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#21 OFFLINE   djlong

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 05:37 AM

One interesting thing I gleaned..

Adding 4G/LTE to an iPad is $139.
Adding 4G/LTE to a new Kindle Fire HD is $200.

That might tell you how much subsidy is going on there.

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 06:09 AM

Confusing, as the "iPad", (3-ish) the one I got months ago, is also a retina display....


I think (but very difficult to tell), the iPad you bought a few months ago is no longer available. The iPad Retina is the top level, the iPad 2 is the entry level and available in very limited configurations (i.e. 16 gig only) and then you have the iPad mini.
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Posted 24 October 2012 - 09:39 AM

One interesting thing I gleaned..

Adding 4G/LTE to an iPad is $139.
Adding 4G/LTE to a new Kindle Fire HD is $200.

That might tell you how much subsidy is going on there.


Yep, probably has to do with the $50/yr plan you get with Amazon. It's only 250mb a month, but the wireless provider isn't making much margin on that.
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Posted 24 October 2012 - 09:52 AM

I don't see the point in the mini at that price point.

IF you mostly (or solely) want to read books... a Kindle is nearly half the price of the cheapest iPad mini still.

IF you want to do more than read books (and yes, I know the Kindle has apps too just not as many)... then I wholeheartedly recommend the full-size iPad instead.

I just don't see the market for a Kindle-sized device at nearly twice the price.

For the money, you might as well get a full size iPad instead... otherwise get a Kindle.

Or am I missing something?


Not from my POV. I can't even figure out why anyone would buy books when you can get them from a library at no cost. Many years ago I began to wonder how book stores stayed in business.

Obviously iLemmings (all due respect to the members who use Apple equipment, I'm not aiming at anyone on the forum) will buy anything with an Apple on the back.

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 09:54 AM

I was on the iPad mini bandwagon for sure. The size was what I hoped the original iPad would be. However, the lack of an anti-glare screen like the one on the iPhone 5 could be a deal breaker for me. I've been considering getting the Kindle Paperwhite instead. I love my iPad 2, but it's just too big for me to hold comfortably and read for any length of time...


And here I'm considering buying that 20" Sony tablet... :lol:

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 10:03 AM

Not from my POV. I can't even figure out why anyone would buy books when you can get them from a library at no cost. Many years ago I began to wonder how book stores stayed in business.
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Not everyone has a great library system, a book may not be available, or too many requests and not enough copies. Sure, there's Interlibrary loan, but that doesn't solve everything. Plus there's the fact that depending on how much time you have, you might end up taking more than the two weeks to read a book. Can't renew if someone requested it.

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 10:59 AM

Not from my POV. I can't even figure out why anyone would buy books when you can get them from a library at no cost. Many years ago I began to wonder how book stores stayed in business.


Well, when you go on vacation and only need to carry along an ebook reader for the 6 books you plan on reading as opposed to lugging around 6 books, that would be why...

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 11:15 AM

I was interested in the iPad Mini but expected a price point under $300. I'll take a closer look at the Google Nexus.

Currently I read e-books from the library on an iPod Touch. Works very well on a crowded economy airline seat. I'd prefer a 7+ inch screen, though.
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Posted 24 October 2012 - 12:35 PM

Not from my POV. I can't even figure out why anyone would buy books when you can get them from a library at no cost. Many years ago I began to wonder how book stores stayed in business.

Obviously iLemmings (all due respect to the members who use Apple equipment, I'm not aiming at anyone on the forum) will buy anything with an Apple on the back.

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You're talking apples vs oranges, though.

I could make the same argument over almost anything that isn't a requirement for life (food, air, water).

For that matter... why do people buy water when it is free all around you?

Why do you need a car? You can walk or use public transportation.

Why do you need a computer? You can mail letters and packages, talk to people in person, play board/card games, and write with a pen and paper!

And so forth...

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 01:58 PM

Or buy bottled water that's priced higher than gasoline and may not be as good as your own tap water!

Or buy a cup of coffee that's priced higher than the gallon of gas that it took to go get the cup of coffee that's mostly milk and sugar!

The list is probably endless in today's economy -- recession indeed!!

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 06:29 PM

I was interested in the iPad Mini but expected a price point under $300. I'll take a closer look at the Google Nexus.

Currently I read e-books from the library on an iPod Touch. Works very well on a crowded economy airline seat. I'd prefer a 7+ inch screen, though.


A price point under $300 would have taken a bigger bite out of Amazon and others share of the 7" market but the $329 will still take a bite out of it because it's easier for most to get their kids, add them to existing accounts or it's just another iDevice that people can use.

(I do have a iPad 3 which wil be replaced by the surface pro)

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 08:14 PM

The fact that the refresh of the 10" came completely as a surprise and without weeks of speculation and rumor would lead me to believe they are more than just a bit concerned that the competition is getting serious in the tablet space.

The price on the mini is just plain stupid though. This has to be pushing the limits of what even the most die-hard apple fans will be willing to stomach. Very happy that I dumped my Gen 1's last month as they would be nearly worthless now with Gen 4's coming so quickly to market.

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 09:23 PM

What bench mark of sales of the mini would you accept as showing that the pricing is not, like, totally stupid? 1 Million? 2? 5?
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Posted 24 October 2012 - 09:54 PM

I said the price is stupid, which I believe it is. I will reserve comment wrt the intelligence level of the 1,2 or 5 million that will still purchase it.

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Posted 25 October 2012 - 04:52 AM

Not from my POV. I can't even figure out why anyone would buy books when you can get them from a library at no cost. Many years ago I began to wonder how book stores stayed in business.


Why would people buy DVDs when they could just watch the movie on HBO (when available)?

You can ask the same question of many things. Some people just plaing like to own something.

One reason I have a Kindle Fire (having previously had a Kindle 2 and Kindle DX) is that I can get virtually any book I want, (almost) any time I want. Lately there's been the complication of the publishing companies trying to inflate prices, but that's another issue. I won't pay $15 for an e-book just as I won't pay $25 for a hardcover.

A friend of mine recommended a book to me last week. I looked it up and had it on my Kindle in less than 3 minutes. It's now synched to my phone as well and I can read whenever I have a few minutes. In addition, I don't have to lug several books around when travelling.

I always have my library with me - so when my trip to the mechanic for a car inspection suddenly turns into a couple of hours to replace brakes and some other parts, I have reading material. I even have newspapers and magazines delivered to my shirt pocket.

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Posted 25 October 2012 - 05:54 AM

I'm just shocked that Apple would miss the mark this badly. It's got worse hardware and screen than the Nexus 7 at a much higher price point, and if the rumor holds true that we're looking at a shift from 8/16GB on the Nexus 7 to 16/32 then at the $249 price point you're talking about a 32GB Nexus 7. That's insane.

And it's precisely why Apple was so slow to enter the market, I suppose: they can't compete at anything below boutique pricing.

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Posted 25 October 2012 - 06:04 AM

I was interested in the iPad Mini but expected a price point under $300. I'll take a closer look at the Google Nexus.

Currently I read e-books from the library on an iPod Touch. Works very well on a crowded economy airline seat. I'd prefer a 7+ inch screen, though.

It is $70 more expensive than a 16GB Nexus, but with the 4:3 aspect ratio, 7.9 vs 7 provides a different experience a lot of folks will prefer, IMHO. If the price was equal, it would be a no-brainer for me as to which one I'd get.

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Posted 25 October 2012 - 07:34 AM

I said the price is stupid, which I believe it is. I will reserve comment wrt the intelligence level of the 1,2 or 5 million that will still purchase it.


Really? You really understand pricing and marketing better than a Fortune 100 company with the track record of Apple? If you can leave aside your remarks about stupid buyers, fanbois, etc., is there no number in sales that'd show that the pricing is all right? Are you squirming here just a bit? Come up with a number.
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Posted 25 October 2012 - 08:08 AM

I'm just shocked that Apple would miss the mark this badly. It's got worse hardware and screen than the Nexus 7 at a much higher price point, and if the rumor holds true that we're looking at a shift from 8/16GB on the Nexus 7 to 16/32 then at the $249 price point you're talking about a 32GB Nexus 7. That's insane.

And it's precisely why Apple was so slow to enter the market, I suppose: they can't compete at anything below boutique pricing.


You give all the same geek arguments that were made when the 1st iPad hit the streets, and I suspect the market will respond now just like they did then. In the marketplace geeks aren't very relevant.

Note that none of the non-Apple tablet makers will give actual sales numbers, most likely because any number that is true would look pathetic in comparison to Apple's in tablets.

I think that in the long term, Apple and Amazon will be the biggest winners by far since they both have a thriving ecosystem to back up their hardware. And that is precisely what is missing with the rest of the tablets.

As to what pricing Apple should have come in at? Well Apple has been hitting the mark as to what the market is willing to pay for what Apple is providing. I expect the Mini will find plenty of buyers and even sell more of them than any other mfg.

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Posted 25 October 2012 - 08:24 AM

Not everyone has a great library system, a book may not be available, or too many requests and not enough copies. Sure, there's Interlibrary loan, but that doesn't solve everything. Plus there's the fact that depending on how much time you have, you might end up taking more than the two weeks to read a book. Can't renew if someone requested it.


Costs us $.10 a day to hold an overdue book. Rarely have to that, but it's still wayyyyy cheaper than buying the book.

I do realize everyone doesn't have the wonderful library network we do in NJ, but I'd think most states do have some sort of library network.

I've never tried to calculate the number of books I read in a year, but I'd be paying a hefty sum if I had to buy each one.

I dunno, it's never made any sense to me to purchase a book that can be had at no charge. No matter how you choose to read a book, be it a real paper book or on a computer, tablet, whatever, it still makes no sense to me to pay for a book that you can read free of charge.

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