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Anyone own an electric car?


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#26 OFFLINE   dennisj00

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 05:54 PM

The leasing companies have enough confidence to price the car and make their money. Your research may show differently - there's lots of good / bad information out there - but there are no horrow stories about battery life.

Check the price of a used Prius.

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#27 OFFLINE   wingrider01

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 03:33 AM

Even if we use your figure, and my research shows a much higher cost, at seven years old the replacement battery pack exceeds the value of the car.

I certainly wouldn't even consider the purchase, unless the price was minimal, if I had to invest that much money to keep it on the road. So, you as the owner, have a car that is essentially worthless unless you buy batteries for it.


When I was getting the reverse camera installed on my C-Max I was talking to the Shop Manager on costs, she looked up the cost of the replacement battery tray and the labor hours needed, minus the core recover rebate the cost to replace the battery tray that is covered by warranty for 8 yrs / 100,000 miles came nowhere close to your researched figure.

Consumer reports even agreed back in 2008 for the Prius

http://news.consumer...us-battery.html

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 09:26 AM

Well, I did it. I signed a 3 year lease on a 2012 Ford Focus Fusion EV.

I pick it up this afternoon in time to catch the rain! It's pretty amazing how far these cars have come in a few short years. It'll be interesting to see what happens in the next 3 years. Maybe I'll buy one next time!

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 09:41 AM

I would love to get one but they are out of my price range. Maybe when they get in the 15k to 20k.

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 11:05 AM

Congratulations, dmspen! I think you'll really like it.

It's official, I had my 'annual' checkup (free) and $0 in maintenance for the year and negligible capacity loss on the batteries.

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Posted 09 November 2012 - 05:17 AM

Well, I did it. I signed a 3 year lease on a 2012 Ford Focus Fusion EV.

I pick it up this afternoon in time to catch the rain! It's pretty amazing how far these cars have come in a few short years. It'll be interesting to see what happens in the next 3 years. Maybe I'll buy one next time!


those are nice, I looked at them when I was shopping around but the new Ford C-MAX caught and held my attention, been driving one for less then a month.

The power and acceleration of the C-MAX is amazing for a hybrid, not to mention getting 41 miles to the gallon, big difference from my 7 mile to the gallon H1, still getting used to the smaller car, a big adjustment for me, let alone being able to go through narrow city streets.

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Posted 09 November 2012 - 09:30 AM

I would love to get one but they are out of my price range. Maybe when they get in the 15k to 20k.


Consider my car. If I bought it, with Ford incentives, it would be about $28,000. California has a $2500 incentive program. Feds give you $7500 off your taxes. Now you're down to $18000.

I went from $210/month avg for gas to $0 (charge at work).

A 5 year loan at 2% would be about $322/mo. SO you could end up with a new car for about $100/month for 5 years (add $30-60/month if you charge at home)

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Posted 09 November 2012 - 11:04 AM

Consider my car. If I bought it, with Ford incentives, it would be about $28,000. California has a $2500 incentive program. Feds give you $7500 off your taxes. Now you're down to $18000.

I went from $210/month avg for gas to $0 (charge at work).

A 5 year loan at 2% would be about $322/mo. SO you could end up with a new car for about $100/month for 5 years (add $30-60/month if you charge at home)


In my case it would be $25500 as I don't paid taxes being retired. Even the $322 is a little beyond my reach.

#34 OFFLINE   dennisj00

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Posted 09 November 2012 - 02:48 PM

The Federal rebate can come off the top of the lease. The Nissan dealer filed that.

Since it's a tax credit, I think you could get a refund even with 0 taxes paid.

It really becomes a 'free car' if you commute 40-80 miles a day.

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 06:27 AM

Consider my car. If I bought it, with Ford incentives, it would be about $28,000. California has a $2500 incentive program. Feds give you $7500 off your taxes. Now you're down to $18000.

I went from $210/month avg for gas to $0 (charge at work).

A 5 year loan at 2% would be about $322/mo. SO you could end up with a new car for about $100/month for 5 years (add $30-60/month if you charge at home)


the 7500 fed rebate expired unless you are talking on pure electrics and not convential gas/electric hybrids

http://www.edmunds.c...ax-credits.html

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 10:41 AM

the 7500 fed rebate expired unless you are talking on pure electrics and not convential gas/electric hybrids

http://www.edmunds.c...ax-credits.html


Yes, my Ford Focus is 100% electric, so that was my reference.

I also forgot to mention the CarPool stickers!

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 11:16 AM

The leasing companies have enough confidence to price the car and make their money. Your research may show differently - there's lots of good / bad information out there - but there are no horrow stories about battery life.

Check the price of a used Prius.


A friend of mine got a Prius when they came out. He just traded it in for a new one. He's a very good auto mechanic and he's had no problems with either car. I just know he wanted to take it apart, but never had a reason to. Problem is, I can't fit in the damn thing. Height discrimination is a terrible thing to go thru life with.... :lol:

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 11:17 AM

Congratulations, dmspen! I think you'll really like it.

It's official, I had my 'annual' checkup (free) and $0 in maintenance for the year and negligible capacity loss on the batteries.


How tall are you?

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 01:44 PM

For what it's worth, I'm 5'6. The salesman was over 6', about 250# and fit comfortably.

Tommy Burleson (NCSU Center in the 70's) is 7'4" and drove a VW beetle.

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 11:00 AM

For what it's worth, I'm 5'6. The salesman was over 6', about 250# and fit comfortably.


You can't begin to imagine what it's like to be tall. When I graduated from high school, every car I got into I had to pull the seat up. Not the same now. Now that Cadillac and Lincoln are only making small cars, I don't know where to go to get another car.

Tommy Burleson (NCSU Center in the 70's) is 7'4" and drove a VW beetle.


I'm a bit over 6'4" and I had a '69 Bug and had to pull the seat up. Not so with the new Bugs. We used to drive from Norfolk to NYC every weekend we were in port in a Bug. Used to put six thin people in the car or five if there were a couple heavy guys going. Once we packed 7 guys in (one sat between the driver and passenger seats. Horribly uncomfortable, but we did it. Try that with one of the new Bugs. I was really disappointed with the new Bugs.

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 11:04 AM

Has anyone calculated the total cost of going all-electric or hybrid -- the special charger, electricity used, battery maintence/replacement over time, and likely service panel wiring upgrade? Even after the initial investment, there will be ongoing costs to be factored in that is (seemingly) being glossed over.


I've never seen anything like what you ask for, but my friend the car mechanic had to do practically nothing to his first Prius. I know he was dying to tear into that sucker, but he never had a reason to. Maybe his new one will give him a chance to work on it.

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 01:12 PM

Article in the media this week considering just gas costs and difference in price between conventional cars and electrics breakeven point is six years

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 06:19 AM

The part that's hard to factor in is depreciation. Will electric cars hold their value better? If so, the breakeven point will be earlier.

Now, the Prius has been out for a LONG time and we've yet to hear of a flood of returned batteries the way the detractors keep crying.

But I just replaced some of the brakes on my car to the tune of a few hundred dollars. The idea of tripling the number of miles between brake jobs appeals to me (Prius-based taxis in SF found they needed new brakes 1/3 as often because the regenerative braking systems that pump energy back into the battery took a lot of the wear and tear off of the conventional disc brakes)

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 09:11 AM

The part that's hard to factor in is depreciation. Will electric cars hold their value better? If so, the breakeven point will be earlier.

Now, the Prius has been out for a LONG time and we've yet to hear of a flood of returned batteries the way the detractors keep crying.

But I just replaced some of the brakes on my car to the tune of a few hundred dollars. The idea of tripling the number of miles between brake jobs appeals to me (Prius-based taxis in SF found they needed new brakes 1/3 as often because the regenerative braking systems that pump energy back into the battery took a lot of the wear and tear off of the conventional disc brakes)


These are some of the reasons I'm leasing! BTW, the original year Prius had a battery recall. My step mom got an original year Prius from her son and a few months later had the battery pack replaced through the recall.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 09:09 AM

One week in and everything is going smoothly. I use abouta little less than a 1/3 of a tank? Cells? Charge?...charge to get to work. I plug in to a 110v outlet in the back of the parking lot (extra exercise getting to the building). I get almost to a full charge by the time I leave.

I do notice that charge rates are somewhat temperature dependent - as expected.

The friggin' displays in the car are a little distracting because I keep playing with them!

So far so good!

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 01:51 PM

Free charging at work, your 'fuel' costs will be next to ZERO!! Sweet!!

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 12:27 PM

My next new car will be all electric, I figure about four more years till I'm ready for this.

I would love to build my own electric car but since the wife will be driving I would like it to be as nice and trouble free as possible. :)




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