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DISH Network and Voom Reach Settlement


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#51 OFFLINE   ehilbert1

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 03:07 PM

It's got to be killing some people that AMC is back. Some people took pleasure in others not having it just because they don't watch it. Putting it down putting people down that watch TWD.

Good for AMC and Dish getting this done finally! Ha ha to the haters who said it wouldn't happen!

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 03:08 PM

A lot of the time when these deals go through we see the channel move packages. The press release doesn't say anything about it, but does anyone know if AMC will be moving down to AT120+?

(I think it was only AT200 and above before... right?)

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 03:14 PM

I hope people here followed the court case. After the judge assigned a data forensics investigator to pull deleted emails from Dish corporate hard drives (a move Dish fought and lost), they proved that Cablevision had been correct all along, and that they had spent the money required by their contract with Dish. Emails between Ergen and his negotiator proved this.

So Walking Dead premieres to historic numbers last Sunday, the emails come out in court during the week, and Dish settled right before Ergen was scheduled to take the witness stand tomorrow morning, where he would have been massively humiliated.

Given all the leverage they now had, I'm surprised Cablevision settled for "only" $700M. Given what all the analysts covering the case were saying, they might have actually gotten the full $2.4B.

And given that AMC was restored to the lineup within hours of the settlement announcement, I hope that says something to all the people here who argued that dumping AMC had nothing to do with the lawsuit.

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 03:20 PM

A lot of the time when these deals go through we see the channel move packages. The press release doesn't say anything about it, but does anyone know if AMC will be moving down to AT120+?

(I think it was only AT200 and above before... right?)

Right now it is in Free Preview ... available to all subscribers.

Given all the leverage they now had, I'm surprised Cablevision settled for "only" $700M. Given what all the analysts covering the case were saying, they might have actually gotten the full $2.4B.

Cablevision is also giving DISH wireless licenses that are worth money. With the value of those licenses included the settlement gets closer to a wash.

And given that AMC was restored to the lineup within hours of the settlement announcement, I hope that says something to all the people here who argued that dumping AMC had nothing to do with the lawsuit.

DISH cannot carry channels without the provider's permission. With the lawsuit unsettled there was no way AMC would grant their permission. Perhaps they finally came up with a price DISH could not refuse?

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 03:27 PM

As usual, we'll never know who blinked harder, but it sure looks like AMC did.


Somehow, I got kicked over to 101 which is why i was seeing the promo/help screen.

All sorted out now, AMC 131 manually deleted from my channel list again so I don't have to be bothered with it.
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Posted 21 October 2012 - 03:29 PM

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 03:32 PM

is AMC channel 131 in HD?

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 03:33 PM

is AMC channel 131 in HD?

Yes.

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 03:34 PM

Yes.

Call now, CSRs are standing by.


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Posted 21 October 2012 - 03:38 PM

Great news. Anyone who had any timers set for the former AXS ch. 131 just a reminder to check them.

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 03:40 PM

Bitter Party of One.



Well when you take away some peoples sole purpose for posting in a thread it hurts.

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 03:48 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by steveT
Given all the leverage they now had, I'm surprised Cablevision settled for "only" $700M. Given what all the analysts covering the case were saying, they might have actually gotten the full $2.4B.

A bird in hand is worth...

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 03:59 PM

Well when you take away some peoples sole purpose for posting in a thread it hurts.


LOL

I'd love to see the "Actual" program list of what he watches :grin:
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Posted 21 October 2012 - 04:09 PM

Looks like AMC might have been hurting for ad revenue:

Dish accounted for 13 percent of AMC’s subscriber base, AMC said. The number of subscribers can determine what advertisers and broadcasters pay the cable network company


http://www.bloomberg...ontract-1-.html
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Posted 21 October 2012 - 04:11 PM

I feel deader already!
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Posted 21 October 2012 - 04:26 PM

I never watch AMC, but I'm glad it's back anyway. I firmly believe that the more customers Dish has, the better that is for all Dish customers.

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 04:32 PM

Congratulations to the subscribers of Dish Network for finally seeing the return of AMC to the lineup!

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 04:35 PM

The weird part here?

Not that Rainbow settled for "only" $700 million... and certainly not the return of the current AMC channels.

The weird part is... the wireless licenses given TO Dish.

The court case was certainly tilting big time towards Rainbow... I'm sure AMC wanted the settlement to keep their ad revenue and to get their subscriber revenue back... and Rainbow surely wanted some money as well...

But... how often do you see a settlement in a case that was clearly tilting more one way than the other... and not only does Dish get to save some face and get channels back... but they also literally profit somehow from getting these licenses?

A $700 million + longterm AMC contract is a clear win for Rainbow/AMC... and a bird in the hand applies vs waiting for a court verdict that may yield more money but most certainly would mean no carriage of channels on Dish.

But... that Cablevision had to still give something back to Dish?

Oh, and don't forget... those Voom channels weren't carried by anyone else... so Dish didn't lose customers who went elsewhere to see them... and Dish saved that money for each year since breaking the contract... so how much savings was that? And applying that against the $700 million, did this really end up costing Dish anything on the bottom line considering what they got in return?

Honestly... even with the short-term angst... you kind of have to look at this as a HUGE win for Dish.

It's like being in a gunfight... and you're out of bullets... and the other guy can shoot you and take your stuff... but somehow you convince him NOT to shoot you, and instead give YOU some of HIS stuff on top of it.

Weird.

FYI... the "put it back in standby trick" worked for one of my receivers to get updated EPG data so I could set timers tonight for Walking Dead, Talking Dead, and Comic Book Men.

All I missed (with the Walking Dead repeat tonight) would be last week's Talking Dead + last week's Comic Book Men... so all-in-all, a good end to a weekend here and I'll have a bunch of TV to watch later tonight after football!

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 04:37 PM

^^ Yeah, where did the wireless stuff come from? How did that even get into the mix? That's one of the first things I noticed in the OP.

Almost sounds like Dish got the sweeter deal.
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Posted 21 October 2012 - 04:57 PM

AXS on 362. AMC back up.

Talked yesterday to a high end corporate lawyer from the global company I used to be a director at. He was the guy who prepped me when I had to testify at a $1.6 Billion suit (that our arrogant CEO refused to admit we were wrong on.) He's been following this suit, and he is also a bit surprised that they didn't hold out for more from Dish. He said it was very, very clear that Dish was going to lose, and lose in a way that showed that they lied, they destroyed evidence, and more, and he felt that they would end up paying the full amount.

His take is that this gives the Voom folks their money quickly, no appeals. He also said don't discount things in the settlement that we may not see. Without seeing actual cash value of the airway licenses, he couldn't comment on that (he's digging in to figure that piece out.)

Bottom line, he said: When court is cut off short as soon as damning evidence is produced, you know who is dictating the terms at the table.

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 04:58 PM

Guide on my Hopper has info up until 9pm. I can record the 8pm showing of TWD. Any tips on how to handle DVRing the 9pm showing since there is no guide data? I am sure it will be rerun at some point but I would like to DVR it tonight.
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Posted 21 October 2012 - 05:01 PM

Any tips on how to handle DVRing the 9pm showing since there is no guide data?


Manual timer start/stop.

Or can't you do that on a 'Roo box?
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Posted 21 October 2012 - 05:02 PM

Manual timer start/stop.

Or can't you do that on a 'Roo box?


Can't do that on a Hopper as far as I am aware??
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Posted 21 October 2012 - 05:05 PM

The only other related networks, unmentioned in this press release, is MSG and MSG+

I'm really surprised MSG wasn't included in the settlement deal.

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 05:13 PM

Guide on my Hopper has info up until 9pm. I can record the 8pm showing of TWD. Any tips on how to handle DVRing the 9pm showing since there is no guide data? I am sure it will be rerun at some point but I would like to DVR it tonight.


For the VIP receivers a 'check switch' will force another download of the guide. Don't know if that works for the Hopper but it might be worth a try.




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