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#261 OFFLINE   Rich

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 12:25 PM

Again, personal preference to me. The disadvantage to the interlock is that it does make you choose one source or the other for everything, period. Of course you don't have to have all the circuits on, but then in some houses that have multiple sub panels in differne threads, this is more of a hassle.

I'll have to re read but the one I linked based on a quick view of how its wired, allows you to leave other circuits wired to the main service and turned on, because the transfer panel is wired in after the main panels circuit breakers, and there fore chooses a source for the circuit after the main panel circuit breaker for that circuit, and not a source for the actual panel.


Anyway you look at it, the automatic transfer switch is the best way to go. I've worked on them and as soon as the juice comes back the switch flips and you are back on the grid. We used big diesel generators in our plant and never had a problem. With the transfer switches, I mean. The generators were old and a pain, but that's another story.

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 12:42 PM

Anyway you look at it, the automatic transfer switch is the best way to go. I've worked on them and as soon as the juice comes back the switch flips and you are back on the grid. We used big diesel generators in our plant and never had a problem. With the transfer switches, I mean. The generators were old and a pain, but that's another story.

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I don't think anyone here has suggested a automated one. Do you have any suggestions?

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 02:19 PM

I bought my home in Piscataway in 1986 and for 10 years we had no problems. Then we had a "500" year storm. OK, we got thru that, I figured I might not live another 500 years, so we were safe. Next came a "1,000" year storm. Then, we got a "1,500" year storm and I stopped believing that stuff completely.

Wonder what Sandy was? Was it just an anomaly or are we doomed to get these massive storms periodically now? I'm not really ready to take that chance. Not with the Raritan River just a few hundred feet from my home. I can run my sump pumps off my 5500 portable genny, that's not a problem. My mailman still doesn't have power and he's got a well and a septic system. Same town. That really bothers me.

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Rich, no doubt your history in your house warrants a permanently installed standby generator. I've been in my house in Clifton since 1988 and we've been very lucky with respect to power outages....we've never experienced anything like Sandy and we're hoping (gambling I guess) that we never will again. Flooding hasn't been an issue for us either. So, for me, a portable generator will be my backup for the next power outage.....only time will tell if my gamble pays off.
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Posted 12 December 2012 - 02:24 PM

Anyway you look at it, the automatic transfer switch is the best way to go. I've worked on them and as soon as the juice comes back the switch flips and you are back on the grid. We used big diesel generators in our plant and never had a problem. With the transfer switches, I mean. The generators were old and a pain, but that's another story.

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Absolutely, anyone getting a permanently installed standby generator would be crazy not to have an automatic transfer switch...unfortunately, as I'm sure you're well aware, aren't an option (for obvious reasons) for portable generators.
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Posted 12 December 2012 - 02:47 PM

Absolutely, anyone getting a permanently installed standby generator would be crazy not to have an automatic transfer switch...unfortunately, as I'm sure you're well aware, aren't an option (for obvious reasons) for portable generators.


I don't see why a portable generator couldn't be rigged with an automatic switch. Most of the bigger ones (5000 watts and up) have electric start, so it shouldn't be too hard to automate it.

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 02:50 PM

I don't see why a portable generator couldn't be rigged with an automatic switch. Most of the bigger ones (5000 watts and up) have electric start, so it shouldn't be too hard to automate it.


I'd really only be concerned about it going back to service power and ending generator dependence.

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 02:58 PM

I'd really only be concerned about it going back to service power and ending generator dependence.


Yeah that could be tricky.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 10:02 AM

TED 5000-G is awesome. It took about an hour to setup, and now have full browser dashboard with power usage to the second, and history.

Very cool ... it's an excellent indicator of normal watt requirements by hour for a typical day, when planning for generator.
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Posted 14 December 2012 - 10:46 AM

I don't think anyone here has suggested a automated one. Do you have any suggestions?


I believe most of the whole home gennys either include an automatic transfer switch or recommend one. The big automatic transfer switches I've worked with come on so quickly you hardly know you've lost power from the grid.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 10:55 AM

Rich, no doubt your history in your house warrants a permanently installed standby generator. I've been in my house in Clifton since 1988 and we've been very lucky with respect to power outages....we've never experienced anything like Sandy and we're hoping (gambling I guess) that we never will again. Flooding hasn't been an issue for us either. So, for me, a portable generator will be my backup for the next power outage.....only time will tell if my gamble pays off.


I just sent an email to 101.5 asking them to bring up the question of forcing all gas stations to be equipped with emergency generators as Florida does. If they can get the ball rolling, you're right. If things stay the same and your power goes out for 7 weeks, as is still happening is some places, where do you get the gas for a stretch like that?

Yeah, it's a gamble.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 11:02 AM

Absolutely, anyone getting a permanently installed standby generator would be crazy not to have an automatic transfer switch...unfortunately, as I'm sure you're well aware, aren't an option (for obvious reasons) for portable generators.


I could make one. Just takes a couple contactors. Don't know what the code enforcement people would think of that... :lol:

Seriously, portable gennys are just that: Portable. I don't think using a using an automatic device of any sort would be of help. Probably end up wrecking the genny or burning down the house. So, yeah, it is pretty obvious.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 11:05 AM

I don't see why a portable generator couldn't be rigged with an automatic switch. Most of the bigger ones (5000 watts and up) have electric start, so it shouldn't be too hard to automate it.


Suppose your home runs (wattage-wise) at a much higher wattage than the genny? Something is gonna blow as soon as that switch kicks in. Not a good idea.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 11:09 AM

Suppose your home runs (wattage-wise) at a much higher wattage than the genny? Something is gonna blow as soon as that switch kicks in. Not a good idea.

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Well most generators have a breaker, so it would just turn the generator off.

The idea is to get one that is strong enough though, if you're going to have it come on automatically.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 11:09 AM

I'd really only be concerned about it going back to service power and ending generator dependence.


That would be feasible, the problem would be getting that accepted by the code official and your insurance company. I'm not sure where the NEC stands on generators.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 11:14 AM

Well most generators have a breaker, so it would just turn the generator off.


Then what's the point of having it? I have seen enough destroyed CBs in my working life to be just a bit leery of them.

The idea is to get one that is strong enough though, if you're going to have it come on automatically.


Then you might as well get the whole home genny. Much safer.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 11:17 AM

Does anyone have a quick answer to this: How long would two large propane tanks last running a whole home genny? My mother and father's home never had NG and we had propane tanks just to cook with. I have no idea if two of them would last weeks or months running a whole home genny.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 11:52 AM

I just sent an email to 101.5 asking them to bring up the question of forcing all gas stations to be equipped with emergency generators as Florida does. If they can get the ball rolling, you're right. If things stay the same and your power goes out for 7 weeks, as is still happening is some places, where do you get the gas for a stretch like that?

Yeah, it's a gamble.

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Knowing what I know now, I'll only need enough gas to make the drive from Clifton to Piscataway. :lol:
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Posted 14 December 2012 - 12:05 PM

Knowing what I know now, I'll only need enough gas to make the drive from Clifton to Piscataway. :lol:


Just got the reply from 101.5. The bill to make the gas stations have gennys is in the legislature right now. They did have a discussion about it on the radio, I just missed it. If I can get gas, the need for a whole house genny goes down considerably.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 12:26 PM

Does anyone have a quick answer to this: How long would two large propane tanks last running a whole home genny? My mother and father's home never had NG and we had propane tanks just to cook with. I have no idea if two of them would last weeks or months running a whole home genny.

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If you're talking about 100gal tanks, maybe a week or so based on what I've been able to glean from this thread:

http://www.spyderlov...ll=1#post480539
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Posted 14 December 2012 - 01:07 PM

If you're talking about 100gal tanks, maybe a week or so based on what I've been able to glean from this thread:

http://www.spyderlov...ll=1#post480539


Well, back to NG.... :lol:

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