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DIRECTV HD Channel Anticipation (Official Q1-13 Thread)


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#651 OFFLINE   harsh

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 08:58 AM

minus the way deals need to go about whatever political process and or just plain negotiations..
minus tango'ing
minus the paying customer's wants and comments on this board and many other sites
minus rocket launches needed to allocate said channel slot allotments..oh now the existing rocket can hold it in a different manner...

I suspect that by the time something is uplinked all of these questions have long been decided (right or wrong) and it comes down to implementation issues.

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#652 OFFLINE   harsh

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 09:05 AM

You can disagree with opinion or theory, not fact and reality.

It comes down to whether you can consider plans as fact.

Implementation is relatively indisputable but the likelihood that a "plan comes together" is no more than a likelihood.

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 09:09 AM

It comes down to whether you can consider plans as fact.

Implementation is relatively indisputable but the likelihood that a "plan comes together" is no more than a likelihood.


No Harsh, it does not. It comes down to whether you can consider facts as fact.
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Posted 22 January 2013 - 10:22 AM

The reality is that it takes a long time to create the bandwidth, fund it, make sure there are channels that can be launched (legal, etc).


SR, this question is truly intended out of curiosity and not meant to be snide by any means:

Based on your knowledge of the industry, why does it appear that DISH seems to get through these steps more speedily, owing to their greater addition of HD within the past few years? Or is that a misperception on my part?
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Posted 22 January 2013 - 10:26 AM

SR, this question is truly intended out of curiosity and not meant to be snide by any means:

Based on your knowledge of the industry, why does it appear that DISH seems to get through these steps more speedily, owing to their greater addition of HD within the past few years? Or is that a misperception on my part?


Plus they basically also built a new satellite system with their eastern arc setup that duplicates all the national channels.

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 10:34 AM

SR, this question is truly intended out of curiosity and not meant to be snide by any means:

Based on your knowledge of the industry, why does it appear that DISH seems to get through these steps more speedily, owing to their greater addition of HD within the past few years? Or is that a misperception on my part?


Of course, if you look at the total number of full time HD channels Dish has not had any greater additions, DirecTV has.

The difference is where DirecTV and Dish Network place the different content types on their priority list. DirecTV has established the reputation of being the place to go for sports content. This is indisputable. For example, Dish Network's long lack of the YES network and their current practice of only carrying occasional HD content on YES, has nearly eliminated the NY Metro area from the user base. Here in my part of NJ I see at least 10 DirecTV dishes to ever Dish Network dish.

Dish Network has chosen instead to focus on general interest HD and international programming. where I do see Dish Network dishes in the NY Metro area it is usually in areas with heavy Asian populations. There, Dish out numbers DirecTV by a wide margin.

Since many sports channels are regional, any given subscriber may not appreciate all the added channels on DirecTV. However, if you back and look, I think you'll see that in raw numbers DirecTV is ahead and has been ahead for a long time.

The discussion about Epix (in another thread) is a perfect example. These channels made sense for Dish to add since it fit with their priorities. They are not as high on DirecTV's list, so DirecTV is looking to other channels first.

In the long run, DirecTV's strategy seems to be working rather well. :)

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 10:44 AM

I think Dish has more MPEG4 and two whole arcs. In fact neighbor across the street just got dish and they have two dishes, one points one way, the other points the other way.

I guess that's more bandwidth available.

I know when the local cable systems axed analog transmissions of channels 28 and up, the HD started to fly on the system. Bandwidth is a beautiful thing.

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 10:45 AM

The difference is where DirecTV and Dish Network place the different content types on their priority list. DirecTV has established the reputation of being the place to go for sports content. This is indisputable.


I don't know if I'd sayd it's indisputable. Yes in the past if it was a sports channel it would almost automatically end up on DIRECTV but that's changing with anyone with a jock strap is starting their own RSN lately. Yes Dish has written off the NYC sports fan but the did add the Pac 12 network(s) which DIRECTV hasn't. Mike White has said thay with the increases in sport programming charges that DIRECTV will be looking long and hard at adding any of these new RSN's

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 10:50 AM

I don't know if I'd sayd it's indisputable. Yes in the past if it was a sports channel it would almost automatically end up on DIRECTV but that's changing with anyone with a jock strap is starting their own RSN lately. Yes Dish has written off the NYC sports fan but the did add the Pac 12 network(s) which DIRECTV hasn't. Mike White has said thay with the increases in sport programming charges that DIRECTV will be looking long and hard at adding any of these new RSN's


It is indisputable. DirecTV has far more sports offerings than Dish. It's not even close.
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Posted 22 January 2013 - 10:59 AM

^^^ What he said. ^^^

Dish has a LONG way to go before they could begin to threaten DirecTV's dominance of sports, PAC-12 Network or no.

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 11:01 AM

isn't CW a local problem not a direcTV problem? when our local CW when HD its shown up on DirecTV


As people who follow this thread religiously might already be aware of, the two (or three depending upon how you look at it) SD channels that I'm the most disappointed about not having in HD is TV Land and The CW DNS feeds. The DNS feeds are not available to everyone, but are national channels.

TV Land HD is currently in testing... soon leaving Series Links for The CW programming the only SD Series Links on my DVRs... a matter all the more disappointing when I think about the fact that the two DNS feeds are $3.50 a month.

Last Summer, I found out that my local affiliate (sub-channel) will be going HD sometime in 2013, so I figured that once January hit, I might get a better time frame from the affiliate, and put most of my hopes on receiving them via DirecTV rather than waiting for the DNS feeds anytime soon. However, since I haven't received any kind of response from my local affiliate at this time, I'm still unsure of what quarter their plans are for, and so the DNS feeds are still my #1 anticipated channel(s).... especially after TV Land HD is launched.

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 11:03 AM

On iPad and Android, still no updates on the Directv app. re: the new HD channels. Shouldn't there have been something by now?

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 11:06 AM

Here in my part of NJ I see at least 10 DirecTV dishes to ever Dish Network dish.


That'd be an interesting sight to see.

I live in a rural area where DISH beat DirecTV with locals seven years earlier... and HD-LiL by a year (or half a year?).

DirecTV has made major inroads here since adding LiL, but DISH dishes outnumber DirecTV dishes by a considerable margin still... it's hard to imagine seeing the opposite.

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 11:07 AM

On iPad and Android, still no updates on the Directv app. re: the new HD channels. Shouldn't there have been something by now?


Not necessarily... especially if they launch Friday! ;)

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 11:17 AM

I think Dish has more MPEG4 and two whole arcs. In fact neighbor across the street just got dish and they have two dishes, one points one way, the other points the other way.

I guess that's more bandwidth available...


Dish Network needs two arcs because they have few assets directly over the US - 110 and 119 are the only locations that are really useful nationwide, and even 119 gets tricky in some places in the Northeast. As they added capacity, it was in partial CONUS slots, so to avoid subscribers needing 3 or even 4 dishes, they resorted to duplicating programming across two arcs.

Your neighbor is a perfect example - they need 2 dishes to get what a DirecTV subscribers gets with one. Dish may have more total MPEG-4 encoders in operation, but at any given location you only get the benefit of of a portion of them. DirecTV was fortunate (and acted quickly enough) to secure the most desireable CONUS satellite locations centered around 101 degrees WL, so that they don't need to duplicate programming.

While bandwidth is a great thing to have, at the end of the day it depends upon what the provider does with it that counts. If you are a DirecTV subscriber and you covet the HD channels provided by Dish Network then you should consider switching (and vice versa).

I know that in the case of my family, we have been happy DirecTV subscribers for over 11 years and with the addition of LMN and H2 in HD our "wishlist" will be complete. But every year or two we look at our options. We are lucky, we have DirecTV, Dish Network, FiOS and Cablevision Optimum to choose from.

As customers of a service provider we need to periodically review how we feel about the quality of that service and decide if we might not be happier elsewhere. So far, for us, the scales have always balanced in DirecTV's favor.

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 11:29 AM

That'd be an interesting sight to see.

I live in a rural area where DISH beat DirecTV with locals seven years earlier... and HD-LiL by a year (or half a year?).

DirecTV has made major inroads here since adding LiL, but DISH dishes outnumber DirecTV dishes by a considerable margin still... it's hard to imagine seeing the opposite.


We have a large number of dishes in general in this area, thanks to Cablevision being so absolutely awful for so many years (they have improved, but are still no better than mediocre). About 3 out of every 5 houses have a dish of some kind.

We have exactly the reverse of what you describe: Dish Network didn't carry the Yankee's at all for the first year or two, which really killed them in the NY Metro area. DirecTV actually had tents setup outside Yankee stadium that first summer to sign people up. This part of NJ is also heavily wooded, so Dish Network's wider reception arc is also a handicap.

That said, drive 15 or 20 minutes south to Palisades Park, NJ (where there is very large Asian immigrant community) and the situation reverses. There Dish Network's stronger international programming wins the day.

These are just more examples of how content, not technology, drives peoples' choices.

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 11:56 AM

In my town there is no cable or telecom alternative so Dish or Directv is it. However there are by far more directv customers here than dish. The fact that nearly every local channel is in HD has helped but I'm sure the overall national HD content plays a large part. That and the customer service.
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Posted 22 January 2013 - 12:30 PM

That'd be an interesting sight to see.

I live in a rural area where DISH beat DirecTV with locals seven years earlier... and HD-LiL by a year (or half a year?).

DirecTV has made major inroads here since adding LiL, but DISH dishes outnumber DirecTV dishes by a considerable margin still... it's hard to imagine seeing the opposite.


I've only been in very small rural areas where Dish dishes outweigh DirecTV dishes. I am talking maybe within a five mile area where there are at most ten houses. Then driving down the road, you see a Dish retailer sign. So, it is one store selling locally.

I have been all over the northeast and large parts of the midwest and have seen an order of magnitude of DirecTV dishes to Dish ones. Your area has a historical reason to be as it is, but to my experience, it is the anomaly.
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Posted 22 January 2013 - 12:38 PM

It would be interesting to see the number of active Dish vs. DirecTV subscribers by state, city, or even ZIP code. Obviously that is highly proprietary information, but it would still be interesting.

In my neighborhood, DirecTV seems to outnumber Dish by at least 2 to 1. Some clusters of homes are more like 3 to 1.

I wonder when the central Iowa locals became fully available in HD with the two companies.
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Posted 22 January 2013 - 12:39 PM

I've only been in very small rural areas where Dish dishes outweigh DirecTV dishes. I am talking maybe within a five mile area where there are at most ten houses. Then driving down the road, you see a Dish retailer sign. So, it is one store selling locally.

I have been all over the northeast and large parts of the midwest and have seen an order of magnitude of DirecTV dishes to Dish ones. Your area has a historical reason to be as it is, but to my experience, it is the anomaly.


I haven't scoured the whole market, but it's obvious in three counties. You are right though... the subscriber totals prove my market is an anomaly. ;)

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 12:40 PM

I haven't scoured the whole market, but it's obvious in three counties. You are right though... the subscriber totals prove my market is an anomaly. ;)


And an understandable one if Dish had (better) locals first.
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Posted 22 January 2013 - 12:40 PM

I'm in southern Illinois and the mix is about even from casual observation. The channel differences in HD, other than the sports, is considered minimal to those I talk to.

This will most likely be my last post in this thread as I have moved back to Dish to get Epix and Reelz HD. The other differences in channel lineup between the two is of no concern to me.

I will say that if Direct's SD was as good as I'm seeing with the Hopper on the Eastern arc, I wouldn't have considered the switch.

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 12:40 PM

Dish Network's 2 disc setup (if you're getting foreign packages) don't sit well with those in Manhattan that can put dishes outside their windows...I'm sure no NY RSN's on E* also speaks volumes..plenty of D* dishes as far as the eye can see up and down on many residential parts on Broadway..more non HD of course being that single LNB is so small..only a few windows i see sporting the BIG slimline HD LNB

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 01:01 PM

And an understandable one if Dish had (better) locals first.


Not that the potential subscriber #'s would have been worth it, but I truly believe that if DirecTV had launched some form of locals earlier... during the time when DISH couldn't offer ABC (or for a short period of time, CBS), that DirecTV could have turned the tide.

As it was, DirecTV did not have CBS for about a month after LiL launched, and only had an ABC (HD) for six months before DISH added one due to an affiliation launch, and then DirecTV was at something of a disadvantage as DirecTV offered that ABC in SD until a few months ago, and DISH added it in HD from the start.

DIRECTV: 5 HD locals (NBC, ABC, PBS, FOX, CBS), 2 SD locals (The CW, IND)
DISH: 4 HD locals (NBC, ABC, FOX, CBS), 2 SD local (PBS, IND)

Plus... DISH advertised locals BIG TIME. I never saw any form of advertisement or promotion from DirecTV about locals at all.

I figure DirecTV didn't see enough value in my market to attack it aggressively. They're making headway VERY slowly, but surely... it helps that satellite customers far outweigh cable customers here.

I digress... I've gotten way off-topic.

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 01:23 PM

I guess DISH seems to get things done faster because decisions are basically being made by one person, similar to the way Apple used to be run under Steve Jobs. So technology is adapted quicker, programming decisions are made more nimbly and things are done now with the consequences to faced later such as the no-commercial Hopper kerfuffle. The downside is that negotiations with carriers and legal proceedings are also done on a personal level, and the person involved is often very difficult to negotiate with. That leads to more and longer programming outages.

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