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Gannett Hopping Mad Over 'Hopper' -- Longterm agreement reached!


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#51 OFFLINE   domingos35

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 07:11 PM

All around it sounds like something an inexperienced and naive greenhorn or intern would green light while the executives weren't looking. Then the adults have to come in and clean up the mess after the fact.

Considering all the good products and services (despite the many Dish flaws :)) they have deployed over the years, it just seems odd that they would set themselves up for such an obvious and destructive confrontation.


if directv had this feature in their DVR's i bet u would say it was the best invention since sliced bread

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#52 OFFLINE   Hoosier205

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 07:29 PM

if directv had this feature in their DVR's i bet u would say it was the best invention since sliced bread


No, because "features" like this have the potential to make the entire industry more difficult in regards to negotiations.
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Posted 05 October 2012 - 07:34 PM

man u really are a dish hater

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if directv had this feature in their DVR's i bet u would say it was the best invention since sliced bread

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There you go. You keep losing those from your posts.
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Posted 05 October 2012 - 09:48 PM

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There you go. You keep losing those from your posts.

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 10:14 PM

I am not a Dish customer but after hearing about this on the local news I hopped (excuse the pun) over here to see the discussion. Does Gannett really think anyone with a DVR does not skip commercials?? I even record the late news so I can start about 10 minutes in and skip the commercials. If DirecTV ever offered something equivalent to AutoHop I would use it but it would not decrease my commercial viewing.

Back in VCR days I had one that would automatically FF thru commercials and no one had an issue with that...
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Posted 05 October 2012 - 10:33 PM

Completely ridiculous to me. If I lose my channels, I will be switching.


Well... This is not your average dispute... Obviously Dish is not going to change their Hopper technology, so it will be on Garnett and wether they will follow through with their threats.

Dish isn't going to exclude channels from ad skipping otherwise all channels will be demanding that.

You may have no other choice but to switch.
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Posted 05 October 2012 - 10:51 PM

Customers want to skip commercials, channels don't want you to... customers don't want to lose their channels.

Dish can't win for losing.

If Dish takes away trick play commercial skipping features, customers will complain too... I guarantee that.


Auto hop is not the same as any other trickplay. I know many think it is, but its just not. That's the problem here.

Always support the carrier over the content providers. Always.


I usually agree with you, except for this one time, in regards to auto hop. They need to stop it now before others think they can put this out and cause all our rates to sky rocket even more. Soon, everything will be priced like HBO if everyone has an auto hop type feature.

The Hopper is just an easy target ... and DISH has already modified the product to appease broadcasters. If broadcasters had their way viewers would be able to skip any portion of television EXCEPT the commercials.

I'm sure that if the Hopper didn't skip commercials Gannett would just find another gripe to complain about. It is just low hanging fruit. Somehow these station groups and channel groups find something to dispute ... even in cases when the carrier isn't DISH. :)


I haven't really kept up lately, how did they change auto hop? Unless you have to hit the button at the beginning of each commercial, its not going to be close enough to making broadcasters happy.

Well... This is not your average dispute... Obviously Dish is not going to change their Hopper technology, so it will be on Garnett and wether they will follow through with their threats.

Dish isn't going to exclude channels from ad skipping otherwise all channels will be demanding that.

You may have no other choice but to switch.


I think this is just the first shot across the bow. Over the next year, I suspect a lot of broadcasters as their contracts expire are going to do the same thing, and if so, dish may have to relent. Wait till the O&O negotiations come up. That could be the death keel of auto hop.

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 10:53 PM

After 16 years on (dbsforums, dbstalk combined) I have read allot of passion posts for leaving E or D over content contract disputes and some do for several years. Then I see members quietly re-join the E or D discussions as though nothing happened. Switching locks you into a 2 year commitment and during that time no guarantee the other providers contracts want come up during your now locked in contract period. Other channels disappear and your bonus comes in your 13th bill.

You either switch because you are out of contract and the other provider offers free installation, new equipment, 2 year contract, with a better price "or" just for spite - because? Let's get real, just 4 mo's ago this scenario played out on DirecTV or did we all forget so soon. Web wails as DirecTV channels go dark. at&t U-Verse also went through contract disputes June 2012 and channels where cut off without warning.

Let's also not forget what happened on these forums when DirectTV "proposed" a 10% package hike last year. Will my cost for DIRECTV service go up in 2012? "I am going to leave DirecTV, they have been raising my rates $5 a year for 3 years". Where are these people during content provider contract disputes, oh... here we are "I am leaving Dish if they turn off Gannet."

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 11:02 PM

They need to stop it now before others think they can put this out and cause all our rates to sky rocket even more.


Let them raise rates, and remove all commercials. Id pay $10/mo for each group of commercial free channels I like.

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 01:36 AM

If you think about it, Gannett et al, should be offering to REDUCE rates in exchange for disabling Hopper, not blackmailing and extorting higher rates among threats.

This is 2012. People don't like being forced to watch commercials. They're appreciative of tools to help make them go away.


This isn't such a bad idea.

But since the hopper is new[er] tech, I doubt Dish wants to go backwards. Not having a hopper myself, [ and really, no desire to record locals that I barely watch anyway,] I imagine the skip feature is the high point on this receiver.

It's Dish's baby, and whether you agree or disagree with the purpose, as far as I can tell, it's not illegal.

What I do agree with is the point of not having a across the board increase in pricing due to a particular receiver. If you want the "hoppa", fine, but you'll have to absorb the cost that goes with it, however this plays out.

Don't you think the other providers are watching this closely? This auto skip tech isn't rocket science. They probably have their prototype sitting on the workbench while they wait to see what happens.......:D

As an added note, I had to put up an antenna when I had DTV, as they didn't carry my locals, and it's still connected...

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 05:41 AM

That's called collusion and it's illegal.


It is not illegal to open source your invention and to remove all patent applications for it. There is no law that requires Dish to keep the technology that enables Hopper private.

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 06:32 AM

It is not illegal to open source your invention and to remove all patent applications for it. There is no law that requires Dish to keep the technology that enables Hopper private.


That's not the collusion part. This is...

so they can all work together to stick their thumbs in the eyes of the content providers.


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Posted 06 October 2012 - 06:37 AM

That's not the collusion part. This is...


I think ultimately this is what he was implying though (about letting the tech be open source.)

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 06:41 AM

That's not the collusion part. This is...


Only if they plan it ahead, or if Dish were to put such a condition on the release.

If Dish were to release or sell the technology without conditions and the others decided to use it by their own choice, there would be no problem.
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Posted 06 October 2012 - 06:49 AM

Only if they plan it ahead, or if Dish were to put such a condition on the release.

If Dish were to release or sell the technology without conditions and the others decided to use it by their own choice, there would be no problem.


Which isn't what you suggested. You suggested they work together to squeeze content providers.
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Posted 06 October 2012 - 07:24 AM

Which isn't what you suggested. You suggested they work together to squeeze content providers.


What's wrong with all the cable / satellite companies / consumers getting together to squeeze that ? I don't see anything wrong with it. After all - they have their broadcaster associations, where their probably discussing this .
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Posted 06 October 2012 - 07:33 AM

What's wrong with all the cable / satellite companies / consumers getting together to squeeze that ? I don't see anything wrong with it. After all - they have their broadcaster associations, where their probably discussing this .


they're :sure:

But yeah, if NAB isn't collusion, I don't know what is.

If several networks getting together to file suit isn't collusion, I don't know what is.

Maybe a little collusion is needed to bring costs down and smack the network suits back into line.
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Posted 06 October 2012 - 07:40 AM

Sounds more like, once again, Dish will be the one smacked back into line. Talk about an ethically bankrupt group of executives. They learned that from Charlie.
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Posted 06 October 2012 - 08:05 AM

I just don't understand the strategy behind openly inviting/encouraging lawsuits and strained business relationships with things like the Hopper.


As long as commercial skipping is activated by consumers on ANY DVR there is probably nothing networks can do. THIS ALREADY HAS BEEN UPHELD IN COURT AS LEGAL. If networks refuse carriage because of commercial skipping then either there will be huge lawsuits against all networks that engage in dropping carriage or ALL DVR'S IN THE COUNTRY WILL HAVE DISCONTINUE commercial skipping or it goes back to court.

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 08:20 AM

So this boils down to content providers are losing revenue because I have the ability to skip commercials. Well lets take it one step farther then because we need to be fair to em".
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Posted 06 October 2012 - 08:25 AM

Wait another great idea. how about you make the one hour program 1 hour and scroll ads on the bottom. Of course they will have to come up with the technology to make sure my eyes look at the ad so if not they can send me a bill. I'm sure you won't have any issue making the service providers pay for the technology, after all it's only fair.

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 08:32 AM

And damnit I want my galsses that can air their shows no matter what I'm doing. If I miss another ad I may just have to send them a check because of the guilt I'm feeling. Now I'm a Directv customer currently watching Comcast ( between houses) but feel Sorry for Charlie. Who do I send the check too?

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 08:42 AM

Most companies who begin losing revenue seek new and creative streams of new revenue! I think they should hire supermodels to do the news in swimsuits and change them out frequently so I don't get bored. Also I would recommend only one commercial between stories as I might get bored and change the channel (or just take away the ability to change the channel). If all ads were Superbowl ads I wouldn't change the channel or fast forward through them. Of course I did go to the bathroom (I was drinking beer) but if the content providers would just listen to me and add TV's to toilets there wouldn't be an issue. Of course I did DVR the Superbowl commercials and watched some more than once. Maybe I should send a bill to them for watching more than I was supposed too. SUPPOSE THEY'LL PAY IT!

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 08:45 AM

I can watch my watch and record KARE-11 (Gannett in the Twin Cities) via OTA, so it doesn't affect me much, other than not having guide info and having to do so manually.

I understand the point of contention, but regardless of whether the Hopper feature can "eliminate" commercials with the push of ONE button or MY DVR requires me to push the "Skip Ahead" button 2-3 times, I'm still not viewing them.

If there are people out there who record programs and actually DO still watch the commercials, they CAN do that with the Hopper; they just would not enable the "AutoHop" feature, correct?
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Posted 06 October 2012 - 09:09 AM

If Dish were to release or sell the technology without conditions and the others decided to use it by their own choice, there would be no problem.


Right.

But I doubt the technology is that special that others couldn't create their own. That they choose to not do so is a good thing.
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