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#26 OFFLINE   peds48

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 09:31 PM

All I can say is "something" is happening at the end of next month….
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Posted 09 April 2013 - 06:52 PM

All I can say is "something" is happening at the end of next month….


Can you give a little more information?

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 07:16 PM

I think it will be soon... But...
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Posted 09 April 2013 - 09:05 PM

As of right now, DTV is only focusing on the iOS market. And only on non jailbroken devices because their agreement with Apple was to not allow jailbroken devices work with the DirecTV apps to help deter people from jailbreaking their Apple devices. Pretty lame....

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Posted 10 April 2013 - 09:41 AM

As of right now, DTV is only focusing on the iOS market. And only on non jailbroken devices because their agreement with Apple was to not allow jailbroken devices work with the DirecTV apps to help deter people from jailbreaking their Apple devices. Pretty lame....


Actually I would think that the agreement would be between DirecTV and the channel providers that makes them only support non-jailbroken devices, not Apple. The channel providers want to protect their programming, and they feel that jail broken devices might make it easier to get pirated versions of the shows out there.
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Posted 10 April 2013 - 10:10 AM

The channel providers want to protect their programming, and they feel that jail broken devices might make it easier to get pirated versions of the shows out there.

Is there any evidence at all that jailbreaking supports piracy of protected content?

I suspect it has more to do with Apple holding the keys to the app store and demanding that listed products aren't jailbreak friendly.

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Posted 10 April 2013 - 10:25 AM

Is there any evidence, heck if I know, but since when has that kept the MPAA from being crazy about DMA etc and protecting their content.

That said it wouldn't suprise me if there were apps out there for jailbroken phones that capture the video and audio streaming to them. Just like video capture apps on a computer (which DirecTV looks for and disables Nomad and DirecTV2PC if it finds them). Do you think they do that because Microsoft is super protective of all the apps that run in Windows, or is it more likely that it is the channel providers/studios pushing for it just like they push for copy protection, Macrovision, Java, Cinavia etc. on VHS, DVDs and Blu-Rays.
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Posted 10 April 2013 - 11:47 AM

Is there any evidence at all that jailbreaking supports piracy of protected content?


There might be no evidence but once an iPhone is JB'd, anything is up for grabs…
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Posted 12 April 2013 - 07:45 AM

Theorizing that it could happen may be fun, but why get the content people wound up if it turns out that it isn't really possible?

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Posted 14 April 2013 - 01:49 PM

Same boat here - waiting for Nomad to support Android before buying.

 

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 02:39 PM

With the transition from Nomad to GenieGO marketing strategies, I've been told that Android support is in the pipeline.  That being said, dates were not specified, and I have a strong feeling that Android support is being built in Valve time.


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Posted 17 April 2013 - 03:13 PM

Yawn yawn.  Same ole story.  

 

I don't mean any offense but this doesn't tell anyone anything.  Android has been in the "pipeline" for quite some time and still no official word, and no official progress.  People like me are tired of waiting, especially when Android market share is greater than Apple, and has been for quite some time.  This is where you will undoubtedly tell me that Apple is easier to code for since Apple has a single platform, etc., etc.  While that is certainly true, I have seen no efforts to code for ANY of the Android platforms, even the platform with the greatest share.

 

Anyway, I am tired of the silence, I am tired of the delays, and I don't think I am out of line for having these feelings.  We have waited long enough, and the stock price over the last year clearly shows that DirecTV is making money, it isn't like they are barely getting by.  My bill shows the same (yes, I know that all of that doesn't go to DirecTV, but you get my drift).

 

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 03:32 PM

Yawn yawn.  Same ole story.  

 

I don't mean any offense but this doesn't tell anyone anything.  Android has been in the "pipeline" for quite some time and still no official word, and no official progress.  People like me are tired of waiting, especially when Android market share is greater than Apple, and has been for quite some time.  This is where you will undoubtedly tell me that Apple is easier to code for since Apple has a single platform, etc., etc.  While that is certainly true, I have seen no efforts to code for ANY of the Android platforms, even the platform with the greatest share.

 

Anyway, I am tired of the silence, I am tired of the delays, and I don't think I am out of line for having these feelings.  We have waited long enough, and the stock price over the last year clearly shows that DirecTV is making money, it isn't like they are barely getting by.  My bill shows the same (yes, I know that all of that doesn't go to DirecTV, but you get my drift).

 

Again I apologize if I sound snippy or rude.  That isn't my intent.

 

Again, Valve Time.  Maybe it'll come around sometime around the release of Half-Life 3. :P


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Posted 17 April 2013 - 03:42 PM

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 03:43 PM

especially when Android market share is greater than Apple, and has been for quite some time.  

 

We can debate this all day long…


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Posted 17 April 2013 - 03:46 PM

When can debate this all day long…

 

I certainly don't want to do that.  

 

Let's just say they are the same for the sake of argument.  Let's just say that Android is 5 points lower than Apple.  It still doesn't dismiss my argument.  There is a lot of people that use Android - bottom line, the amount of time that has passed is inexcusable.


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Posted 17 April 2013 - 03:53 PM

I certainly don't want to do that.  

 

Let's just say they are the same for the sake of argument.  Let's just say that Android is 5 points lower than Apple.  It still doesn't dismiss my argument.  There is a lot of people that use Android - bottom line, the amount of time that has passed is inexcusable.

Now we are on the same page  :righton:


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Posted 17 April 2013 - 04:01 PM

Now we are on the same page  :righton:

 

It really doesn't matter.  For fanbois on both sides to argue who has greater market share dilutes the intent of the original argument, and I wish it was never brought up.

 

When fighting about market share, people from both sides make the second place holder look like they are the Symbian OS or something.  Whatever report you want to look it they basically say the same thing, and it is that they are close, and now I am very sorry that I added it as part of my argument.


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Posted 17 April 2013 - 05:14 PM

Market Penetration, Android fragmentation and ease of programming all come into factors when deciding who to program for.  A big plus is that iOS users spend more money that Android


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Posted 18 April 2013 - 06:24 AM

There are some significant differences between writing apps for iOS and for Android. In some cases, Android is easier because there are more 3rd party tools. But for an app that is going to have to scale and display streaming video, and provide DRM that satisfies the content owners, Android presents a number of challenges. The broad array of different displays, different processor architectures, and the rapid evolution of the OS itself all make such an application challenging on Android. There are many Android apps, for example, that don't work correctly on Ice Cream Sandwich. Personally, I believe we would have seen an Android Nomad client by now were it not for ICS and the many changes implemented in that release.

All that being said, count me in as someone that would love to see a Nomad client for my Droid DNA (which has a 1280x1920 display and runs ICS). :)

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 06:31 AM

Market Penetration, Android fragmentation and ease of programming all come into factors when deciding who to program for.  A big plus is that iOS users spend more money that Android

 

Yes.  Let's talk about this:

  • Market Penetration - Right there with Apple.
  • Fragmentation - Obviously this is the biggest problem - Android has much more fragmentation
  • Ease of programming - I would say - very similar to iPhone.
  • Money spending - Mac users spend more money than PC users.  Historically iOS users buy more apps than Android users.  Why?  Is it because there are more free Android Apps?  Is it a user base thing (most people I know that have iPhones are kids and they buy lots of games) iIs it because people that have iOS devices truly just spend more money (adults)?  I don't know, but I think this is a hard argument to stand on.

BOTTOM LINE????

 

Your points are good ones and would probably explain why an iPhone app was made first...  BUT PLEASE REMEMBER - THE IPHONE APP HAS BEEN OUT FOR QUITE SOME TIME!!!!  I am not arguing that Android should have been made first, I am arguing that it should NOT have taken this long to get similar functionality to the Android platform.  Again, we aren't talking about Symbian OS.


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Posted 18 April 2013 - 06:40 PM

Didn't I say we can debate this all day long….. !rolling

 

They "money argument" was that (maybe?) since iOS users tend to spend more money, perhaps DirecTV thinks that having an iOS app might lead to more revenue from "pay movies" :computer:


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Posted 18 April 2013 - 08:29 PM

Didn't I say we can debate this all day long….. !rolling

 

They "money argument" was that (maybe?) since iOS users tend to spend more money, perhaps DirecTV thinks that having an iOS app might lead to more revenue from "pay movies" :computer:

 

Maybe, but I again refresh my point:

 

BUT PLEASE REMEMBER - THE IPHONE APP HAS BEEN OUT FOR QUITE SOME TIME!!!!  I am not arguing that Android should have been made first, I am arguing that it should NOT have taken this long to get similar functionality to the Android platform.  Again, we aren't talking about Symbian OS.


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Posted 18 April 2013 - 08:49 PM

Agreed that an Android app for Nomad has been needed for quite some time.



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Posted 08 May 2013 - 09:11 AM

So Peds...

 

All I can say is "something" is happening at the end of next month….

 

While it isn't quite the end of the month yet, we are about a week out.  When you said "something" is happening, did you mean that the market would be closing above 15k for the first time???  :/

 

Is your ETA for "something" still correct, or does it need to be revised??


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