inserts commercials itself, so AutoHOP is at odds with some of Dish's own revenue streams!

DISH cannot insert ads on local broadcast channels (other than the old fashioned way: buy advertising on those stations).

BTW: In previous carriage battles it has been revealed that part of those carriage contracts was an advertising buy. DISH agreeing to buy advertising on the local station they wanted to carry. So perhaps they are skipping their own ads, in a limited way.

And lastly... AutoHop, for all its touted to be "customers should be able to watch TV as they like" feature... how come Dish only enabled it for OTA LiLs and not for other Dish/SAT provided commercial channels?

Perhaps some day they will. The OTA channels are the most viewed so it makes sense to start there.

Also... hiding behind the AutoHOP is evil response and simultaneously asking for 300% increases (as rumored here) make no sense to me....

Part of the problem is with the low cost of previous contracts. If the last contract was signed more than a couple of years ago the payment to the station is more likely to be minimal. Years ago stations were not out to make a lot of money off of retransmission. Now they are more likely to seek that revenue stream.

5c per customer jumping to 20c is 300%. 10c to 40c is 300%. 25c to $1 is 300%.

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 04:59 PM

This is purely a reposting of a Dish press release, incluing a Dish Network puff bio at the the end and hyperlinks to their website.

Who knew NBC was anti-commercial and so in the tank for Dish Network? ;)

That's why I said "interesting".

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 05:14 PM

And this interesting tidbit from an NBC "related" entity:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/49304831/

That's not a juicy "tidbit", it's called a "press release". In this instance, a DISH press release.

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 05:24 PM

DISH Headquarters is about 5 miles from the two Denver stations (KUSA and KTVD). The crawls are running on the two stations. This could actually become something nasty fro DISH because of them being Denver based and the local media may not be too kind to them.

Of course, at one time NBC had NFL football, and if the Broncos were knocked off DISH, this town would be having an uprising.

As for Gannet wanting a 300% increase; it has been said before television stations should be paying to be on a system, not the other way around. Considering they get revenue from ads, this is just corporate greed.

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 07:07 PM

According to who? Dish?


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