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#1 OFFLINE   wcalifas254

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 02:10 AM

So I hear that old legacy receivers with MPG will be outdated after December 31st of this year. Does this mean that they won't receive any info on their guides or what will be the outcome?

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#2 OFFLINE   dpeters11

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 05:29 AM

I know they've been contacting customers with an upgrade program. Not sure what actually happens next year.

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 09:47 AM

All receivers are digital, ie support MPEG decompression; old - MPEG-2 [SD]; new - MPEG-2 [SD], MPEG-4/VC-1[HD,SD].

To make such major step, any sat company would announce that plan. Just wait, they will explain the transition in detail.

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 10:44 AM

Hopefully, they get all of the SD receiver swapped out, in quick order. It would free up allot of bandwidth, if they only had to run one feed of most of the stations, already in HD. Maybe they could start using 119w, instead of running locals in SD there. Too bad they couldn't do a transponder swap with Dish, to either move all of their 119w, to 110w, or in the opposite direction. That way Dish could have the whole 119w satellite for themselves, plus the Ku bird that they also use, at that location.

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 12:38 PM

All receivers are digital, ie support MPEG decompression; old - MPEG-2 [SD]; new - MPEG-2 [SD], MPEG-4/VC-1[HD,SD].

To make such major step, any sat company would announce that plan. Just wait, they will explain the transition in detail.


P, could you clarify for me? I understand MPEG-4 what is the VC-1?
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Posted 21 October 2012 - 12:40 PM

other compression format, usually using for movies in 24fps, perhaps VOD is utilize it

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 05:28 PM

All receivers are digital, ie support MPEG decompression; old - MPEG-2 [SD]; new - MPEG-2 [SD], MPEG-4/VC-1[HD,SD].

To make such major step, any sat company would announce that plan. Just wait, they will explain the transition in detail.


We aren't at all talking about video here. Directv has been running multiple formats for the guide data for many many years. They are finally dumping the old guide and only going to support the newer AVP (?) guides, which means that some of the very old boxes (probably 10 years or more which I believe only show guide data out about 3 days) will not work when they turn off that guide feed. That is what this particular switch is all about.

This plan has already been announced, and they are executing it from all reports, and they will shut that off at the end of Decmember.

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 05:30 PM

Hopefully, they get all of the SD receiver swapped out, in quick order. It would free up allot of bandwidth, if they only had to run one feed of most of the stations, already in HD. Maybe they could start using 119w, instead of running locals in SD there. Too bad they couldn't do a transponder swap with Dish, to either move all of their 119w, to 110w, or in the opposite direction. That way Dish could have the whole 119w satellite for themselves, plus the Ku bird that they also use, at that location.


As I said in my other post, that's not at all what this particular poster is asking about. It will free up a little bandwidth, but not much, and is all about guide data, and has nothing to do with the demise of sd channel duplicates.

They are not swapping out all sd receivers. Just the really really old ones, which I doubt there are that many of these particular style ones left active right now anyway.

Just as they have stopped activating receivers without RIDs on accounts they have not already been active on, they are slowly closing out older receivers to make their lives easier for techincal and logistical reasons, and I suspect sometime in the next four years they may begin a slow plan to eliminate sd channels, but who knows for sure, that part is just my guess.

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 07:57 PM

You mean MPG will gone and only APG will succeed from current mix ?

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 08:34 PM

You mean MPG will gone and only APG will succeed from current mix ?


Correct. They are shutting off MPG at the end of December.

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 08:37 PM

That is exactly what he means. Unless your receiver can receive advanced program guide data (meaning it is model D10 or later, H10 or later, R10 or later, or HR10 or later), it simply will not work.

It is not an MPEG2 issue, although clearly the writing is on the wall for MPEG2 as well, perhaps another 4 years on that technology.
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Posted 21 October 2012 - 09:20 PM

Does this mean the end of UltimateTv receivers?
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Posted 21 October 2012 - 09:56 PM

Does this mean the end of UltimateTv receivers?


No, as that uses the APG as I recall. But to double check, I did some searching, and it looks like I am right. ;)

http://www.dbstalk.c...read.php?t=5157

http://www.directv.c...Service_R08.pdf

Looks like old tivos are fine too...

Edited by inkahauts, 21 October 2012 - 10:10 PM.
fixed typo


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Posted 21 October 2012 - 10:03 PM

No, as that uses the AVP as I recall. But to double check, I did some searching, and it looks like I am right. ;)

http://www.dbstalk.c...read.php?t=5157

http://www.directv.c...Service_R08.pdf

Looks like old tivos are fine too...


These referenced posts clearly stated APG as in posts above, but you're continue using something unusual like acronym AVP. Why ?

#15 OFFLINE   inkahauts

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 10:11 PM

That's a typo!

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 10:13 PM

Oh. OK. I start thinking it is something new ...

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 10:16 PM

So I hear that old legacy receivers with MPG will be outdated after December 31st of this year. Does this mean that they won't receive any info on their guides or what will be the outcome?


Not true...they will be around a little longer than that, but the end is certainly coming.
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Posted 22 October 2012 - 12:00 AM

Not true...they will be around a little longer than that, but the end is certainly coming.


Seems to me this statement is untrue also:

Correct. They are shutting off MPG at the end of December.



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Posted 22 October 2012 - 01:00 AM

Not true...they will be around a little longer than that, but the end is certainly coming.


Thanks for the update! Evidently things change!!!! ;)

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 05:47 PM

So I hear that old legacy receivers with MPG will be outdated after December 31st of this year. Does this mean that they won't receive any info on their guides or what will be the outcome?


Is there a list of the receivers that will be affected by this change?




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