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#26 OFFLINE   Rickt1962

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 03:37 PM

I was surprised to find out that Mits was still making rear projection DLPs. I could have told them the single most valuable thing in a living room is floor space.


LOL Well I dont live in a closet LOL my room is 18x25 and the TV is only 10 inches or so deep ! Whoo Yee LOL Sits on my Mantel which is 2 feet deep. Im sure alot wont complain about 10 inches:lol:

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 03:39 PM

I would bet that nearly have the people that stick a TV on the wall have a lowboy or cabinet underneath it anyway.

And those that don't, do you really think they're using that 18" - 24" in front of the TV for anything?

My living room set happens to be in a 24" deep niche and the other two are on TV stands to hold the rest of the equipment.

Even if I felt like hanging something on the wall, I wouldn't gain any floor space.


MY thoughts exactly LOL people are silly Yea its wall mounted but my AV equipment under it sticks out ! LOL Hmmm I guess if they mount it in ther hall way so they dont trip over it ! LOL

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 03:45 PM

MY thoughts exactly LOL people are silly Yea its wall mounted but my AV equipment under it sticks out ! LOL Hmmm I guess if they mount it in ther hall way so they dont trip over it ! LOL


Yep, I see so many setups like this:
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Not only is the TV to high on the wall, but it's further back than it needs to be thereby reducing the immersive experience you could get. Hey, but it's on the wall like the magazines.

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 05:30 PM

My DLP's are only 16" deep. What exactly do you do with that 1' directly in front of the TV?

And wouldn't freeing up floor space mean you could move your seating closer? How does it enable you to move it further away.

And, as has been mentioned, many that get a big screen TV have A/V receivers, DVR's, Blu Ray players, etc. that they need to put under it anyway.


by the viture of the LED/LCD being thinner then the DLP, you can that space from the front of the set

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 05:31 PM

by the viture of the LED/LCD being thinner then the DLP, you can that space from the front of the set


Yep thats what i want to set closer to the wall to watch LOL :eek2:

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 05:56 PM

I replaced a 2008 61" Samsung LED DLP with a 2012 65" Panasonic GT50. The DLP was the best of its kind in 2008. I replaced it with the Panny plasma because I wanted something better. Mine is on the wall with the center of the screen at eye level when seated. I did this because is still out of reach of my youngest child that way and it simply looks better aesthetically. It is a much "neater" or "cleaner" look in my home, the way I have done it.
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Posted 08 December 2012 - 06:53 PM

Not exactly. I have 3 DLP's and have only had to replace the bulb on one of them (they're all between 3-6 years old). The one I replaced was about 2 months ago and it cost $99.

Expensive, short life bulbs are a myth used by proponents of other technologies, much like Plasma burn-in still is.


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Posted 08 December 2012 - 07:27 PM

flat screen on the wall makes big diff in smaller rooms.. mines only 12x16 so I'm only 10' away.. lcd made room look a ton bigger..


and all my equiment is in the bottom of a custom made curio cabnet in corner

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 07:28 PM

Too many people fell in love with sticking a TV on the wall.

Yes quite sad........ They do not know what GOOD IS anymore :(

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 07:33 PM

bolted to the wall helps with pets.. my cat knocked over whole entertainment center once.. was all laying in the middle of the room face down :lol:

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 07:59 PM

As long as they will continue to support my 73" DLP for at least another 10 years, I'll be happy! This is the first time I have ever had a TV fit so nicely in a room.

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 08:07 PM

Yes quite sad........ They do not know what GOOD IS anymore :(


That depends. There are no DLP's that can beat or meet the best flat panel displays on the market today, aside from price.
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Posted 08 December 2012 - 08:18 PM

flat screen on the wall makes big diff in smaller rooms.. mines only 12x16 so I'm only 10' away.. lcd made room look a ton bigger..


and all my equiment is in the bottom of a custom made curio cabnet in corner


There's certainly probably situations when a flat panel on the wall makes sense, but I would wager it doesn't make sense in most situations.

And regarding room size, how big is your display? Assuming a 60" display, you should only be 8' away to get the full benefit of 1080p anyway, so even in a small room the depth of DLP is rarely an issue. Most people sit too far away anyway and would benefit from having the display another 18" - 24" closer to their seating.

I'm sure Directv can't wait to get their hands on your unit.

 
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Posted 08 December 2012 - 08:24 PM

Yes quite sad........ They do not know what GOOD IS anymore :(

Outside of the false insinuation that only Mitsubishi DLP TVs are good, practicality and good human engineering trump performance every day of the week.

I still like and listen mostly to vinyl.

CDs are easier to use, can be played in many places and are more durable, but to my ear, don't sound as good as a phonograph record. Most people gave up LPs for CDs decades ago.

MP3s are even more flexible than a CD and it's as easy as a download to own a bunch of great songs. With thousands of songs on your phone, you can take your music anywhere. But MP3s became this convenient only by throwing away 80-95% of the information that's on a CD.

In terms of convenience and what people like, MP3s are better than CDs which are better than phonograph records.

In terms of sound quality, phonograph records are better than CDs which are better than MP3s.

It's the way of the world. I bet in 1455, people complained to Gutenberg that his Bible didn't look as fine as a hand-written manuscript.

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 12:05 AM

My DLP's are only 16" deep. What exactly do you do with that 1' directly in front of the TV?

And wouldn't freeing up floor space mean you could move your seating closer? How does it enable you to move it further away.

And, as has been mentioned, many that get a big screen TV have A/V receivers, DVR's, Blu Ray players, etc. that they need to put under it anyway.


My old TV is a 55" RPTV. It is just over 2 feet from the wall to the front of the TV. While I do have a TV stand under my TV that is now wall mounted, it is not taking up space off to the side. Also, I mounted my TV at eye level and my viewing distance is now an appropriate 8 feet instead of the 6 feet it was.

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 05:48 AM

In terms of sound quality, phonograph records are better than CDs which are better than MP3s.


I'll never be able to agree with that. Every last one of the hundreds of LPs I've had exhibit the same thing - I can hear the 'hiss' from the needle in the groove. Now, with older CDs, I heard the 'hiss' of the original master tapes because they were in analog. Never mind the fact that, no matter how carefully you handle an album, you will always eventually get popping anc clicking from dirt and other imperfections. You need perfect storage conditions or the LPs will warp - and even a slight warp ruins a song.

When I buy a CD today, the first thing I do is rip it to my hard drive. I keep the bit rate as high as it will go. But I find it amusing that people still argue over sound quality when their ears can't hear many of the aspects of it. Heck, teenagers found a ringtone for phones that almost everyone over 40 CAN'T HEAR. Mine tried it out on me once and I could *barely* hear a clicking noise and my hearing is still pretty damn good. CDs sample up to 40khz, if I remember correctly and we can hear only into the 20s.

Yeah, if you're talking about an MP3 with a 128kbps bitrate, you CAN hear the difference. No argument there. And yeah, you're losing information. But I listen to music in the car, on the street, in a room that is NOT a recording studio, etc. In most of those places, a 320kbps MP3 will be indescernible from any other recording.

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 05:55 AM

I have 55" Mitsubishi RPT I bought in February 2004. It is our main TV. Other than an occasional convergence, I haven't touched the thing. Just the other day I said to the Mrs. about what a nice picture it still is. Different from my two smaller flat screens, but still pleasing to my eye. Goods seem to last for us though. We have a Whirlpool W&D and a Toro lawn mower we still use, all purchased in 1991. Not sure if I had to replace the TV if I would have bought another RPT.

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 06:11 AM

But I find it amusing that people still argue over sound quality when their ears can't hear many of the aspects of it.

Come over to my house. You'd hear the superiority of analog immediately. It isn't even subtle. As a friend, hardly an audiophile, said after a listening session, "This sounds too good to have died." Euphonic is the right word for the sound the best analog can achieve. It's agreeable, pleasing and sweet.

And if we played a MP3 file on my analog system? You'd echo Don McLean in American Pie. "The day the music died."

As for vinyl rumble, which you call hiss*, it is audible on soft passages but I do not find it annoying except in the worst instances. You do have to get past the first 30 seconds of vinyl on some records. The record pressing process itself can make the lead in grooves and the first few seconds of music the worst in terms of vinyl noise.

EDIT: *The hiss of a master tape is audible on some records but a lot of good vinyl is being mastered off of 30ips analog tapes, which have almost no hiss, or off of 24 bit/96K digital, which sounds excellent. I have no problem with hi-res digital. I record using it and can't hear any degradation. Older records, where they music may be from a 1/4" tape going at 7 1/2 ips, yes, you can hear tape hiss, but it is at a low level that is quickly masked by the music. There are worse things than hiss. It's like complaining about the weaving in the canvas of a painting or the sediment at the bottom of the glass from a great bottle of wine. I'll take the warmth of vinyl, the stereo image of an lp, the depth, air and three dimensionality of a great analog recording and put up with a few pops, ticks, rumble and hiss any day.

Neil Young said it best maybe 25 years ago. Analog, he said, is like soothing water rushing over you. Digital is like ice cubes falling on your head.

EDIT EDIT - BACK ON TOPIC: If you re-read my post, djlong, you will see I was arguing for the marketing and human engineering superiority of MP3s over either CDs or vinyl, and that how Mitsubishi was foolish pushing their belief that rear projection DLP was superior. In the quiet of my living room I can appreciate vinyl but in the real world, I know the battle is lost. MP3s won. So have flat screen televisions.

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 06:35 AM

Yep thats what i want to set closer to the wall to watch LOL :eek2:


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2. M650VSE - 60.35"W x 36.46"H x 2.58

By the simple reason the depth of the two devices are about 15 inches in difference you gain an additional 15 inches of viewing distance. The is a current run DLP comparision, you go to some of the older units that where the depth of the device was almost double the viewing distance is increased even more. Simple, logical thought processes :heybaby:

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 09:09 AM

Outside of the false insinuation that only Mitsubishi DLP TVs are good, practicality and good human engineering trump performance every day of the week.

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 09:31 AM

That depends. There are no DLP's that can beat or meet the best flat panel displays on the market today, aside from price.


I don't agree. While I would agree that DLP doesn't beat plasma even from an entry level plasma, I sure couldn't say that about the LCD/LED panels I've seen.

If I were to buy a big screen this year, it would either be a bigger plasma or a much bigger DLP. LCD/LED need not apply. :)

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 09:46 AM

I don't agree. While I would agree that DLP doesn't beat plasma even from an entry level plasma, I sure couldn't say that about the LCD/LED panels I've seen.

If I were to buy a big screen this year, it would either be a bigger plasma or a much bigger DLP. LCD/LED need not apply. :)


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Posted 09 December 2012 - 09:48 AM

I have 55" Mitsubishi RPT I bought in February 2004. It is our main TV. Other than an occasional convergence, I haven't touched the thing. Just the other day I said to the Mrs. about what a nice picture it still is. Different from my two smaller flat screens, but still pleasing to my eye. Goods seem to last for us though. We have a Whirlpool W&D and a Toro lawn mower we still use, all purchased in 1991. Not sure if I had to replace the TV if I would have bought another RPT.


You will be amazed if you replace the lamp. I have a 55" Sony SXRD set from 2006. Lamp went out a couple years ago. Had no idea how much the original lamp had dimmed over the years. Like having a brand new set. :)

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 11:06 AM

You will be amazed if you replace the lamp. I have a 55" Sony SXRD set from 2006. Lamp went out a couple years ago. Had no idea how much the original lamp had dimmed over the years. Like having a brand new set. :)


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Posted 09 December 2012 - 11:52 AM

I'm an owner of 2 mitsubishi sets. bought my first one in 2010 (a C9 model), had to replace the bulb ($99) this year but we used the tv a lot. did not stop me on buying a second model (2011 one). just hope the technical support stays on for some good years now or i will have to start stock piling some bulbs here :)

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