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#226 OFFLINE   Sixto

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 03:58 PM

Getting clearer and clearer each day ... current thinking ...

Honda EU6500iS (inverter generator with perfect power - no issue with UPS')
Tri-fuel Kit from Central Maine Diesel (will hook to natural gas)
Natural Gas port at back of the house (plumber will install)
Power Inlet Port at back of house, wired to Circuit Breaker box
Interlock Kit for my Murray Circuit Breaker box to swap between main & generator power

This will give me clean power to all electronics including DirecTV, sourced from natural gas, but also flexible to also do gasoline or propane if ever needed. Also can take it with me if we ever move, and will use window a/c if needed. Uses between 67-95 CFH for Gas, vesus 93-193 CFH for whole-home.

May change my mind again, but refining this to something doable.

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#227 OFFLINE   Sixto

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 04:00 PM

Also going to get a meter like the TED unit to monitor my current watt usage before making any final decision.

Have been using the Kill-A-Watt unit for measuring outlets, but about to pick up a whole home meter like the TED.
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Posted 07 December 2012 - 04:49 PM

Getting clearer and clearer each day ... current thinking ...

Honda EU6500iS (inverter generator with perfect power - no issue with UPS')
Tri-fuel Kit from Central Maine Diesel (will hook to natural gas)
Natural Gas port at back of the house (plumber will install)
Power Inlet Port at back of house, wired to Circuit Breaker box
Interlock Kit for my Murray Circuit Breaker box to swap between main & generator power

This will give me clean power to all electronics including DirecTV, sourced from natural gas, but also flexible to also do gasoline or propane if ever needed. Also can take it with me if we ever move, and will use window a/c if needed. Uses between 67-95 CFH for Gas, vesus 93-193 CFH for whole-home.

May change my mind again, but refining this to something doable.

NG & propane would be a good choice. They don't break down during periods where your not using the genny, like gasoline does. And, they don't pollute the oil with blow by while it is running. You can go for a longer period of time between oil changes.

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 05:01 PM

Getting clearer and clearer each day ... current thinking ...

Honda EU6500iS (inverter generator with perfect power - no issue with UPS')
Tri-fuel Kit from Central Maine Diesel (will hook to natural gas)
Natural Gas port at back of the house (plumber will install)
Power Inlet Port at back of house, wired to Circuit Breaker box
Interlock Kit for my Murray Circuit Breaker box to swap between main & generator power

This will give me clean power to all electronics including DirecTV, sourced from natural gas, but also flexible to also do gasoline or propane if ever needed. Also can take it with me if we ever move, and will use window a/c if needed. Uses between 67-95 CFH for Gas, vesus 93-193 CFH for whole-home.

May change my mind again, but refining this to something doable.


My dad picked up one of the Honda eu6500 and they are extremely nice. Extremely quite which is important IMHO and very efficient. Also fairly small, and is really an enclosed style which is also nice. Natural gas is not really a smart move out here in California, unless you are on a big ranch and have your own giant propane tank. ;)

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 08:21 PM

Aren't most of your weather situations you will need this for give you a decent lead time to accumulate gas?


Not for the Derecho last June. Came out of no where and traveled 700 miles (from Chicago to south of DC) in 10 hours. We had one local station that had power (and gas) so one day I waited in line for gas and the next day my neighbor waited. At least no one here gouged.

Bought the 17kW Generac 2 days in from HD. Just rigged it enough to backfeed my panels to get us through then installed it properly. It has been used twice since then, once for a 7-8 hour outage due to copper thieves and then for 4 days during snowstorm Sandy.

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 10:36 PM

My dad picked up one of the Honda eu6500 and they are extremely nice. Extremely quite which is important IMHO and very efficient. Also fairly small, and is really an enclosed style which is also nice. Natural gas is not really a smart move out here in California, unless you are on a big ranch and have your own giant propane tank. ;)

Yep, as with most things, analyze and analyze until I zero in on the answer, and the EU6500iS is becoming clearer and clearer, been getting up to speed on all the youtube info tonight.

The EU6500iS seems to have a lot going for it. Small. Quiet. Inverter with clean power which is huge because of my lousy experience with UPS' during Sandy, I'd rather not need to touch any of the UPS' when on generator power. I'll be able to patch right into the circuit breaker box with the Interlock Kit. I probably only really need a few thousand watts anyway, and the natural gas load will be much more manageable with the smaller unit. I won't need to find a spot in the backyard for a permanent whole home unit, nor need a maintenance contract, and won't need to deal with a long trench to run the gas and electric, and all the building inspector stuff. I'll be able to take this all with me if we ever move, and I'll probably save several thousand $, though the EU6500iS unit is actually more expensive then the 14kw Kohler, but again the inverter is something I desire.

My only worry at the moment is the warranty status with the after market Tri-fuel add-on, and also the more I think about this tonight if I go with the local Honda guy (who I like) I'll need to pay sales tax on the $4K for the Honda, but I guess it is what it is.

Tomorrow's another day, and more analyzing. :)
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Posted 07 December 2012 - 11:00 PM

I use an EU6500 and will totally recommend it. It runs the whole house with no issues, while the AC is not an option where I live that is not a big deal. The only time i have to be careful is when I am running water as the well pump takes about 40% of the 6500s output. If you do have any high start load appliances you do need to shut off the auto throttle as the throttle cant respond fast enough to the start load and it may kill the engine
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Posted 07 December 2012 - 11:19 PM

Inverter with clean power which is huge because of my lousy experience with UPS' during Sandy, I'd rather not need to touch any of the UPS' when on generator power.


I don't think this would be a problem with a higher end generator that is properly regulated. The low cost units you get at Home Depot, Lowe's, etc., tend to run a bit high in both voltage and frequency, which plays hell with UPS' running off them. A quality "whole home" generator should be a lot cleaner with regard to the supplied power - proper voltage and frequency - and UPS running off them should be no problem.

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 12:12 AM

I don't think this would be a problem with a higher end generator that is properly regulated. The low cost units you get at Home Depot, Lowe's, etc., tend to run a bit high in both voltage and frequency, which plays hell with UPS' running off them. A quality "whole home" generator should be a lot cleaner with regard to the supplied power - proper voltage and frequency - and UPS running off them should be no problem.

Yep Carl, if I decide on a non whole home then the inverter type is the only option I'd consider.
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Posted 08 December 2012 - 06:59 AM

Yea also the good whole home gens have electronic governers on the engine and solid state voltage regulators in them to provide you 60 cycles and 240 volts all the time. Full load or no load.

The generac and kohler home standy by stuff has solid state voltage regulators but theg have mechanical governers and run at 3600 rpm. Hince why the honda inverter runs so good. Electronic governer.

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 11:11 AM

That's smart. But being dry is preferable. Something about standing in pouring rain plugging in, or otherwise messing with electrical connections, does NOT appeal to me. And I think the generator requires it.


Hence the tarp I use strung between trees. Still, I trust the GFIs completely and there are not many other electrical devices I can say that about. In fact, I can't think of any that are as reliable as GFIs.

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 11:13 AM

More than once.


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Posted 08 December 2012 - 11:32 AM

Yep, as with most things, analyze and analyze until I zero in on the answer, and the EU6500iS is becoming clearer and clearer, been getting up to speed on all the youtube info tonight.

The EU6500iS seems to have a lot going for it. Small. Quiet. Inverter with clean power which is huge because of my lousy experience with UPS' during Sandy, I'd rather not need to touch any of the UPS' when on generator power. I'll be able to patch right into the circuit breaker box with the Interlock Kit. I probably only really need a few thousand watts anyway, and the natural gas load will be much more manageable with the smaller unit. I won't need to find a spot in the backyard for a permanent whole home unit, nor need a maintenance contract, and won't need to deal with a long trench to run the gas and electric, and all the building inspector stuff. I'll be able to take this all with me if we ever move, and I'll probably save several thousand $, though the EU6500iS unit is actually more expensive then the 14kw Kohler, but again the inverter is something I desire.

My only worry at the moment is the warranty status with the after market Tri-fuel add-on, and also the more I think about this tonight if I go with the local Honda guy (who I like) I'll need to pay sales tax on the $4K for the Honda, but I guess it is what it is.

Tomorrow's another day, and more analyzing. :)


Please keep analyzing, saves us the agita of dealing with unknowns. Couple questions: Which TED are you buying? The $239 model looks interesting.

Did you ask the Honda dealer if that after market device was something they offered or would install? I went thru a similar thing a couple years ago when we bought a Mercury Milan for my wife's commute. Didn't come with a remote start option, but they'd install one for $479 (or $499, can't remember). When I told the salesman I could have one installed locally for ~ $200, he told me the warranty would be invalidated if I did that. Kind of doubted that, but didn't feel like arguing. Wish I would have spent that money for them to install it, my wife's been bitching about not having it since she got the car.

One more question: how long is the warranty on the Honda?

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 02:56 PM

Haven't decided on the TED yet. Also saw another unit, need to decide. Will post what I get.

The local Honda dealer said that he would install the Tri Fuel kit, but I need to go down and confirm. All conversation up to now has been over the phone.

Honda warranty is 3 years.

Edited by Sixto, 08 December 2012 - 10:24 PM.

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 03:36 PM

One opinion is that a manual full load transfer switch is better, but I may still go with the Interlock Kit, it's just so simple, and seems to be just as safe. With the transfer switch I'd need to re-route the main house 240v service and not sure that I want to do that for little benefit.

Also some thought that I could run the generator within the existing natural gas meter, by just not using everything at the same time, but I may do the upgrade any way. It may depend on the cost, which I don't yet have a quote for.

Edited by Sixto, 08 December 2012 - 10:23 PM.

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 06:12 PM

I fitted the GenTent on my Briggs+Stratton today. Very nice design.

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 10:13 PM

... Which TED are you buying? ...

Leaning towards TED 5000-G. Just also found a few great looking iPhone Apps for TED.

And convinced of portable inverter generator more then ever now. Also added one more item to my pro's column ... thinking it's much better to be able to store a portable unit in the garage and keep it out of the weather while not in use, vs whole house standby that will get weathered over the years.

Purchase list:
  • Portable Invertor Generator
  • Tri-Fuel Kit
  • GenTent or build some cover off house
  • 4 prong 240v electric cable for generator to inlet port
  • 4-prong 30A inlet port (backyard wall)
  • 10-guage wire from inlet port to electric panel
  • 30A backfeed circuit breaker (takes up two slots)
  • InterLock Kit for electric panel
  • Natural gas line outside - piping & gas port (backyard wall)
  • Natural gas hose for generator to gas connector
  • Possible gas meter upgrade
Portable Inverter with Tri-Fuel connector - Pro's:
  • Small
  • Quiet (50-60db)
  • Clean power (UPS' will be fine)
  • Easy maintenance, no need for generator home maintenance contract
  • When used with InterLock Kit, should be able to power all of the essentials in the house with no extension cords
  • Natural gas, no need for gasoline if gasoline is constrained, but also still could be powered by gasoline or propane in case of a natural disaster that disables the natural gas line
  • Portable, can be stored in the garage and protected from weather when not in use
  • Portable, can take with me if ever I move, and no need to permanently connect to home and avoids any construction and permits that may be needed for large Generac/Kohler unit. Also no need to permanently dedicate backyard space.
  • Much less natural gas needed, less then 100CFH, as compared to big whole home unit
  • Less overall $, both upfront and ongoing
This is all one person's opinion ... for this one home owner situation ... certainly understand that others may want a true whole home permanently mounted automatic standby unit. :)

Edited by Sixto, 08 December 2012 - 10:41 PM.

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 11:13 AM

Haven't decided on the TED yet. Also saw another unit, need to decide. Will post what I get.


I really got a thing for meters. I do wish I hadn't seen that. Now I want one. I think I only saw 2 Teds that were for single phase.

The local Honda dealer said that he would install the Tri Fuel kit, but I need to go down and confirm. All conversation up to now has been over the phone.


Yeah, you need that in writing. Suppose the guy that told you that died. I have over $10,000 in plastic fencing around my property and the guy that installed it all guarantees his work for life. Unfortunately, and very sadly, I really like this guy, he has cancer, so the lifetime warranty dies with him and his company when he passes. Seemed pretty healthy the last time I saw him.

Honda warranty is 3 years.


We used to use them in our plant and most contractors that we employed used them. Very dependable.

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 11:20 AM

One opinion is that a manual full load transfer switch is better, but I may still go with the Interlock Kit, it's just so simple, and seems to be just as safe. With the transfer switch I'd need to re-route the main house 240v service and not sure that I want to do that for little benefit.


Bit of a PITA, but with PVC rather than conduit, it's much easier. Thing about that interlock kit is you have to be there. My main concern during storms is my three sump pumps. I have two fireplaces and access to a gully full of blown down trees, so heating the house isn't a problem. A/C is another story, both my wife and son have terrible allergies and we need the A/C for health reasons.

Also some thought that I could run the generator within the existing natural gas meter, by just not using everything at the same time, but I may do the upgrade any way. It may depend on the cost, which I don't yet have a quote for.


I kinda doubt the code inspector would let you do that. I know our power company wouldn't.

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 11:31 AM

Leaning towards TED 5000-G. Just also found a few great looking iPhone Apps for TED.


I think I'd go with the 5000-C. For $40 more it looks neater.

If you do go with a portable genny, what kind of disconnect do you get for the NG?

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 11:05 PM

I think I'd go with the 5000-C. For $40 more it looks neater.

If you do go with a portable genny, what kind of disconnect do you get for the NG?

The more I investigate the TED, it does have it's issues. It uses X10 to communicate and I see lots of comments of people with issues, may need inline filter to eliminate interference, not sold on it yet.

Now leaning towards getting the inverter working first with gasoline, test everything out with inlet/wiring/interlock, and then after success then convert to tri-fuel and do that myself which will allow me to understand the conversion, test everything before any modification, and have the option to switch back if I need to since I'll have both methods tested.

Now have everything figured out mostly, expect this will take a couple of months, hopefully no storms in the meantime!
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Posted 10 December 2012 - 10:08 AM

here is a link for winco generators.they make tri- fuel gennys .

http://www.wincogen....uel_generators/

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 11:34 AM

here is a link for winco generators.they make tri- fuel gennys .

http://www.wincogen....uel_generators/

Personally ruled them out due to noise (72 dba) and non-inverter, but others may be interested.
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Posted 10 December 2012 - 01:52 PM

I could do what you're considering myself, but to what end? Still need gasoline. That's the real beauty of the NG gennys, we've never lost our gas supply.

Perhaps Sandy is the last we'll see of this type of storm in our lifetimes, but it also might be the precursor to even worse storms in the near future. NYC is actually thinking of building tidal barriers such as London has and the Netherlands have. They're not planning on spending that kind of money on a whim.

I really think a reasonably priced NG genny is the right way to go. Now I have to figure out just how large a genny I need. Not hard to do, just add up all your absolutely necessary wattages and add a bit more for "luxuries" and you'll come up with a reasonable figure.
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Yes, this is the $64,000 question.


That's what we said after Irene knocked out power for 3 days. Then we had the October 2011 snowstorm that knocked out power for 5 days, and we got a 4kW portable generator. Now Sandy knocked out power for 8 days and, after we went through the 15 gallons of gasoline we had stockpiled, we couldn't get gas to keep it going. This is after losing power for no more than 12 hours in the prior 18 years we have lived in this house.

We will make the deal for a 17kW whole house Generac next week...just giving the local dealer the opportunity to match the quote we have from a dealer an hour away.


I can't argue with this logic or Rich's but based on my personal experience I'm just 'not there yet' so I will take Tom's approach for now....only time will tell if I need to take it to the next level. :grin:


I saw myself going down this same road last year after the freak October snowstorm left me without power for a week. I was gonna go whole-hog, but then took a step back and realized that this was a freak thing and that I could get away with much less.

So I went with a 7000 watt portable Gas driven generator and hooked a 220v power inlet box to the back of the house. The total cost was about $800 for everything. I lost power for 10 days during sandy, and while it was not as convenient as a home-standby, my life was 90% normal with lights, hot showers, TV and of course cold freezer and fridge.

So I suggest anybody looking to get a generator stop and think how much you may need it, and how much is inconvenient for you. You may find you can get by with alot less.


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Posted 10 December 2012 - 11:58 PM

Yes, this is the $64,000 question.

Any one in the northern 2/3rds of the country, as long as they have overhead power lines, has a chance on seeing a moderate power disruption. Mainly due to ice storms. Then theirs always the more local disruptions due to a transformer blowing out or a tree limb knocking out a line. These are usually fixed within 24 hrs, but it will be nice to have the luxury to mostly go on without feeling the affects.

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