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#51 OFFLINE   HoTat2

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 11:48 AM

I think that answers the question I was going to ask. Could DTV put on the national feed of CBS in place of WUSA? Sounds like they cannot. I hope they settle this today or I'm not going to be happy at all. Two games tomorrow I would like to watch on WUSA. The UK/Baylor basketball game. Then the SEC championship game at 4 pm. There's going to be a lot of unhappy people if they can't watch the latter,for sure.


No, under penalty of law DIRECTV cannot bypass the local stations that way with out of market locals from DNS service for instance to the affected Gannet held DMAs.

This is the key to their leverage over the providers in these disputes which the government (as expected :rolleyes:) helps them by protecting these obsolete dinosaur local broadcast stations and not repealing this outdated law.

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 12:34 PM

I'd only care to watch NBC if SF is on SNF. That happens on 12/16. I'll watch it using the antenna. KPNX is not a channel I'll miss.


Same here with me in Ohio. I don`t need to watch anything on WKYC NBC Ch.3 Cleveland. I hardly ever watch it at all, now that I`m thinking about it.

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 01:55 PM

I went out and bought an antenna today so if anything happens I'd still have the local one they own. Got it home, plugged it in, and every channels works with no problem except 1...our Gannett owned CBS channel for which I bought the antenna for!

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 02:03 PM

I went out and bought an antenna today so if anything happens I'd still have the local one they own. Got it home, plugged it in, and every channels works with no problem except 1...our Gannett owned CBS channel for which I bought the antenna for!


Well, that s*cks. Sounds about like my luck. I'm going to wait and see if they resolve this quickly. If not, I'll be putting up an antenna for my local NBC Gannett owned station ( WBIR Knoxville). Wife's got to have the Today show.

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 02:03 PM

I went out and bought an antenna today so if anything happens I'd still have the local one they own. Got it home, plugged it in, and every channels works with no problem except 1...our Gannett owned CBS channel for which I bought the antenna for!

Tampa's CBS station is on VHF, unfortunately many antennas marketed as "HDTV" or "Digital" are UHF only despite the fact that nearly every market has at least one VHF station. If it's just the CBS station you need, try getting a pair of rabbit ears.

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 02:20 PM

Why do the Sat companies have to pay to carry channels that are free over the air? And why aren't the DBS companies entitled to charge the locals to carry their programming to more people?


The local stations contend that the cable and satellite companies make a profit from showing their content. They want part of that profit.
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Posted 30 November 2012 - 02:53 PM

I just hooked up an antenna to pick up my local NBC ( WBIR Channel 10 Knoxville ) and guess what? Directv has the Directv promise channel overriding my ota channel ( 10-1 ) and I cannot pick up programming ota. I have emailed both Directv and WBIR to see if anything can but done but I am not hopeful. I was really trying to stay neutral in this, but it may cause me to ditch Directv after 12 years. Not happy about this at all.

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 02:57 PM

In Caswell, Rockingham, Patrick and Alleghany counties they also get WDBJ also so they won't be shut out if WFMY is taken off DTV tonight.

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 02:58 PM

I just hooked up an antenna to pick up my local NBC ( WBIR Channel 10 Knoxville ) and guess what? Directv has the Directv promise channel overriding my ota channel ( 10-1 ) and I cannot pick up programming ota.


IIRC if you use the all channels option for the guide you'll see two 10-1's in it, the first is their channel, the second should be the OTA version of WBIR.

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 03:28 PM

IIRC if you use the all channels option for the guide you'll see two 10-1's in it, the first is their channel, the second should be the OTA version of WBIR.


Thank you. You are correct. And thanks for the quick reply. Now I'm off to go take a blood pressure pill. :D

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 03:40 PM

Why do the Sat companies have to pay to carry channels that are free over the air?

Probably because the cable companies found out that they weren't paying and they wanted to make sure the DBS companies got equally bent over.

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 04:01 PM

It's Dish customers that suffer while they go without following no deals or bad deals.

As I pointed out earlier, the suffering continues for Pac-12 hopefuls and those many HD channels that carriers offer that DIRECTV doesn't.

I'll stick with the far more successful provider in DirecTV. I prefer the provider that succeeds while remaining ethical.

If success is measured in churn, DIRECTV is running high (for both the DIRECTV US and DIRECTV LA segments). Same with BBB complaints (DIRECTV 3:1 .vs. DISH). Neither is an indicator happy customers nor a mark of an organization who is "remaining ethical".

As I observed earlier, you seem to be favoring the viewpoint of a stockholder as opposed to that of a subscriber and even that seems to be mostly a matter of ginormous revenues over not-so-great metrics.

It seems likely that the Gannett deal will come soon enough and it will be back to business as usual but the battles seem to be more frequent and more public as time goes on.

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 04:05 PM

It's interesting to note that in at least 2 of the affected cities...the big black annoying banners with bold yellow print "warning" people of the impending potential loss of the local station has been replaced by a softer occasional screen showing up during commercial times.

Hmmm.....
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Posted 30 November 2012 - 04:08 PM

As I pointed out earlier, the suffering continues for Pac-12 hopefuls and those many HD channels that carriers offer that DIRECTV doesn't.


Suffering, eh?! Yes, a half dozen folks whined and moaned loudly re Pac12, but so what? And many worthy HD channels DIRECTV doesn't carry!!What are they??

I'll be enjoying the rematch of UCLA and Stanford this afternoon. Name one great game I missed because I don't have the Pac12 Network.....
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Posted 30 November 2012 - 04:11 PM

It's interesting to note that in at least 2 of the affected cities...the big black annoying banners with bold yellow print "warning" people of the impending potential loss of the local station has been replaced by a softer occasional screen showing up during commercial times.

There comes a point in every campaign where everyone knows what's at stake and the banners/signs are just plain annoying. I congratulate the stations for recognizing this.

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 04:15 PM

It seems likely that the Gannett deal will come soon enough and it will be back to business as usual but the battles seem to be more frequent and more public as time goes on.


That's industry wide.

The fact remains however that DirecTV has been far more successful in actually resolving disputes and/or doing so more quickly than Dish Network has. Given that...plus having more HD channels, superior HD picture quality, and my being repulsed by the Dish penchant for patent theft/contract violation/industry poisoning technology choices...I'm happy with DirecTV.

Yes, the deal with Gannett will get done. Why? Because DirecTV happens to be good at getting things like this done. As opposed to the revolving door of FAIL that is Dish Network.

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 04:17 PM

It's interesting to note that in at least 2 of the affected cities...the big black annoying banners with bold yellow print "warning" people of the impending potential loss of the local station has been replaced by a softer occasional screen showing up during commercial times.

Hmmm.....


Both sides seem to soften their public posturing when a deal is getting closer to being completed.

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 04:18 PM

Both sides seem to soften their public posturing when a deal is getting closer to being completed.

You noticed that too huh? ;)
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Posted 30 November 2012 - 04:31 PM

Suffering, eh?! Yes, a half dozen folks whined and moaned loudly re Pac12, but so what?

This thread is, in part, about how well DIRECTV is doing with both its negotiations and clearly defined segments of its subscribers. If DIRECTV wasn't all about providing the best sports coverage bar none, it wouldn't be a big deal.

And many worthy HD channels DIRECTV doesn't carry!!What are they??

There's a thread for that: http://www.dbstalk.c...el anticipation Post #3 has a mostly complete run-down.

There are ongoing crys for the various CSNs (Philly, Houston, Northwest) that are missing. I'm pretty sure if DIRECTV subscribers were given a crack at MAV TV or Outdoor and Sportsman in HD, they'd enjoy it.

I'll be enjoying the rematch of UCLA and Stanford this afternoon. Name one great game I missed because I don't have the Pac12 Network.....

If Stanford hadn't beat Oregon, you probably would have missed the original matchup. Dodged that bullet -- this time. I'm betting that you didn't have an opportunity to watch the Oregon - UCLA volleyball match.

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 04:37 PM

If DIRECTV wasn't all about providing the best sports coverage bar none, it wouldn't be a big deal.


Which DirecTV does a much better job of than any other provider in the country. The lone exceptions to to their lineup are very limited. Dish Network is WAY behind in sports content. DirecTV IS the sports leader and no one else even comes close.

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 04:37 PM

Here's my dream scenario for locals and broadcast networks that will never, ever come to pass.

Satellite subscribers would have east and west feeds of the big four broadcast networks, much like HBO, Showtime, etc. These feeds would not be associated with any particular local affiliate. It would be the very same feeds they distribute to their affiliates. They would be dark during hours when the network is not running national programming.

Of course this would screw up local ads that appear in national programming. :D

Pacific and Mountain folks could enjoy prime time programming earlier in their local time, if they desired, by watching the east feeds. Central and Eastern folks could enjoy later opportunities to watch or record shows during the west feed.

Local affiliates would also remain in the lineup, and one could watch network programming on these channels or on the raw feeds mentioned above. This is where local news and syndicated programming would continue to be viewed.

One could add additional locals from one or more additional DMAs for a small fee, subject to them being present in the spotbeam that reaches your dish. It seems like so many cable companies provide duplicate network affiliates from adjoining DMAs; why can't satellite do this?

Of course, there would still be carriage fights, but hopefully when a particular network was fighting with a satellite provider, the affiliate carrying that same network wouldn't be fighting with the satellite provider, and vice versa. :nono:

That is my completely frivolous take on the matter. Yeah, it's all money and advertising and territorial. Bah.
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Posted 30 November 2012 - 04:44 PM

Satellite subscribers would have east and west feeds of the big four broadcast networks, much like HBO, Showtime, etc.

The NAB puts on a multi-million dollar lobbying effort that you would have to surpass. Let us know when you're getting close and maybe we'll throw in.

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 04:48 PM

One could add additional locals from one or more additional DMAs for a small fee, subject to them being present in the spotbeam that reaches your dish. It seems like so many cable companies provide duplicate network affiliates from adjoining DMAs; why can't satellite do this?

DirecTV does in some areas, parts of the Hartford market that are close to NYC can get WCBS, WNBC and WNYW and the parts that are close to Boston can get some of their stations.

Also, while cable can do it, depending on the area, some cable systems have to black out the network programming on the neighboring affiliates and the local affiliates can also invoke the syndex rules blocking duplicate syndicated shows.

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 06:22 PM

Here's my dream scenario for locals and broadcast networks that will never, ever come to pass.

Satellite subscribers would have east and west feeds of the big four broadcast networks, much like HBO, Showtime, etc. These feeds would not be associated with any particular local affiliate. It would be the very same feeds they distribute to their affiliates. They would be dark during hours when the network is not running national programming.

Of course this would screw up local ads that appear in national programming. :D

Pacific and Mountain folks could enjoy prime time programming earlier in their local time, if they desired, by watching the east feeds. Central and Eastern folks could enjoy later opportunities to watch or record shows during the west feed.

Local affiliates would also remain in the lineup, and one could watch network programming on these channels or on the raw feeds mentioned above. This is where local news and syndicated programming would continue to be viewed.

One could add additional locals from one or more additional DMAs for a small fee, subject to them being present in the spotbeam that reaches your dish. It seems like so many cable companies provide duplicate network affiliates from adjoining DMAs; why can't satellite do this?

Of course, there would still be carriage fights, but hopefully when a particular network was fighting with a satellite provider, the affiliate carrying that same network wouldn't be fighting with the satellite provider, and vice versa. :nono:

That is my completely frivolous take on the matter. Yeah, it's all money and advertising and territorial. Bah.


This ability was available with the large satellite dishes, before the advent of DirecTV and DISH. Matter of fact ABC, NBC, CBS and PBS offered pure wild feeds; originally free, eventually one had to pay for them.

Of course, Congress, with heavy lobbying by NAB, created the restrictions we see today.

One note, in Canada not only one can get any major Canadian station on satellite, you can also get the US major networks. I guess CTRC and Parliament are not as bought off as the FCC and Congress.

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 06:34 PM

One note, in Canada not only one can get any major Canadian station on satellite, you can also get the US major networks. I guess CTRC and Parliament are not as bought off as the FCC and Congress.

While they do carry the US networks in Canada, during prime time most of them are replaced with a simulcast of the Canadian network whenever the same program is on, so if you were to watch Grey's Anatomy on ABC, you would see CTV's broadcast.




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