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Gannett Hopping Mad Over 'Hopper' -- Longterm agreement reached!


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#176 OFFLINE   Henry

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 12:27 PM

That goes along with my post above. Not giving the customer what it wants, AND fighting technology does not work. It might be smart for the networks to move towards something like your model. Take use of the technology, give the customer what it wants, and still make the money. But your idea or another, fighting progress and change when it's what the customer wants just does not work.


Agree, but as you know, the commercial networks will fight tooth and nail to preserve the one and only model they have ever had. It's in their blood to defend their model and ignore the likes of HBO and Showtime.

In time I expect they'll be gagged and dragged to a newer model that will contain all of the great elements you mention. There's no way they can fight technology and/or customer damands, but they'll try. Eventually, they'll cave to the pressure only to later claim it was their idea all along.
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#177 OFFLINE   yogi

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 02:00 PM

How is Gannett going to change it's business model?
It buy's national programming from NBC. Which the majority is paid by commercials.

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 02:38 PM

Probably not. If you have a second HD TV location the Hopper/Joey setup works nice (single Duo DVR like the 722 to Hopper+Joey is workable). At the moment having OTA vs having PTAT/AutoHop and the third tuner is the decision point.

As setups get more complex the decision becomes more personal ... what are you doing with it.

Jim, I record a lot of stuff to my 722 then transfer some of it to my EHD. Things like concerts and nature shows (Frozen Planet) and series that I want to watch later in their entirety end up on the EHD. Many nights I record three shows at the same time and sometimes would like to record four shows. The ability to record four shows at the same time would be a big deal to me.

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 03:07 PM

How is Gannett going to change it's business model?
It buy's national programming from NBC. Which the majority is paid by commercials.


It doesn't need to. Gannett is negotiating on behalf of the broadcaster. If the latter were to change its model, Gannett wouldn't be able to use commercial skipping as a sledge hammer in its negotiations with Dish (who, incidentally pays for the programming and then charges us accordingly ... so it seems to me that we pay as well, yet we have no voice in the negotiations).
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Posted 10 October 2012 - 03:42 PM

Agree, but as you know, the commercial networks will fight tooth and nail to preserve the one and only model they have ever had. It's in their blood to defend their model and ignore the likes of HBO and Showtime.

In time I expect they'll be gagged and dragged to a newer model that will contain all of the great elements you mention. There's no way they can fight technology and/or customer damands, but they'll try. Eventually, they'll cave to the pressure only to later claim it was their idea all along.


Good points.

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 08:52 AM

Yes my comment was based on anyone that has two or more tv's (most customers) will pay on average $11/mo more for Dish service with a Hopper system than without because the DVR cost is $4/mo more and there'll be one additional outlet fee ($7) over a typical install using previous equipment as most installs that have two or more tv's usually start with a *22 receiver which powers two tv's with one receiver. So yes obviously there are scenarios where it wouldn't be exactly $11 more for Hopper customers but that is the most common one.


Average $11 more is an overstatement except for one HD TV and one or more SD TVs. The Hopper/Joey is only slightly more than *22s for two HD TVs, less for more than 2 HD TVs, and a lot less compared to multiple tuner DVRs for more than 2 HD TVs. The only circumstance where *22s make sense is if extra TVs are SD. The Hopper/Joey is designed for, and reasonably priced for, HD households and has many more features than any previous DVR combination.

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 10:22 AM

What if anything has the NAB done with regard to the hopper? We all know how the NAB has fought tooth and nail to eliminate and minimize the importation of any distant stations into another market. How is the hopper any different? If one watches TV with the ads eliminated, the local station gets nothing from that viewer. Likewise, if one watches programming on a distant station, the local station gets nothing from that viewer. If I am in Portland but am watching CBS out of LA, is that any different than watching CBS locally in Portland but cutting all the ads out?

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 11:04 AM

^You are assuming too much. The DVR already determines if someone watches ads or not. There is not proof that autohop means fewer ads watched.

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 11:11 AM

What if anything has the NAB done with regard to the hopper? We all know how the NAB has fought tooth and nail to eliminate and minimize the importation of any distant stations into another market. How is the hopper any different? If one watches TV with the ads eliminated, the local station gets nothing from that viewer. Likewise, if one watches programming on a distant station, the local station gets nothing from that viewer. If I am in Portland but am watching CBS out of LA, is that any different than watching CBS locally in Portland but cutting all the ads out?


Your argument leaves out the fees we pay to our sat providers that then are paid to the station even after they have been paid by the advertisers. In addition to that, they also get ever-increasing revenues from cable subscribers. How about on-line content fees?

What rights do we get for that other than the privilege of watching commercials in exchange for programming? Why must I stay home in order to legally watch? If my watching ads on TV were that critical to a network's survival, then why haven't any of them gone bankrupt in the last 3 or 4 years that I (among millions) have been skipping ads?

The Hopper issue aside, all I read here are people defending an obsolete business model. The NAB is basically a member-driven lobby group only too happy to perpetuate this model for its members ... and at my expense. As far as I'm concerned, they are just an arm of the broadcasters whose interests have nothing to do with mine.

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 11:23 AM

^You are assuming too much. The DVR already determines if someone watches ads or not. There is not proof that autohop means fewer ads watched.


Your argument leaves out the fees we pay to our sat providers that then are paid to the station even after they have been paid by the advertisers. In addition to that, they also get ever-increasing revenues from cable subscribers. How about on-line content fees?

What rights do we get for that other than the privilege of watching commercials in exchange for programming? Why must I stay home in order to legally watch? If my watching ads on TV were that critical to a network's survival, then why haven't any of them gone bankrupt in the last 3 or 4 years that I (among millions) have been skipping ads?

The Hopper issue aside, all I read here are people defending an obsolete business model. The NAB is basically a member-driven lobby group only too happy to perpetuate this model for its members ... and at my expense. As far as I'm concerned, they are just an arm of the broadcasters whose interests have nothing to do with mine.

[Guglielmo and Philo must be spinning in their graves.]


I'm not making an argument. I am asking a question. Does anybody know if the NAB has taken any action with regard to the hopper? It is a question to further the discussion.

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Posted 25 December 2012 - 05:23 PM

I support Dish playing hard ball with Gannet, AMC networks and others that may come up in the future provided it keeps my bill lower than DirecTV or cable. The content providers have needed a big wake up call for over a decade and maybe lossing 20 million customers in their revenue stream may provide that. This is not going to be the same goal for everyone, some people are willing to pay whatever the cost will be.


I bolded the thing I wanted to respond to here.

This would be a good thing to support the AMC debacle if the issue was just about money. But it has been known for a while now that the issue with Dish and AMC has been more of holding a grudge and more political than financial. I wouldn't support a side that decided to be petty about things and move the channel to some ungodly channel number and choose to not advertise the move to sabotage the standing of a channel with the customers of the satellite company.

They said that no one noticed the move, thus no one gave a crap about AMC, so Dish didn't see any reason to NOT remove the channel. I'm pretty sure if Dish moved it to a number that people could easily find it while scanning the guide then told people where it was, then I'm sure people would've watched the channel. We shouldn't be approving or supporting that one.

The Gannet issue, though, was stupid to do, and I'm glad that's resolved and Dish stood firm there. But AMC is in the right with THEIR dispute because Dish needs to just let the NY issue go already!

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Posted 25 December 2012 - 09:32 PM

But AMC is in the right with THEIR dispute because Dish needs to just let the NY issue go already!

The thing with AMC was not a "NY issue" ... it was the long standing lawsuit over the Voom channels. That has now been settled, the AMC channels are back on the air and all is well between DISH and AMC.

DISH and the NY sports networks is a separate issue.




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