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#51 OFFLINE   Gary Toma

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 03:08 PM

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NEW DMA ACTIVE
NET|NAME|CHL|NOTES0|NOTES1
14|WLIO|8|A3 Lima 08 WLIO NBC|NBC from WLIODT-TV, 08, Lima, OH
14|FOX/MNT|9|A3 Lima 09 WLIODT FOX/MNT|FOX47I MNT from WLIODT2-TV, 09, Lima, OH
14|WBGU|27|A3 Lima 27 WBGU PBS|PBS from WBGUDT-TV, 27, Lima, OH
14|WOHL|35|A3 Lima 35 WOHL ABC|ABC from WOHLDT-TV, 35, Lima, OH
14|CBS|36|A3 Lima 36 WOHLDT CBS|CBS from WOHLDT2-TV, 36, Lima, OH
14|WTLW|44|A3 Lima 44 WTLW IND|Independent from WTLWDT-TV, 44, Lima, OH
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NEW LIL CHANNELS IN TEST
NET|NAME|CHL|NOTES0|NOTES1
3|*FORO SD|453|Univision ForoTV|Un canal de noticias las 24 horas del dia, los 7 dias de la semana
3|*UNTL SD|454|Univision Telenovelas|Univision telenovelas es un canal de television que te ofrece las mejores historias
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NEW LIL CHANNELS ACTIVE
NET|NAME|CHL|NOTES0|NOTES1
11|KVSN HD|48|A3 Colorado Springs 48 KVSN UNI|Univision from KVSNDT-TV, 48, Colorado Springs, CO
14|KDCU HD|31|A3 Wichita 31 KDCU UNI|Univision from KDCUDT-TV, 31, Wichita, KS
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Keys in the Excel TPN Map:

  • Channel Names in the Excel TPN Map which begin with an asterisk (*) are in TEST status
  • Channels shaded blue in the Excel use MPEG4 compression.
    While all HD channels are MPEG4, SD channels may also be in MPEG4.

Edited by gct, 09 March 2013 - 08:10 PM.



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Posted 27 February 2013 - 04:13 PM

NEW HD LIL CHANNELS IN TEST
NET NAME CHL NOTES0 NOTES1
11 *FOX 13 A3 Mankato, MN 13 KEYCDT2 FOX FOX from KEYCDT2-TV, 13, Mankato, MN


Thats funny.....I guess 480i widescreen is now HD?
I can pick it up OTA and its a subchannel off CBS. I know on both satco's its in SD so black barred on top and bottom....since everything but national programming is black barred hell its basically postage stamp on both providers

At least Directv will be providing a "better" signal ;)

(I know Directv gets a feed directly from KEYC studios as the OTA signal signs off at 1:07 each night but on D* and cable they play infomercials. Even Charter cable pipes in KMSP FOX 9 from Minneapolis for the HD programming)

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 05:55 PM

Thats funny.....I guess 480i widescreen is now HD?
I can pick it up OTA and its a subchannel off CBS. I know on both satco's its in SD so black barred on top and bottom....since everything but national programming is black barred hell its basically postage stamp on both providers

At least Directv will be providing a "better" signal ;)

(I know Directv gets a feed directly from KEYC studios as the OTA signal signs off at 1:07 each night but on D* and cable they play infomercials. Even Charter cable pipes in KMSP FOX 9 from Minneapolis for the HD programming)


Nah;

The problem is when an SD channel is using MPEG-4 compression and on Ka band, the data available in the un-encrypted data stream the maps are based upon do not contain the actual resolution of the signal being carried thereby distinguishing it from an HD program which uses the same format but at HD resolutions of course.

See gct's post here and the following immediate comments for a full explaination of the problem.

http://www.dbstalk.c...531#post3163531
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Posted 27 February 2013 - 06:34 PM

right now its in SD on 101W...When Directv added it they pulled KMSP (Minneapolis) from the Mankato lineup. Mankato is a 1 station town for decades (CBS). They added Fox subchannel in July 07 but Directv didnt carry it until last year. Mankato subs get ABC NBC and at the time FOX from Minneapolis

So if they are uplinking it in MPEG4 obviously they will "call" it a HD channel. Like I say the SD channel is mainly postage stamp unless its Fox programming. With it being in "HD" at least the screen will be filled on network programming ;)

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 06:40 PM

Thats funny.....I guess 480i widescreen is now HD?
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First - the previous HoTat2 post is absolutely correct; we clearly know which channels use MPEG4 compression, but at this time at least, we cannot tell the resolution of the programming payload being carried.

But - the 'A3' channel prefix almost universally indicates an HD channel. Right now I can not think of an exception.

[Edit: 2/28 - With a quick review of the data, there are now many "A3" prefix channels that are in SD. I need to find a clear, and current, definition of the "A3" notation. At one time it did indicate an MPEG4-D HD channel. (The MPEG4-D being Directv's custom implementation of MPEG4.) But today, I am finding many 'A3' records which are clearly not MPEG4 and clearly not HD.]

And it is not logical to waste bandwidth on D11 to send you a second copy of the same low quality SD signal you already receive from D4S/D9S. I would suggest that the lousy quality MPEG2 video you know have would be an equally lousy quality MPEG4 video. There might be a technical improvement in the MPEG4 picture, but not one that we humans would likely detect.

Forgive me for being optimistic, but this *TEST channel may be sitting here waiting for your FOX/13 to go HD. If you are interested, it might be worth your time to talk with those local station engineers....

Edited by gct, 28 February 2013 - 04:59 PM.



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Posted 27 February 2013 - 07:41 PM

... So if they are uplinking it in MPEG4 obviously they will "call" it a HD channel.


The new Puerto Rico channels, as an example, have a number of SD channels which are provided in MPEG4. You will be happy to know that those channels are not mis-represented as being HD.


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Posted 02 March 2013 - 02:22 PM

The Directv Latin America (DLA) TPN Map has been updated to 2/28/13 data.


I am also told, "...the CEO of DLA has announced in Latin America that Intelsat30 (which will be fully dedicated to Directv) will launch late this year or very early in 2014. That is significant because the World Cup is in July, 2014."


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Posted 02 March 2013 - 10:06 PM

And it is not logical to waste bandwidth on D11 to send you a second copy of the same low quality SD signal you already receive from D4S/D9S. I would suggest that the lousy quality MPEG2 video you know have would be an equally lousy quality MPEG4 video. There might be a technical improvement in the MPEG4 picture, but not one that we humans would likely detect.

The difference will be the SD channel right now is in postage stamp mode (with black bars around the picture) and national programming will have black bars on top and bottom. The "HD" channel (480i widescreen) will at least fill the picture during national programming. They dont have HD capabilities for outside national programming (they dont on the CBS main either). I can get the OTA version and it isnt that bad....unless there is really fast motion like NASCAR or NFL ;)
The SD channel on D* looks...to quote Charles Barkley...."TURRIBULL....JUST TURRIBULL"
So the "HD" version should be an improvement

Forgive me for being optimistic, but this *TEST channel may be sitting here waiting for your FOX/13 to go HD. If you are interested, it might be worth your time to talk with those local station engineers....

there is no HD version of the channel. I spoke with both the engineer and the GM about 2 years ago about HD (instead of 480i) and they said they can't go HD as the main CBS channel is in HD (I know it can be done but they are cheap....the owners own this stationa dn the CBS & FOx in Watertown, NY). The station(FOX subchannel) has been around since 07 but D* just added it a year ago IIRC which pissed a lot of people off as they were getting KMSP from Minneapolis in HD. SInce KEYC is the Fox affiliate they had to drop KMSP as the imported station. So now they got fox in glorious SD. I remember KEYC (the CBS station) saying to call Directv and demand they put the HD feed up but again there is no HD feed available for KEYC-DT2. Cable carries both KEYC-DT2 and KMSP in SD but only KMSP in HD (they do the same for CBS too...KEYC and WCCO in SD but KEYC in HD)
Directv gets a "direct feed" from the studios as both stations sign off at 12:30 at night yet on Directv you see sign off (anthem and everything), then color bars, (then the OTA transmitter gets turned off) and on D* they show paid programs on both stations.

I guess a full "HD" picture is better than postage stamp or black bars on the top and bottom of the screen ;)

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Posted 03 March 2013 - 09:20 PM

On 2/27, a half-dozen posts back in this thread, I made some comments about the "A3" prefix of LIL channel names. That post pointed out the need to do some homework and here is what I have found thus far. I do stand ready to be corrected by those with better resources...

A3 stands for "Advanced Modulation, Advanced Coding and Advanced Compression". A3 is assigned by satellite and transponder; the channels in our TPN Map with the A3 designation simply reflect the A3 status of their transponder.

We first noticed and started posting at dbstalk about the A3 channel prefix in 2009. From that time until recently, the A3 notation has been synonymous with HD. That assumption held up fine until recently. That makes sense: the greatest return-on-investment for Advanced Compression equipment is to be made with HD.

Now both Ku and Ka sats have A3 transponders. And we now have a number of SD channels with the A3 designation. These channels are clearly not HD and they do not appear to be MPEG4. It would be a natural progression to begin applying the gains of Advanced Compression to SD channels. A base of legacy MPEG2-only receivers may require that some channels not be upgraded to MPEG4.

It is not clear why the LIL channels from an A3 transponder carry the A3 prefix in their name, while CONUS channels from an A3 transponder do not carry that prefix.

Edited by gct, 06 March 2013 - 02:51 PM.



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Posted 03 March 2013 - 09:56 PM

It's just comments, no more. Don't be fooled by words. :)
A3 is a designator of tpn, not a channel. The note "A3" will be or could be assigned to a channel's note what is carry by such tpn.

Edited by P Smith, 03 March 2013 - 10:05 PM.


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Posted 06 March 2013 - 02:34 PM

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NEW CONUS CHANNELS IN TEST
NET|NAME|CHL|NOTES0|NOTES1
15|*UDNHD|455|Univision Deportes HD|Univision Deportes HD
0|*UDN|455|Univision Deportes|Univision Deportes

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NEW LIL CHANNELS IN TEST
NET|NAME|CHL|NOTES0|NOTES1
14|*WMGM HD|40|A3 Philadelphia 40 WMGM NBC|NBC from WMGMDT-TV, 40, Philadelphia, PA

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NEW LIL CHANNELS ACTIVE
NET|NAME|CHL|NOTES0|NOTES1
11|FOX HD|13|A3 Mankato, MN 13 KEYCDT2 FOX|FOX from KEYCDT2-TV, 13, Mankato, MN
14|WLFL HD|22|A3 Wilmington 22 WLFL CW Virt|CW from WLFLDT-TV, 22, Raleigh, NC

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NET|NAME|CHL|NOTES0|NOTES1
14|WIYC HD|67|A3 Montgomery 67 WIYC IND|Station is no longer available


Keys in the Excel TPN Map:

  • Channel Names in the Excel TPN Map which begin with an asterisk (*) are in TEST status
  • Channels shaded blue in the Excel are MPEG4 compression.
    While all HD channels use MPEG4, SD channels may also be MPEG4.

Edited by gct, 10 March 2013 - 03:10 PM.
Updated New CONUS Channel In Test Entries



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Posted 06 March 2013 - 03:11 PM

You missed a new SD conus channel in test:
Net 0, 455 *UDN Univision Deportes

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 05:37 PM

You missed a new SD conus channel in test:
Net 0, 455 *UDN Univision Deportes

There's also the HD version.
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Posted 06 March 2013 - 08:46 PM

FOX 13 A3 Mankato, MN 13 KEYCDT2 FOX FOX from KEYCDT2-TV, 13, Mankato, MN

The "HD" version looks waaaay better than the SD version
At least this version fills the whole screen during prime time and only has back bars on the sides instead of all around ;)

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 09:36 PM

You missed a new SD conus channel in test:
Net 0, 455 *UDN Univision Deportes


From a message from Doctor J, posted with his concurrence, of course:

No I saw those.
They are in the download data.
I did not comment as that is Usually SIXTO's domain.
It was a Spanish 400 channel and not usually something he reports automatically but was not going to comment until after I'd seen his updates this week.

Glad you are keeping me honest, but with CONUS, Spanish, International & LILs sometimes I lose focus! :)

I think we have graduated to using the "Comments from Doctor J" postings as kind of activity tracking system, and that is great! I'll go back and add those two 'new-in-test' channels to this morning's recap post!

Edited by gct, 06 March 2013 - 09:54 PM.



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Posted 07 March 2013 - 01:19 AM

From a message from Doctor J, posted with his concurrence, of course:

No I saw those.
They are in the download data.
I did not comment as that is Usually SIXTO's domain.
It was a Spanish 400 channel and not usually something he reports automatically but was not going to comment until after I'd seen his updates this week.

Glad you are keeping me honest, but with CONUS, Spanish, International & LILs sometimes I lose focus! :)

I think we have graduated to using the "Comments from Doctor J" postings as kind of activity tracking system, and that is great! I'll go back and add those two 'new-in-test' channels to this morning's recap post!


Also its OK to remind Doctor J, its safe to not wait on Sixto regarding any SD channel changes, since he doesn't report on those. Only HD ones. ;)

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 01:22 PM

New receivers just announced for Colombia are the LHR26 and LH26.

Interesting changes ahead!


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Posted 13 March 2013 - 02:16 PM

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NET|NAME|CHL|NOTES0|NOTES1
3|FORO SD|453|Univision ForoTV|ForoTV ofrece lo ultimo en noticias de Mexico y alrededor del mundo las 24 horas del dia
3|UNTL SD|454|Univision Telenovelas|Univision telenovelas, las mejores historias de todos los tiempos las 24 horas al dia
15|UDNHD HD|455|Univision Deportes HD|Univision Deportes HD
0|UDN SD|455|Univision Deportes|Univision Deportes



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NEW LIL CHANNELS ACTIVE
NET|NAME|CHL|NOTES0|NOTES1
14|WMGM HD|40|A3 Philadelphia 40 WMGM NBC|NBC from WMGMDT-TV, 40, Philadelphia, PA
0|WMGM SD|40|Philadelphia WMGM 40 NBC|NBC from WMGM-TV, 40, Philadelphia, PA
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Keys in the Excel TPN Map:

  • Channel Names in the Excel TPN Map which begin with an asterisk (*) are in TEST status
  • Channels shaded blue in the Excel are MPEG4 compression.
    While all HD channels use MPEG4, SD channels may also be MPEG4.

Edited by gct, 15 March 2013 - 10:00 PM.



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Posted 18 March 2013 - 04:47 PM

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Ch 15 CW (sd) has now changed to (HD) WNCT DT2

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 09:29 PM

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Ch 15 CW (sd) has now changed to (HD) WNCT DT2


Nice catch, Jamie. I would not have noticed. They are putting out a 720p signal both OTA and on DirecTV. One of the "features" of "MPEG4 only" markets, is that a switch from SD to HD doesn't get detected by analyzing the data, only by looking at the actual video stream.

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 09:47 PM

When most of the content is SD, it is hard to tell that the signal has changed.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 08:09 AM

Anyone notice that BabyFirstTV (293) is doing widescreen SD...

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 09:23 AM

Anyone notice that BabyFirstTV (293) is doing widescreen SD...


Yeah ...

Been mentioned that way by various posters at times ever since its transition to the MPEG-4/Ka band early last year;

http://www.dbstalk.c... SD#post2943941

In fact outside of anamorphic squeeze which DIRECTV hasn't used in many years, this is the only way an SD channel can be in a 16:9 format since DIRECTV always uses 4:3 for SD programs in MPEG-2 on Ku band.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 09:41 AM

Anyone notice that BabyFirstTV (293) is doing widescreen SD...

While I don't think that I have ever watched the Baby First channel, that is interesting. It is a regular 720x480i signal, but it displays as widescreen. It is an MPEG4 signal, so most SD only customers can't get it.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 09:56 AM

While I don't think that I have ever watched the Baby First channel, that is interesting. It is a regular 720x480i signal, but it displays as widescreen. It is an MPEG4 signal, so most SD only customers can't get it.


My 4 month old watches it from time to time and now that you say something, it does look a little "squished" on our one last remaining 4:3 TV.
Our 2 HDTV's it looks ok but still pretty blurry (used to HD here).

We also watch Disney JR and she loves the colors and sound on those shows. It really grabs her attention. I hope in the future more children's programming goes HD. Cartoon type content with solid colors should compress rather well when compared to filmed content.

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