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#26 OFFLINE   Stewart Vernon

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Posted 22 December 2012 - 11:39 AM

So if you have a speech defect, don't even try out for the show.


I wouldn't go that far necessarily... but not all can play all things, no matter how politically correct we would like to be for kindness sake.

And a paraplegic shouldn't try out for Wipeout.


You beat me to it, so I didn't have to give an example!

I've seen this several times where people drop an "s" at the end


I think I was in 5th grade when I lost a spelling bee because I heard a plural word but the teacher swore she didn't say it. I spelled the word correctly, but added the "s" at the end to make it plural.

I still say I was correct and that she did say the plural... she may very well have said the word wrong given what I know today about people and incorrect pronunciation... but I still have to take the fall for not 100% verifying (as you see them do in national spelling bees) that the word I thought I heard was the word she actually said.

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Posted 22 December 2012 - 11:56 AM

I think I was in 5th grade when I lost a spelling bee because I heard a plural word but the teacher swore she didn't say it. I spelled the word correctly, but added the "s" at the end to make it plural.

I still say I was correct and that she did say the plural... she may very well have said the word wrong given what I know today about people and incorrect pronunciation... but I still have to take the fall for not 100% verifying (as you see them do in national spelling bees) that the word I thought I heard was the word she actually said.

What word was it?

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Posted 22 December 2012 - 12:17 PM

Get Hollywood Squares back.


It is back -- on MTV2 under the title "Hip Hop Squares."
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Posted 22 December 2012 - 03:02 PM

Wheel of Fortune has always required exact pronunciations. This isn't new, and has happened before.

So I guess my answer is "no".


+1 ... I agree ... No.

When we watch, we always listen very carefully to what a contestant says when solving the puzzle. We've seen Pat nix an answer when the pronunctiation wasn't just right.
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Posted 22 December 2012 - 03:14 PM

But he didn't do the pilot. The host of the pilot was Ed Byrnes, AKA "Kookie", from 77 Sunset Strip.

Upon further investigation, Woolery hosted an earlier pilot of essentially the same show but titled Shopper's Bazaar, then Byrnes hosted two pilot episodes which were titled Wheel of Fortune, and he claims in his autobiography that he was drunk during that audition of sorts, and then they went with Chuck Woolery for the first aired episode of the series.

The Byrnes pilots were essentially the same game as the original pilot with Woolery ... I would not hold a name change against him. :)

You gotta be kidding, I bet most folks Googled that right away... :lol:

And they probably found the right answer (Woolery) instead of the trick answer (Byrnes). :D
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Posted 22 December 2012 - 04:28 PM

"Sangwich" is usually heard in NYC. I've heard it in NJ too, but nowhere else. "Sammich" sounds like something a kid would say, like "psghetti".


Or something Godwin on Duck Dynasty would say. :lol:

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Posted 22 December 2012 - 08:07 PM

Her answer didn't change the meaning.

It's a silly game show and they got all exact.

If a Bostonian added an "h" to the word "park" would they say wrong?
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Posted 22 December 2012 - 08:21 PM

Pat Sajak is never wrong. Never.

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Posted 22 December 2012 - 08:31 PM

Her answer didn't change the meaning.

It's a silly game show and they got all exact.

If a Bostonian added an "h" to the word "park" would they say wrong?



It's not about meaning. It's about correct spelling and enunciation.

A Boston accent doesn't change how the word is spelled they way leaving a letter off does.
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Posted 22 December 2012 - 08:47 PM

What word was it?


I can't remember. It was a word, though, that the only difference in the singular and plural was that final "s" at the end... In my case, the teacher swore she had not said the "s" for the plural word. I was in no position to argue, and as I noted... it was really on me for not verifying by asking her to repeat the word a couple of times.

Her answer didn't change the meaning.

It's a silly game show and they got all exact.

If a Bostonian added an "h" to the word "park" would they say wrong?


They probably should... and it is a silly game show. Sometimes the puzzle is a slang or vernacular version and in those cases people have gotten the puzzle wrong by pronouncing letters that weren't there in the slang variant too. It cuts both ways.

It's not about meaning. It's about correct spelling and enunciation.

A Boston accent doesn't change how the word is spelled they way leaving a letter off does.


Exactly.

I remember back in the early-to-mid 1980s Chuck Woolery had a "Scrabble" game show. I watched it during breaks from school or days off. It was on NBC I believe.

Originally the show was played with two people... picking 2-at-a-time letter tiles and Chuck giving a pun-laden clue. So you had to figure out the double-meaning in the pun because sometimes one of your two letters wasn't in the word and you would lose a turn.

BUT... the kicker... to solve the puzzle you not only had to say the word BUT also spell the remaining missing letters...

So... if the visible puzzle was "D_N_E_" and the clue pointed you to guess "DANGER"... you also had to spell the missing letters "AGR" in order to win the round.

The funniest episodes were when neither person could spell... and they would have to keep playing and picking tiles even though they both knew the word but neither could spell it... and Chuck would know they had pulled up "stoppers" and were going to lose their turns... and the frustration would be right there in his voice and on his face.

That show got retooled pretty quickly to drop the spelling requirement because it literally killed the pace of the game given the caliber of contestants they were inviting.

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 10:30 AM

I remember back in the early-to-mid 1980s Chuck Woolery had a "Scrabble" game show. I watched it during breaks from school or days off. It was on NBC I believe.


Wasn't that "SLINGO"? I've seen a few of the old episodes on GSN, and most of the "new" ones hosted by Bill Ingvall. Inane, but entertaining.....

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 10:51 AM

Pat Sajak is never wrong. Never.

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 01:05 PM

Wasn't that "SLINGO"? I've seen a few of the old episodes on GSN, and most of the "new" ones hosted by Bill Ingvall. Inane, but entertaining.....


You're thinking of "Lingo" (no "S"). But that's a different game show than what Stewart Vernon was talking about, which was indeed called "Scrabble," and aired on NBC's daytime lineup right after "Wheel of Fortune" for a good chunk of the '80s.
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Posted 23 December 2012 - 01:36 PM

Quite randomly... while looking for clips from Woolery's Scrabble on YouTube... I came to the realization that IF they should ever make a movie about Chuck Woolery (why would they do that? I don't know)... George Clooney should play Woolery.

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 03:24 PM

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 12:29 PM

Quite randomly... while looking for clips from Woolery's Scrabble on YouTube... I came to the realization that IF they should ever make a movie about Chuck Woolery (why would they do that? I don't know)... George Clooney should play Woolery.


I can think of a game show host he'd be even better at portraying: his father Nick Clooney (who hosted a show called "The Money Maze," which had a brief run in the mid-1970s).

Of course, they'd probably be even less likely to make a Nick Clooney movie than a Chuck Woolery movie.
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Posted 24 December 2012 - 04:38 PM

I didn't know his father hosted a gameshow. In fact, I didn't know anyone other than his aunt was ever involved in show business at all.

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Posted 25 December 2012 - 06:25 AM

It's not about meaning. It's about correct spelling and enunciation.

A Boston accent doesn't change how the word is spelled they way leaving a letter off does.


Crap. Dropping a g is no different tan adding letters.

If it is about enunciation, ten a Bostonian adding an "h" or saying a clicker is a clicka sure is bad enunciation and stupid.

Or you think every quote in history was pronounced how it is currently spelled.

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Posted 25 December 2012 - 12:40 PM

I didn't know his father hosted a gameshow. In fact, I didn't know anyone other than his aunt was ever involved in show business at all.


Since his one national game show only had a fairly brief run, Nick Clooney was more well-known as a local TV personality in Cincinnati: he was a news anchor and a local talk-show host there for many years.

Here's a shot from the "Money Maze" set, with Nick Clooney at the far right:

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Posted 25 December 2012 - 12:50 PM

Looks more like a younger Chuck Barris.
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Posted 25 December 2012 - 08:06 PM

Since his one national game show only had a fairly brief run, Nick Clooney was more well-known as a local TV personality in Cincinnati: he was a news anchor and a local talk-show host there for many years.

Here's a shot from the "Money Maze" set, with Nick Clooney at the far right:


Very true, he is still extremely popular here. I'd take Nick Clooney over Nick or Drew Lachey as a celebrity any day.

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Posted 26 December 2012 - 08:55 AM

Sorry, guys, but this is not a matter of "correct" or "incorrect."

The English language has multiple dialects. Saying "swimmin" is not "incorrect." Wheel of Fortune can use whatever rules they want, but we cannot say it's "incorrect."

I say this as a professional writer with an English degree. I use STANDARD English. It's not correct, it's just standard! But it would behoove to write in the most neutral way possible to convey what I'm trying to say.

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Posted 26 December 2012 - 09:36 AM

Get Hollywood Squares back.


It is back -- on MTV2 under the title "Hip Hop Squares."

I'm just trying to imagine Paul Lynde saying, "Yo, hommies, watz up?" followed by that smirky laugh of his.
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Posted 26 December 2012 - 10:00 AM

Sorry, guys, but this is not a matter of "correct" or "incorrect."

The English language has multiple dialects. Saying "swimmin" is not "incorrect." Wheel of Fortune can use whatever rules they want, but we cannot say it's "incorrect."

In the context of the topic at hand - this game show - you are incorrect.

The game has rules, and the contestants are specifically briefed on them prior to each game that they must enunciate all their words clearly and loud enough to be heard. In this case...the contestant simply blew it. It's not the first time, nor will it be the last.
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Posted 26 December 2012 - 12:57 PM

In the context of the topic at hand - this game show - you are incorrect.

The game has rules, and the contestants are specifically briefed on them prior to each game that they must enunciate all their words clearly and loud enough to be heard. In this case...the contestant simply blew it. It's not the first time, nor will it be the last.


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