Jump to content


Welcome to DBSTalk


Sign In 

Create Account
Welcome to DBSTalk. Our community covers all aspects of video delivery solutions including: Direct Broadcast Satellite (DBS), Cable Television, and Internet Protocol Television (IPTV). We also have forums to discuss popular television programs, home theater equipment, and internet streaming service providers. Members of our community include experts who can help you solve technical problems, industry professionals, company representatives, and novices who are here to learn.

Like most online communities you must register to view or post in our community. Sign-up is a free and simple process that requires minimal information. Be a part of our community by signing in or creating an account. The Digital Bit Stream starts here!
  • Reply to existing topics or start a discussion of your own
  • Subscribe to topics and forums and get email updates
  • Send private personal messages (PM) to other forum members
  • Customize your profile page and make new friends
 
Guest Message by DevFuse

Photo
- - - - -

HR34 (HMC) = Genie


  • Please log in to reply
67 replies to this topic

#21 OFFLINE   ndole

ndole

    Problem Solver

  • Registered
  • 1,903 posts
Joined: Aug 26, 2009

Posted 10 October 2012 - 03:41 PM

What training are you looking at? Everything I have seen directly from DirecTV has called the system "Genie" and the HR34 "Advanced Whole Home DVR".

I suppose it doesn't really matter. I know what the customer means when they use TiVo in place of a DVR, or what CSRs mean when they call the PI the SWM Box.


The same that I saw.
"He that is good for making excuses is seldom good for anything else."

...Ads Help To Support This SIte...

#22 OFFLINE   Carl Spock

Carl Spock

    Superfly

  • DBSTalk Club
  • 4,567 posts
Joined: Sep 03, 2004

Posted 10 October 2012 - 03:47 PM

Do we all get three wishes?


I think DirecTV should use a computer generated Barbara Eden from I Dream of Jeannie to be the spokesperson for the new products. The real Ms. Eden could add her voice.

Then people would be really confused. Is it Genie or Jeannie?

Actually, I like the family relationship in Hopper and Joey. Genie does nothing for me.

We have three things: the main unit (HR34), a sub unit (C31) and a program (Genie Recommends). I'd like something that connects the three.

Pay whatever George Lucas wants to make them Yoda, Luke and The Force.
hangin' with the bros at 40 Eridani A

#23 OFFLINE   RunnerFL

RunnerFL

    Hall Of Fame

  • DBSTalk Club
  • 16,067 posts
Joined: Jan 04, 2006

Posted 10 October 2012 - 07:12 PM

But shouldn't it be said then that "Genie" is really a system term, comprising a "Genie HMC Server?" (the HR34 as the main part), "Genie Client(s)," and the optional "Genie Recommends" feature located on the "Genie Server?" ;)

Anyhow, OK I get the point;

Its all about semantics where it appears that Genie specifically refers to the HR34 HMC, but loosely as an umbrella term for the whole system I guess.


You really need to just let it go and move on... :)
THIS SPACE FOR RENT

#24 OFFLINE   smitbret

smitbret

    Legend

  • Topic Starter
  • Registered
  • 130 posts
Joined: Mar 26, 2011

Posted 11 October 2012 - 06:34 AM

I think DirecTV should use a computer generated Barbara Eden from I Dream of Jeannie to be the spokesperson for the new products. The real Ms. Eden could add her voice.

Then people would be really confused. Is it Genie or Jeannie?

Actually, I like the family relationship in Hopper and Joey. Genie does nothing for me.
We have three things: the main unit (HR34), a sub unit (C31) and a program (Genie Recommends). I'd like something that connects the three.

Pay whatever George Lucas wants to make them Yoda, Luke and The Force.


This sums it up.

#25 OFFLINE   raott

raott

    Hall Of Fame

  • Registered
  • 2,145 posts
Joined: Nov 23, 2005

Posted 11 October 2012 - 06:57 AM

Actually, I like the family relationship in Hopper and Joey. Genie does nothing for me.


This sums it up.


Same here. When I think of "Genie" I think of the granting of wishes. What in the world does that have to do with a server - client relationship?

The fact that this was known by a completely different name 5 or 6 weeks ago speaks volumes.
SONY KDS-55A3000 and a couple of Vizios; SWM16; HR34 NR; HR22 NR; HR20-700 NR; H23-600 NR; R22 NR

#26 OFFLINE   RunnerFL

RunnerFL

    Hall Of Fame

  • DBSTalk Club
  • 16,067 posts
Joined: Jan 04, 2006

Posted 11 October 2012 - 09:25 PM

But shouldn't it be said then that "Genie" is really a system term, comprising a "Genie HMC Server?" (the HR34 as the main part), "Genie Client(s)," and the optional "Genie Recommends" feature located on the "Genie Server?" ;)

Anyhow, OK I get the point;

Its all about semantics where it appears that Genie specifically refers to the HR34 HMC, but loosely as an umbrella term for the whole system I guess.


Maybe this will clear it up for you, DirecTV saying what we've already been saying. One exception, they refer to the C31 as the "Genie Mini Client".

http://support.direc...WQvMmQ3ZGV2OGw=
THIS SPACE FOR RENT

#27 OFFLINE   P Smith

P Smith

    Mr. FixAnything

  • Registered
  • 20,050 posts
  • LocationMediterranean Sea
Joined: Jul 25, 2002

Posted 11 October 2012 - 10:21 PM

sounds too pretentious... and pompous

#28 OFFLINE   codespy

codespy

    Go Pack Go!

  • DBSTalk Club
  • 721 posts
  • LocationWisconsin
Joined: Mar 29, 2006

Posted 11 October 2012 - 11:20 PM

sounds too pretentious... and pompous


With all the talk of Barbara Eden in the younger days, I can't find any episodes of "I Dream of Jeannie" on my "Genie" or "Genie Recommends". Bummer. :(

#29 OFFLINE   P Smith

P Smith

    Mr. FixAnything

  • Registered
  • 20,050 posts
  • LocationMediterranean Sea
Joined: Jul 25, 2002

Posted 12 October 2012 - 09:16 AM

With all the talk of Barbara Eden in the younger days, I can't find any episodes of "I Dream of Jeannie" on my "Genie" or "Genie Recommends". Bummer. :(


Poor dumb "Genie" ... :D
I's like to ask your dog to find and bring here an iPhone, white only, model 4GS. :)

#30 OFFLINE   harsh

harsh

    Beware the Attack Basset

  • Registered
  • 19,389 posts
  • LocationSalem, OR
Joined: Jun 14, 2003

Posted 12 October 2012 - 10:52 AM

sounds too pretentious... and pompous

You think that's bad, you should read the official Genie press release. A lot of misleading information going on in that one.

For starters, there's the implication that the Genie system can drive eight TVs (four watching the same program).

The whopper is the claim that a "receiver" isn't required for each TV. Given the paucity of RVU client TVs in customer's hands, I'd have to say that this is, at best, an infinitely high tensile stretch of the truth. They're getting a lot ahead of themselves by talking about RVU enabled gaming consoles and Blu-ray players. I get a kick out of the "without seeing a box" claim. The C31 didn't invent the concept of concealing or remoting the receiver.

"Most advanced and intuitive" has certainly not been decided at this point.

I'm not sure how well the "one receiver serves the entire home" claim works with so many expressing desire for a second (and sometimes even subsequent) HR34.

I suspect that the "Start Over" feature doesn't work much at all like the press release suggests; implying that if you miss the beginning of any show, you simply rewind. Geeze guys, if the beginning of the show was something you could rewind to, you could have selected to watch it from the beginning.

The HR34+clients will likely be a great system but the marketroids fabricating the press releases need to back way off on the misleading implications and attributions.

Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought. -- JFK


#31 OFFLINE   Lord Vader

Lord Vader

    Special Member

  • Registered
  • 8,356 posts
  • LocationGalactic Empire
Joined: Sep 20, 2004

Posted 12 October 2012 - 10:54 AM

Considering that my 3-room, multi-DVR, whole home DVR setup is connected with ethernet cable and not DECA (I won't get into the lengthy explanation as to why, but I'm quite satisfied), if I were to get an HR34, is it mandatory that I get a DECA setup or can I stick with what is working for me now?

FAITH: I find the lack of it disturbing.

Opinions are my own but should be those of all Americans, who would be much better off intellectually, psychologically, and emotionally if that were the case.


#32 OFFLINE   Stuart Sweet

Stuart Sweet

    The Shadow Knows!

  • Super Moderators
  • 36,906 posts
Joined: Jun 18, 2006

Posted 12 October 2012 - 10:57 AM

You would need coax networking to run the C31s, yes.
Opinions expressed by me are my own and do not necessarily reflect
those of DBSTalk.com, DIRECTV, DISH, The Signal Group, or any other company.

#33 OFFLINE   Lord Vader

Lord Vader

    Special Member

  • Registered
  • 8,356 posts
  • LocationGalactic Empire
Joined: Sep 20, 2004

Posted 12 October 2012 - 11:23 AM

So getting an HR34 with my current all-ethernet Whole Home setup wouldn't work unless I got a DECA kit or something similar?

FAITH: I find the lack of it disturbing.

Opinions are my own but should be those of all Americans, who would be much better off intellectually, psychologically, and emotionally if that were the case.


#34 OFFLINE   DBSNewbie

DBSNewbie

    Icon

  • Registered
  • 807 posts
Joined: Nov 03, 2007

Posted 12 October 2012 - 11:30 AM

Considering that my 3-room, multi-DVR, whole home DVR setup is connected with ethernet cable and not DECA (I won't get into the lengthy explanation as to why, but I'm quite satisfied), if I were to get an HR34, is it mandatory that I get a DECA setup or can I stick with what is working for me now?


As Stuart mentioned, the coax run from the HR34 to the C31(s) would be network coax only. Although it is not mandatory, you can theoretically run a hybrid system in which the only "legs" running on DECA would be any feed going to a C31. If you were to integrate just the HR34 into your current system, again theoretically, you would not need to get a DECA setup. (But it does have to be SWiM connected). The other receivers can still be connected to the network via ethernet. You would just need a BSF or CCK to isolate the DECA (coming from the HR34 as it does not shut off with an ethernet connection) from the rest of the receivers.
Slimline, WB616 (2), SWM8 (2), OTA, MRV (U)
Den: Sony KDS-60A3000 -> HR20-700; Sony KDL-40S2000 (5) -> HR20-700 (2) & HR20-100 (3)
Master Bed: Kuro PDP-5020FD -> HR34-700
Master Bath: Sony KDL-26S3000 + PSP -> HR24-200
Daughter's: Sony KDL-40W3000 -> HR20-700
Son's: Sony KDL-40W3000 -> HR24-500
Kitchen: Sharp 20" -> H24-700
Guest: Sharp 20" -> H20-100
Patio: SunbriteTV 3220 -> H25-500
Living Room: Sony 42" XBR Plasma -> HR20-100

Diagram of Setup

#35 OFFLINE   Sixto

Sixto

    Hall Of Fame

  • DBSTalk Club
  • 12,178 posts
Joined: Nov 17, 2005

Posted 12 October 2012 - 11:32 AM

Neither the C31 nor H25 have an Ethernet port.
DirecTV: Genie HR44, H25, CCK, GenioGo, SWiM-16 & SWiM-8, DECA to Gigabit Switch with FiOS (75/75)
FiOS: Roamio Pro's (2), Roamio Plus, Mini's (4) with Ultimate HD (My Roamio Thoughts)

#36 OFFLINE   DBSNewbie

DBSNewbie

    Icon

  • Registered
  • 807 posts
Joined: Nov 03, 2007

Posted 12 October 2012 - 11:32 AM

So getting an HR34 with my current all-ethernet Whole Home setup wouldn't work unless I got a DECA kit or something similar?


It would be unsupported, but it you can still add an HR34 to your system and still be able to use whole home via ethernet only. A BSF or CCK would be needed to isolate the DECA signal coming from the HR34 to the rest of the receivers.
Slimline, WB616 (2), SWM8 (2), OTA, MRV (U)
Den: Sony KDS-60A3000 -> HR20-700; Sony KDL-40S2000 (5) -> HR20-700 (2) & HR20-100 (3)
Master Bed: Kuro PDP-5020FD -> HR34-700
Master Bath: Sony KDL-26S3000 + PSP -> HR24-200
Daughter's: Sony KDL-40W3000 -> HR20-700
Son's: Sony KDL-40W3000 -> HR24-500
Kitchen: Sharp 20" -> H24-700
Guest: Sharp 20" -> H20-100
Patio: SunbriteTV 3220 -> H25-500
Living Room: Sony 42" XBR Plasma -> HR20-100

Diagram of Setup

#37 OFFLINE   DBSNewbie

DBSNewbie

    Icon

  • Registered
  • 807 posts
Joined: Nov 03, 2007

Posted 12 October 2012 - 11:35 AM

Neither the C31 nor H25 have an Ethernet port.


Right, the feed from the HR34 to the C31 (or an H25) would be DECA, but could work with a hybrid system in which the other ethernet-attached receivers would be isolated from the DECA using a BSF or CCK.
Slimline, WB616 (2), SWM8 (2), OTA, MRV (U)
Den: Sony KDS-60A3000 -> HR20-700; Sony KDL-40S2000 (5) -> HR20-700 (2) & HR20-100 (3)
Master Bed: Kuro PDP-5020FD -> HR34-700
Master Bath: Sony KDL-26S3000 + PSP -> HR24-200
Daughter's: Sony KDL-40W3000 -> HR20-700
Son's: Sony KDL-40W3000 -> HR24-500
Kitchen: Sharp 20" -> H24-700
Guest: Sharp 20" -> H20-100
Patio: SunbriteTV 3220 -> H25-500
Living Room: Sony 42" XBR Plasma -> HR20-100

Diagram of Setup

#38 OFFLINE   Lord Vader

Lord Vader

    Special Member

  • Registered
  • 8,356 posts
  • LocationGalactic Empire
Joined: Sep 20, 2004

Posted 12 October 2012 - 04:05 PM

OK, what's a "BSF" and "CCK" again? For some reason I keep thinking of something rather pornographic. :eek2:

FAITH: I find the lack of it disturbing.

Opinions are my own but should be those of all Americans, who would be much better off intellectually, psychologically, and emotionally if that were the case.


#39 OFFLINE   Justin23

Justin23

    Hall Of Fame

  • Registered
  • 1,212 posts
Joined: Jan 10, 2008

Posted 12 October 2012 - 04:06 PM

OK, what's a "BSF" and "CCK" again? For some reason I keep thinking of something rather pornographic. :eek2:


BSF = Band Stop Filter
CCK = Cinema Connection Kit

#40 OFFLINE   harsh

harsh

    Beware the Attack Basset

  • Registered
  • 19,389 posts
  • LocationSalem, OR
Joined: Jun 14, 2003

Posted 14 October 2012 - 09:36 AM

Right, the feed from the HR34 to the C31 (or an H25) would be DECA, but could work with a hybrid system in which the other ethernet-attached receivers would be isolated from the DECA using a BSF or CCK.

The problem here is that your only practical option for "ethernet-attached receivers" is one of a handful of last year's model Samsung televisions. The readily available alternative (C31) pretty effectively forces a DECA transition at some level.

Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought. -- JFK





Protected By... spam firewall...And...