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#21 OFFLINE   Laxguy

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 05:45 PM

Baloney, inflation on anything but food and fuel has been dang near flat for the last ten years and negative for electronics and such.


Yes, hardware has experienced deflation for the most part.

But have you been to a movie theatre recently? A sporting event? A concert? These are much more relevant to entertainment pricing by content providers and carriers.
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Posted 30 November 2012 - 06:01 PM

Around 1980, movies on VHS were usually priced around $80-100 as well. I remember when some of the major studios tried releasing $40 movies as an experiment. $80 is $214 in today's inflated dollars. I'm glad the cheaper movie experiment worked out. ;)

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 07:56 PM

Yes, hardware has experienced deflation for the most part.

But have you been to a movie theatre recently? A sporting event? A concert? These are much more relevant to entertainment pricing by content providers and carriers.


Yea they are relevant and the same thing is happening in those markets. The whole point is high inflation in entertainment is not sustainable without hurting long term prospects and this is happening in the businesses you just pointed out.

Many if not most sporting events are in a stage of deflation now.

A lot of bands having problems filling seats that were easy to fill ten years ago.

Yes movie ticket prices are way up, guess what the number of people going to movies over the last ten years is down. The studios are slowly pricing their audiences away.

If something is not sustainable it will not be sustained. What has happen in the entertainment industries is the last 20 years is not sustainable.

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 05:30 AM

These price increases are not sustainable and the programmers had better figure that out quickly before cord cutting turns from a trickle in to a flood. Pricing half your customers out of the market is just stupid.


Value is a subjective, but AT120 is everyday priced at $44.95. Was it really $22.50 in 2000? I pay more for a single tank of gas than that.

I doubt half of America cannot afford $45/month.

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 07:51 AM

I don't remember exactly, back in 2000, the lowest package was around $22.50, but it did not have 120 channels in it.

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 10:13 AM

AMC and Dish's squabble affected the consumer. AMC didn't re-air any shows that was shown during that time. This shows that AMC has no concern for their viewers, just the bottom line. As I said, poor customer satisfaction.

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 10:29 AM

Not only is that not true, AMC in addition to re airing had some episodes available free during that time.

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 10:36 AM

Well, FWIW, we got DirectTV for the first time in 1995, when we moved from Houston to Michigan, in order to be able to watch the Houston Rockets (on the NBA League Pass.) We paid $1500 for the install and equipment. No DVR. The monthly bill was less (by a LOT) than it was today, but there were also quite a few less channels (a lot less channels with original programming, that is.)

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 12:34 PM

Value is a subjective, but AT120 is everyday priced at $44.95. Was it really $22.50 in 2000?

Here is the list of price and package name changes I have for the package that is now AT120.
In 2000 the "lowest package" was AT40 ... without locals.

America's Top 120 Package Channels - $44.99 w/locals
(Feb 2011: $44.99 w/locals - Price Guaranteed until 2013)
(June 2010: 100% Local Market Coverage - not sold without locals)
(Feb 2010: "America's Top 120")
(Feb 2009: $34.99 or $39.99 w/locals - "Classic Bronze 100")
(Feb 2008: $32.99 or $37.99 w/locals)
(Feb 2006: $29.99 or $34.99 w/locals - "AT100" Feb 2007)
(Feb 2005: $26.99 or $31.99 w/locals)
(Feb 2003: $24.99 or $29.99 w/locals - "AT60" Feb 2004)
(Feb 2002: $22.99 or $28.98 (+5.99) w/locals)
(Feb 2001: $21.99 - "AT50")
(Feb 1996: $19.95 - "AT40" Initial Offering)

Over the years the "lowest package" has had enough channels added that it really cannot be compared to the price a decade ago.

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 01:14 PM

Value is a subjective, but AT120 is everyday priced at $44.95. Was it really $22.50 in 2000? I pay more for a single tank of gas than that.

I doubt half of America cannot afford $45/month.



40% living paycheck to paycheck.

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 01:19 PM

40% living paycheck to paycheck.

http://www.huffingto..._n_1818280.html

And yet so much of that "paycheck" goes for stuff people WANT and don't really NEED.

Television is not a basic requirement of life. Satellite/Cable is not a basic requirement of life. These are extras.

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 02:17 PM

40% living paycheck to paycheck.

http://www.huffingto..._n_1818280.html


People at all income levels are living paycheck to paycheck. In states with expensive housing, like California and New York, it is quite common to see families making $300,000 or substantially more to be living paycheck to paycheck.

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 07:37 AM

Not only is that not true, AMC in addition to re airing had some episodes available free during that time.


AMC only offered The Walking Dead first episode streaming to us. No other shows have been reaired.

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 08:53 AM

I don't remember exactly, back in 2000, the lowest package was around $22.50, but it did not have 120 channels in it.

That's about what I pay for Dish now. Minimal service plus 722 receiver.

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 11:02 AM

That's about what I pay for Dish now. Minimal service plus 722 receiver.


A lot has changed over the years, locals were not included in the pack years ago and the popular channels in these pack would have only been available (if they were even available back then) were in the higher priced packs as well. And there were not many dvr receivers, especially with the amount of recording time on their hard drive either. I don't believe you are getting many HD channels channels unless you are new to Dish and are currently paying the first year promo price.

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 08:07 AM

I don't believe you are getting many HD channels channels unless you are new to Dish and are currently paying the first year promo price.

I am an old Dish customer (very old :hurah:). I am EA, locals are HD - I don't think there is a choice. No contract or special deal.




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