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#226 OFFLINE   Rich

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 02:43 PM

I must admit, I didn't read through all the posts but my HR22 is somewhat okay at times but at other times, it slows to a crawl when advancing through the guide or changing channels. It seems like minutes (though I'm sure its much shorter) to move forward after a key press while in the guide or to change to another channel. Also, at times, the remote seems not to want to take in key presses very well and changes to channels I didn't want. In fact, I have two RC64R's and it happens to both.

I have several friends with Dish and they wonder why I would put up with this. Well I been with DTV for sometime and keep hoping it will improve.

So my question, if I upgraded to a HR24 or HR34 (assuming I could do that), would the performance improve significantly? My other option is obviously to go to Dish.


A 24 will simply blow that 22-100 away.

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 03:15 PM

A 24 will simply blow that 22-100 away.

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You are being kind.

#228 OFFLINE   stroh

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 03:16 PM

I started this thread on 11/16/12 and got my HR34/C31 installed on 11/19/12 and I have to say that everything I was complaining about has been corrected. I haven't had any problems with the new setup. Remote response is as it should be, menu/guide speed is vastly improved and quite acceptable, and the extra tuners and PIP are a bonus!

The only hiccup is that my wife doesn't like that she can't delete shows from the C31 after she has finished watching (no keep or delete popup at the end).

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 03:30 PM

I started this thread on 11/16/12 and got my HR34/C31 installed on 11/19/12 and I have to say that everything I was complaining about has been corrected. I haven't had any problems with the new setup. Remote response is as it should be, menu/guide speed is vastly improved and quite acceptable, and the extra tuners and PIP are a bonus!

The only hiccup is that my wife doesn't like that she can't delete shows from the C31 after she has finished watching (no keep or delete popup at the end).


That's a bug. First try making sure that all the settings in Whole Home Service section of settings are set to allow, and if that has no effect, do a search here abut that issue, there are a couple threads about it. It may be in the way DIRECTV set it up, and they may need to redo some authorization on their end.

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 04:41 PM

A 24 will simply blow that 22-100 away.

Rich


Thanks, am I safe in assuming that a HR34 is also faster than a HR22?

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 04:47 PM

Yes, though some say it as fast as a 24, but does a lot more work.

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 05:18 PM

Yes, though some say it [isn't] as fast as a 24, but does a lot more work.

Was this what you meant?
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Posted 01 December 2012 - 06:26 PM

Yeah, dang iPad :)

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 07:52 PM

In response to the original post, all DVRs 24 and below are sloooow! Regular receivers are snappy. I have no experience with the 34 as DTV wants to sodomize in exchange for one them.

Edited by tomski35, 01 December 2012 - 09:54 PM.


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Posted 01 December 2012 - 08:44 PM

Is it really fair to compare something that only runs in memory compared to a hard drive? Memory always wins compared to a rotating disc.

And we won't be seeing solid state DVRs in the foreseeable future.

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 09:09 PM

Is it really fair to compare something that only runs in memory compared to a hard drive? Memory always wins compared to a rotating disc.

And we won't be seeing solid state DVRs in the foreseeable future.


I really don't think the speed issues are all that related to having hard drives. They just plain flat out do a hole lot more though, so you can't expect the exact same performance.

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 09:45 PM

For things like guide performance, I think it does make a difference.

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 07:07 AM

In response to the original post, all DVRs 24 and below are sloooow!


All 4 of my HR24-500s are Fast so maybe something is wrong in the way you have yours setup.

I run a Customized Guide which helps speed up the Guide a bit.
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Posted 02 December 2012 - 08:38 AM

I really don't think the speed issues are all that related to having hard drives. They just plain flat out do a hole lot more though, so you can't expect the exact same performance.


But you have to ask yourself, why are the DISH DVRs so much faster. They also have a lot of functionality. I suspect it is either with the software design, or hardware implementation, or both. Poor software design can kill a systems performance.

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 10:11 AM

You are being kind.


Yes. My first thought about that post was: A 24 will simply blow that POS 22-100 away.... :lol:

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 10:14 AM

Thanks, am I safe in assuming that a HR34 is also faster than a HR22?


If you have a slow 22, any properly working 20-700, 24, 34 will be faster.

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 12:53 PM

All 4 of my HR24-500s are Fast so maybe something is wrong in the way you have yours setup.

I run a Customized Guide which helps speed up the Guide a bit.


All 3 of my HR24-500s are Slow so maybe something is wrong in the way you have yours setup.

Not really - just sayin!

It is just as wrong for you to assume that all HR24s are fast as it is for others to assume that all HR24s are slow.

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 12:55 PM

If you have a slow 22, any properly working 20-700, 24, 34 will be faster.

Rich


Even a dead fish is faster!:D

I can see it now... DirecTV's new marketing - 'Our DVRs are faster than dead fish'.

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 02:15 PM

If you have a slow 22, any properly working 20-700, 24, 34 will be faster.

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My slow 20-700 was the primary reason I switched to FiOS 14 months ago. And I did try all the tricks mentioned on this board as of a year ago to fix the problem. None worked for more than a couple days.

The secondary reason for switching was to save a few bucks.

A third minor reason was to get CNN International and BBC World News.

A fourth reason was to get all the music channels FiOS offers in one tier rather than spread out over several tiers.

A fifth reason became apparent when I saw the breadth of VOD offerings from FiOS compared with DirecTV.
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Posted 02 December 2012 - 05:17 PM

But you have to ask yourself, why are the DISH DVRs so much faster. They also have a lot of functionality. I suspect it is either with the software design, or hardware implementation, or both. Poor software design can kill a systems performance.


Like I said, I don't think its hard drive related. There are other things that I think affect the speed far more.

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 05:27 PM

All 3 of my HR24-500s are Slow so maybe something is wrong in the way you have yours setup.

Not really - just sayin!

It is just as wrong for you to assume that all HR24s are fast as it is for others to assume that all HR24s are slow.


When was the last time you flushed all our guides? Ad have you tried seeing what happens if you disconnect the Internet from your system as well? It's really just not normal to have slow hr24s.

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 05:28 PM

Like I said, I don't think its hard drive related. There are other things that I think affect the speed far more.


I agree

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 11:38 AM

Like I said, I don't think its hard drive related. There are other things that I think affect the speed far more.


These "slowness" threads are enough to drive anyone crazy. Short drive for me.... :lol:

But seriously, what we've got to look at is exactly what is "slow" about the DVRs. I've only got 20-700s and 24s, and they aren't what I'd call slow when it comes to the most important functions of a DVR. Once you get to a program, is there any real slowness? I don't think so. I'm not talking about the 21 series, which seems to be inherently slow in many respects.

What everyone seems to be talking about is the process of getting to a program. That's not an HDD problem, I think. I've taken 2TB HDDs on/in 21-700s and put them on/in 24s and never seen any of the slowness of the 21-700s (which, I think, were the best of the 21 series).

What I'm trying to say is, making a blanket statement that 24s are slow is wrong. Without the HD GUI (you really gotta be careful what you wish for) I don't think we'd see these reoccurring threads.

The question we should be asking is when will the HD GUI be upgraded? Or fixed, or whatever you want to call it.

We can blame the HDDs for anything, but let's get it right. If an HDD is gonna slow up one HR and you put it on another HR, the same thing should happen, right? It simply doesn't. I truly doubt the HDDs are the culprits here.

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 11:51 AM

My take between the HD receivers and the HDDVR receivers is that there is a lot more going on in the DVR than in the HD receiver.
There are a lot more graphics in the DVR to manipulate and load into memory.
The HD has one tuner and the DVR has 2.
It appears to me that the DVR is always buffering 2 tuners.
It also looks like the DVR starts buffering before anyting is put to the TV screen.

I am waiting and wanting to see this latest 0x062c software does as several have reported that it is much faster at changing channels.

DirecTV customer since 1996 - Current :Slimline 3 SWM, HR24-100 Component cables to 46" Samsung LCD & Optical Cable to Yamaha AVR, H21-200 HDMI to Yamaha AVR & HDMI to 52" Mitsubishi LCD


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Posted 03 December 2012 - 12:17 PM

My take between the HD receivers and the HDDVR receivers is that there is a lot more going on in the DVR than in the HD receiver.
There are a lot more graphics in the DVR to manipulate and load into memory.
The HD has one tuner and the DVR has 2.
It appears to me that the DVR is always buffering 2 tuners.
It also looks like the DVR starts buffering before anyting is put to the TV screen.

I am waiting and wanting to see this latest 0x062c software does as several have reported that it is much faster at changing channels.


I've never had a plain receiver, but your logic is sound from what I've read. I doubt that the HRs are always buffering 2 tuners, you have to turn that feature on. They do constantly buffer one tuner tho, unless you are recording two programs at once.

Regarding channel changes, I've never been big on surfing and there are several workarounds for that, which I believe you've pointed out.

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