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#426 OFFLINE   Mike Greer

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Posted 19 December 2012 - 03:01 PM

Uh...sure...Ok.

Since multiple HD DVRs here and HD receivers simply don't have any significant impact or issues as you described for the end user experience in this household...and only a fraction of time is spent "directing" our HDTVs for scheduling and programming guide use...it's unfortunate your older device seem to have a problem.

That's not the case with HR24's or newer, which you referenced as well. As others have repeatedly point out...running jet fuel in an older car doesn't usually make it run faster. The same holds true for firmware.


Using that logic makes your HR24 start locking up around 10 days after a reboot just like mine does!:lol:

You can't have it both ways!

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Posted 19 December 2012 - 03:09 PM

Using that logic makes your HR24 start locking up around 10 days after a reboot just like mine does!:lol:

You can't have it both ways!


All I know Mike is that I got rid of all of my HR2X Older DVRs and Replaced them with HR24s and now I am a Happy Camper except for the 2 HR23-700 DVRs that are a tad slow to respond but I just use them as Backup DVRs for Archiving Purposes so it doesn't bother me.

However, I am sure glad I went to the HR24s and I recommended Rich to do the same and now he is also a Happy Camper like me. :hurah:
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#428 OFFLINE   hdtvfan0001

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Posted 19 December 2012 - 03:44 PM

And you don't debate what we see with our eyes? You're essentially saying there is no problem and that those of us with doggy DVRs are wrong.

If you can do it, then why can't we? :D

You certainly can. That said...without knowing how your entire hardware, DECA network, and HD DVR configuration setup is arranged, as well as firmware versions on each unit...comparisons are not apples to apples for anyone.

The HR34 certainly isn't winning any sprint medals at the DVR Olympics, either.

It's quite perky here right now. Using it most of the day.

Those familiar with only one product line aren't much qualified to make comparative judgments.

Then again, having a Dish customer make any comparisons on anything DirecTV-oriented is meaningless. That's not Harsh....it's a fact.
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Posted 19 December 2012 - 03:45 PM

Those familiar with only one product line aren't much qualified to make comparative judgements.

But they can make observations about what they're using, which doesn't seem to be your case here.

Are there "faster" DVRs out there? :shrug:
I question someone saying theirs tunes in < 500 ms, but that's because my own TV can't do that from an OTA antenna.
I haven't channel surfed since cable added a guide some 20 years ago. I surf the guide.
I've seen the dish video scrolling through their guide and would be hard pressed to see a difference from my own HMC/Genie speed. Maybe a high speed camera could show a difference but if it's faster than I can read, what's the point of being faster?

Do I wait a moment for my guide to come up?
Sure, but it's truly only a moment, and so short it's hard to quantify. I doubt I'd get past "one" of a count.

Does the DVR take longer to tune to a channel than my TV?
Yep, by about 1 sec. It's slower when it changes resolutions, but this is an option I select, and I can turn it off if it was a problem.
With U-Verse I didn't have the option, and since I watch three or four resolutions, I'd rather have the option than not.
So I guess I do have more experience than with "one product". ;)
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Posted 19 December 2012 - 04:42 PM

I haven't channel surfed since cable added a guide some 20 years ago. I surf the guide.


I Surf The Guide Also so why do people find the need to Channel Surf when you can just Select the Guide and scroll down the Guide until you find something on a Channe that you want to watch!!! :confused:
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Posted 19 December 2012 - 05:23 PM

I Surf The Guide Also so why do people find the need to Channel Surf when you can just Select the Guide and scroll down the Guide until you find something on a Channe that you want to watch!!! :confused:


Yeah. Channel surfing was necessary when we had a handful of channels and no on screen guide and out of date printed guides. But no more, thanks be to any deity of your choice.

The DIRECTV app for iPad is the king of guides for guide surfing in my household.
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Posted 19 December 2012 - 06:57 PM

Thanks for that description. This is precisely why my wife refuses to touch the remote anymore.


+1. It's a constant battle to keep DTV,

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Posted 19 December 2012 - 07:39 PM

I Surf The Guide Also so why do people find the need to Channel Surf when you can just Select the Guide and scroll down the Guide until you find something on a Channe that you want to watch!!! :confused:


And some people, like me, don't channel or guide surf :)

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Posted 19 December 2012 - 09:42 PM

And some people, like me, don't channel or guide surf :)


Do you, what, guess a ch. number and enter it on inspiration or faith? :D

You surely must peruse some sort of guide from time to time....!
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Posted 19 December 2012 - 09:56 PM

All I know Mike is that I got rid of all of my HR2X Older DVRs and Replaced them with HR24s and now I am a Happy Camper except for the 2 HR23-700 DVRs that are a tad slow to respond but I just use them as Backup DVRs for Archiving Purposes so it doesn't bother me.

However, I am sure glad I went to the HR24s and I recommended Rich to do the same and now he is also a Happy Camper like me. :hurah:


I’m much happier with the HR24s but they still need some work. They were faster and more responsive before the HDGUI.

I was just trying to say the hdtvfan0001 shouldn’t assume that everyone is having the same experience as he is… Just as I should not assume that everyone with HR24s is having my experience.

It’s pretty obvious from the bazillion posts here on DBSTALK that not everyone is having the same experience.

Just in my house I am having 3 different experiences with 3 different HR24-500s! They all have the same firmware and configuration but are not ‘the same’…..

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Posted 19 December 2012 - 10:13 PM

Just in my house I am having 3 different experiences with 3 different HR24-500s! They all have the same firmware and configuration but are not ‘the same’…..

Clearly it must be "user error" !rolling
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Posted 19 December 2012 - 10:31 PM

Clearly it must be "user error" !rolling


Clearly! But as far as I know I only have two distinct personalities - not 3!

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Posted 19 December 2012 - 11:26 PM

Clearly! But as far as I know I only have two distinct personalities - not 3!

So you're not using the only one that is working correctly. :lol:
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Posted 20 December 2012 - 07:36 AM

I was just trying to say the hdtvfan0001 shouldn’t assume that everyone is having the same experience as he is… Just as I should not assume that everyone with HR24s is having my experience.

Never assumed it...but plenty of evidence that most folks see fast UI interactions with HR24 and newer units, which would be expected.
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Posted 20 December 2012 - 08:03 AM

So you're not using the only one that is working correctly. :lol:


Yep - oddly I use all three at different times! I didn't buy into receivers I don't use! I guess I could order up 3 or 4 extra and use all of them for a month then send back slowest, most problematic ones... But then I expect DirecTV to do their own quality control!

You'd think an HR24-500 was HR24-500. Maybe they made some hardware changes along the line? Who knows - but they are not all the same.

Funny thing is the only one that Caller ID works reliably on is the one I have the most trouble with....

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 08:04 AM

Never assumed it...but plenty of evidence that most folks see fast UI interactions with HR24 and newer units, which would be expected.


Also plenty of 'evidence' that there a quite a number of people with the same old recurring troubles.....:)

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 08:15 AM

Also plenty of 'evidence' that there a quite a number of people with the same old recurring troubles.....:)

I suspected you might have hit your head accidently when you fainted from my agreement earlier.... :lol:
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Posted 20 December 2012 - 08:58 AM

I suspected you might have hit your head accidently when you fainted from my agreement earlier.... :lol:


I’m actually still in shock. Just more evidence that the world will indeed come to an end tomorrow!

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 09:09 AM

I’m actually still in shock. Just more evidence that the world will indeed come to an end tomorrow!


Tomorrow might just be The Biggest Non Event since Y2K!!!

It can't happen because we are going to Las Vegas in January for CES 2013 and we already have our Airline Tickets booked!!! :lol:
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Posted 20 December 2012 - 10:07 AM

I’m much happier with the HR24s but they still need some work. They were faster and more responsive before the HDGUI.

I was just trying to say the hdtvfan0001 shouldn’t assume that everyone is having the same experience as he is… Just as I should not assume that everyone with HR24s is having my experience.

It’s pretty obvious from the bazillion posts here on DBSTALK that not everyone is having the same experience.

Just in my house I am having 3 different experiences with 3 different HR24-500s! They all have the same firmware and configuration but are not ‘the same’…..


I've got six 500s and one of them does seem a bit wacky at times. Not enough for me to return it, but it does bring the subject of quality control into the conversation. The lack of quality control, I mean. I realize that absolute identical performance in any device when compared to another is unreasonable to expect, but out of the 10 or 11 HR24-500s I've had...well, I've got six that work well out of those 10 or 11 and that's not an indication of a good quality control system.

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 10:13 AM

Tomorrow might just be The Biggest Non Event since Y2K!!!

It can't happen because we are going to Las Vegas in January for CES 2013 and we already have our Airline Tickets booked!!! :lol:


Good point!

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 10:14 AM

I’m actually still in shock. Just more evidence that the world will indeed come to an end tomorrow!

Well at least you were more responsive... :D
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Posted 20 December 2012 - 10:15 AM

I've got six 500s and one of them does seem a bit wacky at times. Not enough for me to return it, but it does bring the subject of quality control into the conversation. The lack of quality control, I mean. I realize that absolute identical performance in any device when compared to another is unreasonable to expect, but out of the 10 or 11 HR24-500s I've had...well, I've got six that work well out of those 10 or 11 and that's not an indication of a good quality control system.

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Wow Rich! - 6 out of 10 or 11 is not a good thing! Quality control - or lack thereof - may be a big part of the problem.

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 10:42 AM

Wow Rich! - 6 out of 10 or 11 is not a good thing! Quality control - or lack thereof - may be a big part of the problem.


Companies such as glass factories that make beer bottles would go out of business quickly with a breakage rate like that.

But those types of companies have stringent QC protocols to keep that from happening.

In order for D* to do that, they'd have to have QC people in the factories where the DVRs are made. Don't think that's gonna happen. Really have to wonder if they even have any oversight of the manufacturers.

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 10:49 AM

Wow Rich! - 6 out of 10 or 11 is not a good thing! Quality control - or lack thereof - may be a big part of the problem.

Not to divert the conversation (much)...but those are all HR24-500's.

I suspect it's not so much Quality Control as it is the anomalies of a unique model device. The HR24-500 was the first HD DVR with a one-off manufacturer processor inside. Based on the bumpy road for firmware stability on the -500 devices in its early days (especially compared to all those many other models with Broadcom chips inside), I can't say I'm all that surprised.

The HR24-500 isn't a bad unit at all...many have enjoyed them to date...but it has displayed unique "hiccups" at times which were not found with its Broadcom chip brethren.

All that said...it is fair and reasonable to expect all HD DVRs to basically function properly and demonstrate reasonable performance. What is considered "properly" and "reasonable" are subjective terms that are at the root of most debate on that topic.
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