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What does DirecTV charge bars & restaurants?


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#21 OFFLINE   djzack67

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 12:36 AM

Sure they didnt just have SD receivers hooked up to their HD screens?


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Posted 28 November 2012 - 07:46 AM

I did not see any thing about sports PPV pricing. How are events like UFC fights charged? (EVO, number of receivers/screens?)

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 08:28 AM

How big is your club?


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#24 OFFLINE   Justin23

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 11:51 AM

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What is the Fire Code Occupancy? This is a private club...membership only? The general public can't walk in?

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 11:53 AM

I did not see any thing about sports PPV pricing. How are events like UFC fights charged? (EVO, number of receivers/screens?)


Sports PPV pricing is for the most part is based on FCO (Fire Code Occupancy). I believe some of the lower interest sports PPV's (TNA Wrestling, etc) uses EVO.

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 12:12 PM

What is the Fire Code Occupancy? This is a private club...membership only? The general public can't walk in?


Yes its private. I know the Bar is the Largest in PA ! it is 4 sided and is 75x30 Dam we can sit alot of guys around it. Its strictly a Mens club no woman allowed. Wives love it we cant get into trouble LOL Not sure the OC. the First floor of our club is around 30,000 sqft and alot of Doors. From the outside we look like a Huge Warehouse with no windows !

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 01:47 PM

Yes its private. I know the Bar is the Largest in PA ! it is 4 sided and is 75x30 Dam we can sit alot of guys around it. Its strictly a Mens club no woman allowed. Wives love it we cant get into trouble LOL Not sure the OC. the First floor of our club is around 30,000 sqft and alot of Doors. From the outside we look like a Huge Warehouse with no windows !


Your club falls into a grey area where even though food & beverages are served for consumption on premise...because it is a membership-only or private club and the general public can't walk in & view the TV's, D* classifies this location as what is called "Business Viewing".

NFLST pricing for Business Viewing isn't based on FCO, it is a flat-rate no matter how many people can fit inside your club. The base packages for Business Viewing are a little less expensive than the Bar & Restaurant options.

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 02:15 PM

I think the "private club" scenario isn't going to mean you can save on costs when showing sports...

If this were the case, I think we would have an awful lot of "football clubs" popping up everywhere. With a $0.25 a year membership fee. :D

Also, I know from a friend who owns a dive bar (NOT a sports bar) with 2 televisions and a "regular" TV package that commercial accounts do not include the music channels (can't play music in public, bars have to pay for playing music) nor HBO/Premium movie type channels (can't show movies in public either), otherwise you'd have "movie nights" in every bar with a DVR and a projector. :D
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Posted 28 November 2012 - 02:50 PM

I think the "private club" scenario isn't going to mean you can save on costs when showing sports...

If this were the case, I think we would have an awful lot of "football clubs" popping up everywhere. With a $0.25 a year membership fee. :D

Also, I know from a friend who owns a dive bar (NOT a sports bar) with 2 televisions and a "regular" TV package that commercial accounts do not include the music channels (can't play music in public, bars have to pay for playing music) nor HBO/Premium movie type channels (can't show movies in public either), otherwise you'd have "movie nights" in every bar with a DVR and a projector. :D


Like i said above, D* doesn't consider private membership-only clubs to be Bar & Restaurants. They are classified as a different account type.

Sonic-Tap music is not included because all commercial TV packages no matter which provider have to have commercial music as a separate charge. Sonic-Tap for D* is $34.99/mo and still a great deal when you look at other commercial music services.

Premium movie channels can never be shown for commercial D* customers (other than Private Viewing) for licensing reasons. D* is one of the few providers that allows movie channels for the Private Viewing use. Some providers don't offer it at all for their commercial TV customers.

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 03:54 PM

I used to set up PPV C-band for Holyfield, Bowe, and later, Tyson fights. I did the fight where the guy parachuted into the ring. The bar had to pay about $3,000 per fight in the early 1990s for a place with a fire capacity of around 250... but they made lots of money doing so.

But remember, there were fewer alternatives then. I used to come out and test the downlink on Wednesday and Friday before the Saturday fights. They used to turn the satellite transponder on during those test intervals. The owner got really pissed at me for adding ten bucks to his bills for each test. Then, his chief competitor... I forget if it was Champions of Challengers... had a fiasco. They hardly ever used their C-band system and hadn't updated their actuator positioner coordinates and when they called for the satellite, the dish pointed to the wrong slot and they got nothing.

Back then, PPV was a big deal. The hotel associated with that competing sportsbar was actually selling packages where they'd pick guests up at their home... often 30 miles away ... serve them a nice dinner, show them a fight, and then they' retire to their hotel room. You can't imagine how pissed people who had paid several hundred dollars for that red carpet treatment were. or maybe you can. I know that hotel got sued, but I don't know whatever became of that suit.

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 05:56 PM

Like i said above, D* doesn't consider private membership-only clubs to be Bar & Restaurants. They are classified as a different account type.

Sonic-Tap music is not included because all commercial TV packages no matter which provider have to have commercial music as a separate charge. Sonic-Tap for D* is $34.99/mo and still a great deal when you look at other commercial music services.

Premium movie channels can never be shown for commercial D* customers (other than Private Viewing) for licensing reasons. D* is one of the few providers that allows movie channels for the Private Viewing use. Some providers don't offer it at all for their commercial TV customers.


dish and other cable systems offer Premium movie channels for hotel use.
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Posted 28 November 2012 - 09:08 PM

dish and other cable systems offer Premium movie channels for hotel use.


Hotels are commercial but a completely different account type. They pay per room that will receive TV service.

The "commercial" services I was referring to are bars, restaurants, retail stores, lobbies, waiting areas, employee break rooms, etc.

Hotels show these premium movie channels in the "private" rooms. They still can't show them in public areas (lobbies, hotel bar, etc.)

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 04:43 PM

Hotels are commercial but a completely different account type. They pay per room that will receive TV service.

The "commercial" services I was referring to are bars, restaurants, retail stores, lobbies, waiting areas, employee break rooms, etc.

Hotels show these premium movie channels in the "private" rooms. They still can't show them in public areas (lobbies, hotel bar, etc.)


really I have been in Hotels with analog cable + digital HBO feed muxed to the analog lineup. And tv's in the public areas where on the same analog feed.

sadly HD tv's hooked to analog cable then the cable system had HD channels.

And the hotel locked out / did not have full remotes so you where not able to tune to / scan the clear QAM HD OTA channels.
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Posted 29 November 2012 - 05:05 PM

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 07:08 PM

In the early 1980s, on "fight nights" I used to go to a place in Northampton, Massachusetts where the owner of the business had an apartment above it with cable TV, and he'd let people he knew into the back room and he'd drop a coax down and we'd watch the HBO fights. He also has a real slot machine in his apartment and the bartenders would give the apartment keys to regulars.

Lodgenet would often put their HBOs a few channels above their highest numbered basic channel so they could use the same trunkline for the public viewing area, but with a lowpass filter on it to scrape off the premium channels.

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 07:55 PM

Lodgenet would often put their HBOs a few channels above their highest numbered basic channel so they could use the same trunkline for the public viewing area, but with a lowpass filter on it to scrape off the premium channels.


really I read this in the past that on the older analog systems all channels where in the clear and boxes just control tuning
But the tv in the exercise room just had no box on it.

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Same thing seen hear on a clear qam? or analog based system.

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 09:03 PM

Bar/restaurant with fire code capacity of 2,001-5,000 people: $57,375 for the Sunday Ticket. :D


That would be one hell of a sports bar

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 09:05 PM

I think the real eye opener is that ESPN is almost $60 a month alone for a bar/restaurant

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 09:30 PM

I think the real eye opener is that ESPN is almost $60 a month alone for a bar/restaurant


That's why you get a package that has it included...180+ channels for $120.99 (Commercial Xtra Pack)

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 10:11 PM

The couple of bars i setup pay around $1200 for the ticket. Since we dont have firecode ratings the city had to mock up a letter to allow the ticket. Directv is a pain in the butt to get the ticket setup. If i were to guess the capacity was around 50 in one bar about 100 in the other.

One bar direct claimed as fraud when a new owner bought the bar and renamed the bar. Took about a week to get that going. Direct must be spending big bucks on fraud prevention now, i run into about 3 a month now, all of which eventually get service and none were ever fraud.
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