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#51 OFFLINE   Henry

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 09:52 AM

That "turbo trommel" is a complete joke. I mean first the engine that was put into it was no powerful enough to run it and then the inner parts can't take the wear and tear. It was poorly engineered. The guy who built and designed it had no hindsight. Todd should have never dismantled the old washplant. I just never understood the logic in doing so and I have no sympathy for him.


Yeah, he fell for some snake oil on that one. That thing cost hundreds of thousands of Dollars, not to mention the time lost and the gold it spewed out the wrong end. I wonder if Todd has any legal recourse? Man, he was really taken to the cleaners!
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Posted 22 January 2013 - 06:35 PM

well, I can see a rift coming. If next week's guide is true, how do you split the Quartz Creek and Indian River take? Some part has to go to the Investor, other has to go for rental of the dozers, purchase fuel, etc. the seven ounces collected at Quartz Creek isn't going to cover that, let alone leave any for Todd and his QC crew.

Certainly you can't mix the gold from both sites together, give half the team a pink slip and then divvy up the rest equally (when you know Todd will pink slip the IR new guys in favor of the old guys). that would give Todd and his dad a healthy cut they don't deserve. Or put in other words, can you expect Todd to try to pay for the Jack in the Beanstalk magic beans (Trommel) from the Indian River gold? Just doesn't seem fair.

I'd like to know who paid for Big Red. Turin and Dobbs built it from scratch. I'd just love it if Turin denied Todd the use of Big Red or he has to buy it from Dave for $1 more than what Todd paid for the turbo trommel.

I really see Dave Turin leaving in protest of Todd's bad treatment of his crew and then coming back in season four and competing directly with Todd for land.

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 09:52 AM

well, I can see a rift coming. If next week's guide is true, how do you split the Quartz Creek and Indian River take? Some part has to go to the Investor, other has to go for rental of the dozers, purchase fuel, etc. the seven ounces collected at Quartz Creek isn't going to cover that, let alone leave any for Todd and his QC crew.

Certainly you can't mix the gold from both sites together, give half the team a pink slip and then divvy up the rest equally (when you know Todd will pink slip the IR new guys in favor of the old guys). that would give Todd and his dad a healthy cut they don't deserve. Or put in other words, can you expect Todd to try to pay for the Jack in the Beanstalk magic beans (Trommel) from the Indian River gold? Just doesn't seem fair.

I'd like to know who paid for Big Red. Turin and Dobbs built it from scratch. I'd just love it if Turin denied Todd the use of Big Red or he has to buy it from Dave for $1 more than what Todd paid for the turbo trommel.

I really see Dave Turin leaving in protest of Todd's bad treatment of his crew and then coming back in season four and competing directly with Todd for land.


Wow, didn't realize you could get that much out of a preview.
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Posted 23 January 2013 - 10:23 AM

Keep in mind that this is a TV show. Discovery pays for alot of things, and the show also has several sponsors that pay for things.

Do you notice all the new F-350's with lift kits, huge off road tires, and suspension they've been driving around? Ford paid for those.

Jack and Todd were paid $500k for season 2, with another $100k bonus at the end of the season. I'm sure they get a bump for season 3.

Notice the company name on the side of the super trommel? I doubt Todd paid hundreds of thousands for it. They regularly get things for free, at cost, or on loan from sponsors to use on camera.

I'm suprised Catepillar hasn't stepped up and given them their latest heavy duty equipment, but they aren't a sponsor.

The pressure from outside "investors" is added in for drama to the show. Discovery dishes out money for running costs to make sure the show will be successful. It comes back to them in ratings and ad revenue.

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 11:39 AM

Keep in mind that this is a TV show. Discovery pays for alot of things, and the show also has several sponsors that pay for things.

Do you notice all the new F-350's with lift kits, huge off road tires, and suspension they've been driving around? Ford paid for those.

Jack and Todd were paid $500k for season 2, with another $100k bonus at the end of the season. I'm sure they get a bump for season 3.

Notice the company name on the side of the super trommel? I doubt Todd paid hundreds of thousands for it. They regularly get things for free, at cost, or on loan from sponsors to use on camera.

I'm suprised Catepillar hasn't stepped up and given them their latest heavy duty equipment, but they aren't a sponsor.

The pressure from outside "investors" is added in for drama to the show. Discovery dishes out money for running costs to make sure the show will be successful. It comes back to them in ratings and ad revenue.


If my company name was on the side of the "Super Trammel" I would be paying to have it removed.

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 12:31 PM

When they first brought that trammel on site I figured they got a pretty good discount if not free for having that name on the side of it (and having Todd talk it up as the future), then figured like Scott that after it started up the guy was probably wishing he never put it on there... :lol:
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Posted 23 January 2013 - 01:34 PM

It makes more sense (to me, anyway) if Todd & Co. negotiated with the producers/sponsors so that they wouldn't have to share the gold take. That of course means that Todd would have to be self-suficient, and hence the investors. It makes even more sense if Scott's right and Jack & Tood make 1/2 mil each just for showing up on screen.

If all of the equipment is paid for by the producers/sponsors, then why the need for investors; unless the cost of fuel, food and shelter are so astronomically high the it needed to be financed from without.

I'm probably all wet and nieve here, but lacking info to the contrary, it makes reasonable sense.
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Posted 23 January 2013 - 04:06 PM

Sharing the gold is between them and Todd & Co.

I still talk to one of network reps I had to deal with at Discovery Communications in my TV days.

They are all under contract with Discovery. They get a flate rate per episode that they appear in. This includes the crew members you don't see much of. Outside of the major roles, It's about 2k per episode, with a bonus for agreeing to a certain amount of "After" shows and outside media appearances.

The Hoffman crew didn't just walk away with 8 grand a piece last year after complaining of possibly ending up going home with nothing. That was all for drama. Most of the Hoffman crew walked away with 50k+ from Discovery for the season + whatever profit sharing in Gold. Dave now has a bigger role on the show, so I'm sure they gave him a bigger contract this season. In terms of being Gold Miners, they all made crap last year for all that hard work, which is true.

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 08:02 PM

Disappointed they didn't take the drama aspect of the merger, instead of the happy team approach.

FWIW, they got 45 oz with double crew when Team Turin got 53oz the week before. Even if you prorate the 45oz for six days work (due to loss of Big Red for a day due to hydraulic motor problem) it works out that they did the same number of oz per day with DOUBLE the crew. Investor was right, should fire half the combined crew as they aren't adding to the total.

The only way the additional people could help is to take Quartz Creek paydirt to Big Red during the night. They aren't doing that, so there is no increased productivity.

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 09:23 PM

Disappointed they didn't take the drama aspect of the merger, instead of the happy team approach.

FWIW, they got 45 oz with double crew when Team Turin got 53oz the week before. Even if you prorate the 45oz for six days work (due to loss of Big Red for a day due to hydraulic motor problem) it works out that they did the same number of oz per day with DOUBLE the crew. Investor was right, should fire half the combined crew as they aren't adding to the total.

The only way the additional people could help is to take Quartz Creek paydirt to Big Red during the night. They aren't doing that, so there is no increased productivity.


Was the 53 oz haul from just one week's worth of work or several weeks?

But yeah there's way to many people there. So much so that most barely get any screen time and when they finally do you're like wait who was that guy? The only new guy that stands out is the mechanic.

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 09:48 AM

Disappointed they didn't take the drama aspect of the merger, instead of the happy team approach.

FWIW, they got 45 oz with double crew when Team Turin got 53oz the week before. Even if you prorate the 45oz for six days work (due to loss of Big Red for a day due to hydraulic motor problem) it works out that they did the same number of oz per day with DOUBLE the crew. Investor was right, should fire half the combined crew as they aren't adding to the total.

The only way the additional people could help is to take Quartz Creek paydirt to Big Red during the night. They aren't doing that, so there is no increased productivity.

Yeah, I can't figure that one out. There you have Parker on his new claim driving over 2 miles for each paydirt, and Todd's team can't do the same thing? I was always on Todd's side, but this year I am loosing patients with him. Dave should be in charge from now on

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 10:05 AM

My guess is that they are saving the recovery of QC tailing gold for better effect later or closer to the season ending. It's probably happened already, but producers being what they are will milk this one.

I hope Parker hits it big at the new site.

I have nothing but warm wishes and hopes for more breakdowns for Fred. ;)
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 11:11 AM

It looks like Parker is going to have the most profitable season.

Was anybody else yelling at the TV for them to just have a spotter behind the dump truck during the night shift!?!?

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 11:31 AM

It looks like Parker is going to have the most profitable season.

Was anybody else yelling at the TV for them to just have a spotter behind the dump truck during the night shift!?!?


I was yelling use some flares like you did last season, dumb arses :D

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 11:56 AM

Todd's single mindness on getting to 1000 oz nearly destroyed the Big Red wash plant. It's not his, after all. It's Fred Dodge and Dave Turin's design and if Todd runs it into the ground (literally), it couldn't be anything that Todd did, Right? Of all the gear at Indian River, they have some form of back up for every piece of gear except the wash plant. If it breaks, they are done. So it should be handled with some form of respect, but no....

I don't see why Todd doesn't have the mechanic work on the turbo trammel when no other issues are present. Get it ready for next season, or to sell, whatever, but Todd will probably make plans for it next season that will take half the season to get it into order. Get it fixed now... for next year.

There is something called preventive maintenance and if you are going to refuse to do that, or force people into real safety issues to gain production there is a real problem that the government should get involved with (ordering a truck to dump at cliff in the dark). If the truck had gone over the hill, it would have been a total shut down of the mine and Todd would have been recorded as ordering the unsafe procedure against the driver's recommendation and Todd would have been found criminally negligent in a court.

If I were whatever government agency responsible for safety at Indian River and watched the 'Night Shift' episode, I'd be contacting the show and asking for all unedited footage, interviewing the crew and be writing six figure fines if what played out on TV was an accurate portrayal of events for the Hoffman crew.

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 01:43 PM

It looks like Parker is going to have the most profitable season.


I'm keeping my fingers crossed. :D
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Posted 15 February 2013 - 09:08 PM

Wow after tonight's episode, it kind of makes you wonder how much more gold the Hoffman crew would've mined if they had BOTH dig sites open. I think they'll either come really close to breaking 1000 oz or go over.

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Posted 17 February 2013 - 07:34 PM

Wow after tonight's episode, it kind of makes you wonder how much more gold the Hoffman crew would've mined if they had BOTH dig sites open. I think they'll either come really close to breaking 1000 oz or go over.


Is there any paydirt left? Indian River is done and they used up all the Quartz Creek dirt they had stockpiled. There may be more to dig, but can they get 300 oz worth? they had what, 10000 yards of QC dirt and got 200 oz, or about one oz per 50 yards. So they are going to have to dig up 15000 yards and run it though the wash plant in two weeks (supposedly) left in the season?

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 08:14 AM

Is there any paydirt left? Indian River is done and they used up all the Quartz Creek dirt they had stockpiled. There may be more to dig, but can they get 300 oz worth? they had what, 10000 yards of QC dirt and got 200 oz, or about one oz per 50 yards. So they are going to have to dig up 15000 yards and run it though the wash plant in two weeks (supposedly) left in the season?


It's a good question especially with them digging up the garbage on the waterfront area that the trommel builder suggested. And wasn't it the only reason they dug the waterfront area to begin with, because they dug up all of the Quartz Creek property?

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 08:27 AM

Maybe they could just run the dirt at the end of the sluice box at IR and the trommel at QC. They keep talking about how they lost gold out of each, but they never go get it. They actually use the phrase "gone forever" when discussing it. Am I missing something, or are they borderline retarded? I would be psyched if I panned that dirt and found gold, and they act like it's the end of the world. You know where the gold is, isn't that 2/3 of the battle?

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 01:21 AM

I think they have a good chance of reaching it just from hauling pay dirt up from the other claim.

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 03:01 AM

Maybe they could just run the dirt at the end of the sluice box at IR and the trommel at QC. They keep talking about how they lost gold out of each, but they never go get it. They actually use the phrase "gone forever" when discussing it. Am I missing something, or are they borderline retarded? I would be psyched if I panned that dirt and found gold, and they act like it's the end of the world. You know where the gold is, isn't that 2/3 of the battle?


There would be some gold in the tailings but most would have washed right on out to the river.

Though I watch the show for entertainment, the numbers don't add up. When you look at the amount of very expensive heavy equipment they all use compared to the amount of gold they supposedly find, none of the three could possibly be covering all their expenses. TV revenue has to be supplementing operating costs so it is no surprise dramatic value outweighs good business practices throughout this show. I would rate this show maybe 5% reality and 95% dramatic interpretation.

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 06:21 AM

There would be some gold in the tailings but most would have washed right on out to the river.


It's basically a closed system. Water comes out of the sluice box and goes into a holding pond to be reused. Also, gold is extremely heavy, like twice as heavy as lead, it doesn't easily wash anywhere.

And the gold at QC wasn't lost from the sluice box, but out the end of the trommel, so no water involved.

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 04:48 AM

It's basically a closed system. Water comes out of the sluice box and goes into a holding pond to be reused. Also, gold is extremely heavy, like twice as heavy as lead, it doesn't easily wash anywhere.

And the gold at QC wasn't lost from the sluice box, but out the end of the trommel, so no water involved.


Are you sure it's a closed system? I remember a season or two ago they tried a closed system but the water was too dirty and kept clogging the pump. I also recall them digging a canal to feed the holding pond at the beginning of the season and they were afraid it didn't have the right pitch to supply water.

As to gold being heavy, that's true but the flakes are so tiny, especially in comparison to the volume of water and material being run, it is easily washed away. That is exactly why sluice box design and frequent clean outs are so important.

With that said I think it would make sense to rerun the tailings when a lot of gold was presumed lost-especially in the trommel but as I alluded to before, drama takes precedence over common sense or sound business practice in determining what we see. For all we know, they may routinely rerun the tailings but it would probably make for some boring TV. ;)

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 09:57 AM

[...] With that said I think it would make sense to rerun the tailings when a lot of gold was presumed lost-especially in the trommel but as I alluded to before, drama takes precedence over common sense or sound business practice in determining what we see. For all we know, they may routinely rerun the tailings but it would probably make for some boring TV. ;)


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