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#51 OFFLINE   SayWhat?

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 06:12 PM

I don't want to fund an organization that runs propaganda advocating violence against my fellow citizens. Al Jazeera is an avenue for Al Queida and the like to spread their videos worldwide. To me, from what I've seen, they go way beyond what anyone could call responsible journalism.


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Posted 04 January 2013 - 06:43 PM

I don't want to fund an organization that runs propaganda advocating violence against my fellow citizens. Al Jazeera is an avenue for Al Queida and the like to spread their videos worldwide. To me, from what I've seen, they go way beyond what anyone could call responsible journalism.


I've watched hours of AJE. Have not seen anything that could remotely be classified as "advocating violence" against the US. Have they played Al Qaeda videos? Yes. But I first saw those same videos on NBC, CBS, CNN, and ABC. The network is owned by the Qatar government, a government that is very pro-American. They host US Central Command's middle east command center.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 07:02 PM

If folks want to threaten to drop their television service because they don't agree with what their subscription fees are paying for, that's their right of free speech.

I've been a customer of DirecTV for many, many years. If they don't drop this network before the transition, I may very well drop DirecTV. That's my choice, and it's their choice. Choices are good, that tells us there's still freedom left in these lands.


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Posted 04 January 2013 - 07:08 PM

This is funny...


I agree that it's funny but I also think it speaks volumes about folks in this country. I doubt I need to explain what I mean.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 07:14 PM

I was looking forward to having Al-Jazeera on cable. There are some religious channels that I want deleted as well, but they aren't leaving and neither is Al-Jazeera. I wasn't a fan of Current TV at first because they killed Newsworld International in order to get on the air. I have started to like it since it got the current format and will be looking forward to the changes that they will be making.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 07:25 PM

I was looking forward to having Al-Jazeera on cable. There are some religious channels that I want deleted as well, but they aren't leaving and neither is Al-Jazeera. I wasn't a fan of Current TV at first because they killed Newsworld International in order to get on the air. I have started to like it since it got the current format and will be looking forward to the changes that they will be making.


I've got a long list of channels I don't like paying for ,the religious channels I especially would like to see go the way of the dinosaur, but I also understand that some people might. Different strokes for different folks. Like I said before, the bias against AJ is because of the name. Nothing more.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 07:48 PM

I don't want to fund an organization that runs propaganda advocating violence against my fellow citizens. Al Jazeera is an avenue for Al Queida and the like to spread their videos worldwide.


I haven't seen the channel, so I can't speak to that... but are you saying the US-based news channels didn't air those same videos? I'm pretty sure I remember seeing all the videos. In fact, I also have seen clips that are supposed to be from Al Jazeera airing on US-based news channels... so, what's the difference?

Propaganda? As if US-based news channels don't air propaganda themselves? I also am pretty sure I've seen US-based news programs advocating "rising up" and "taking arms" and such... promoting violence as you put it... so this wouldn't be new either.

Disagree with? The United States didn't have a disagreement with Bin Laden.


Debatable... arguably we did have a disagreement with him, that ultimately led to worse things... but that's a horse of a different color.

What does the very much deceased Bin Laden have to do with Al Jazeera?

There's a huge difference between disagreement and promoting violence.


True... but having not seen the channel, I can't say Al Jazeera falls into your categorization. Have you actually watched the channel? OR are you basing your opinion on what others have told you?

I try not to form opinions and hatred of content without having the chance to see that content myself... there are lots of things on US-based news channels that I personally could do without seeing, sometimes even that offend me and embarrass me as an American... but at least I've seen them before forming that opinion.

I just always find it highly ironic how we talk about freedom of speech, expression, and how other countries oppress different views... and then we have the Salem Witch trials, Communist "witch" hunts, and try our best to oppress other viewpoints than our own.

Highly ironic.

The US that I thought I was born into was one that listened to what others said before dismissing it so casually. Listen, then object... even protest... but don't try to prevent others from the opportunity to listen for themselves.

That's how we get books banned from schools or libraries or book stores... and how we get other channels banned too. Some don't like the violence, sex, cursing, etc. on cable/satellite and would like to see all that censored too... It's a slippery slope when you go from "I don't want to watch this" to "I don't want you to watch it either."

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 07:51 PM

I've got a long list of channels I don't like paying for ,the religious channels I especially would like to see go the way of the dinosaur, but I also understand that some people might. Different strokes for different folks. Like I said before, the bias against AJ is because of the name. Nothing more.

Many of the religious channels pay to be carried, rather than you paying for them.
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Posted 04 January 2013 - 08:07 PM

Many of the religious channels pay to be carried, rather than you paying for them.


Many being the key word. I'm gonna drop this as this is about Current TV and not religion and whatnot. Fair enough?

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 08:16 PM

I agree that it's funny but I also think it speaks volumes about folks in this country.


And in 2013 yet. You'd think we would have made some progress along the way.
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Posted 04 January 2013 - 08:19 PM

And in 2013 yet. You'd think we would have made some progress along the way.


You'd think right? Seems we take 1 step forward and 3 back.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 09:16 PM

To some folks, if it ain't on Fox News, it ain't news and shouldn't be broadcast anywhere.


That's what I did with Fox 'News'.


Me too.........that was the first thing i got rid of. Permanently.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 09:21 PM

Me too.........that was the first thing i got rid of. Permanently.


I tune to it once in a while if i need a good laugh. Works every time. :hurah:
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Posted 04 January 2013 - 11:30 PM

With Current being sold for 500 hundred million, I was wondering if that would set the bottom price that a network could be sold for?

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 11:38 PM

Respectfully, AlexCF, I think you're mistaken about AJE. What you're describing just does not exist. You can take a look at a live stream of AJE here and see: http://www.aljazeera.com/watch_now/

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 11:59 PM

I don't want to fund an organization that runs propaganda advocating violence against my fellow citizens. Al Jazeera is an avenue for Al Queida and the like to spread their videos worldwide. To me, from what I've seen, they go way beyond what anyone could call responsible journalism.

Al Jazeera is not a propaganda arm for Al Qaida.
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Posted 05 January 2013 - 12:05 AM

As mentioned before, this is a near-perfect cultural fit---probably little to no due diligence required at all before the deal was consummated.

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 12:06 AM

This is real news?



Shameful.

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 12:07 AM

Don't forget one other huge truth concerning this channel: it was VERY CLEAR this channel was tied in with Al Quada. This channel was always the one in the Arab world to show/transmit Bin Laden's tapes/speeches etc. This channel is an anti-American channel which only is a propaganda instrument of the Arab world which just loves to hate us "infidels"

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 12:10 AM

Don't forget one other huge truth concerning this channel: it was VERY CLEAR this channel was tied in with Al Quada. This channel was always the one in the Arab world to show/transmit Bin Laden's tapes/speeches etc.


Did you consider that Bin Laden's tapes and speeches were news and that they are a news channel? Should they have ignored Bin Laden? Made the decision for us what was news? A good news outlet presents both sides of a story, not just one. They do a very good job of presenting both sides of stories, and presenting stories no other "news" outlets even bother to carry.

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 12:18 AM

Don't forget one other huge truth concerning this channel: it was VERY CLEAR this channel was tied in with Al Quada. This channel was always the one in the Arab world to show/transmit Bin Laden's tapes/speeches etc. This channel is an anti-American channel which only is a propaganda instrument of the Arab world which just loves to hate us "infidels"


You need to do some basic research, as your claims are false.
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Posted 05 January 2013 - 12:20 AM

In fact, I also have seen clips that are supposed to be from Al Jazeera airing on US-based news channels... so, what's the difference?


Like you said, you saw clips. The US networks don't treat the stuff as regular programming and let it run in its entirety and it's presented under the context of terrorism and homeland security. US networks don't also run docudramas that aim to describe the "human side" of the madman that wanted to kill as many of us as possible.

Remember too that material that airs in English isn't necessarily representative of an organization's real agenda. We saw this happen with the recent attacks on the US embassy in Egypt. The Muslim Brotherhood expressed sympathy to the US in English, meanwhile their Arabic content was pretty much the opposite. That isn't rumor or conjecture, it was the State Department that pointed it out. I wouldn't be so quick to assume that this wouldn't be more of the same.

As if US-based news channels don't air propaganda themselves?


Propaganda encouraging the mass murder of civilians? I doubt that very much.

Our leaders do go on television and threaten leaders who threaten us, but I don't think anyone ever advocates indiscriminate killing. Remember the coverage of the atrocities at Abu Ghraib? None of our networks were cheering that, and the public response eventually shut the prison down.

Maybe we're hitting a turning point. Some Libyan civilians attacked the headquarters of a group that was supposedly responsible for the attack on our consulate. It looked staged to me, but maybe it wasn't. Who knows, our government certainly isn't saying much. Perhaps someday we'll all learn to get along. Hasn't happened yet, probably isn't likely to any time soon.

I also am pretty sure I've seen US-based news programs advocating "rising up" and "taking arms" and such.


What the heck have you been watching?

What does the very much deceased Bin Laden have to do with Al Jazeera?


Al Jazeera was his bullhorn. Not to mention other programs that they've run about the guy trying to pass off something other than the reality we know.

Have you actually watched the channel? OR are you basing your opinion on what others have told you?


A mix of the two. A lot of content was hitting the web a while back from their non-English broadcasts. It was stuff that would never air here. Frankly, I wish that I'd never seen any of it.

I try not to form opinions and hatred of content without having the chance to see that content myself.


What hatred? My point is that I don't want my monthly payments to my provider to end up going to the folks that operate that network. I'm not wishing them an eternity in hell, unlike what some of their content wishes on us. I'm sure they've learned to sanitize their English feed. That doesn't mean that their motives have changed any.

I just always find it highly ironic how we talk about freedom of speech, expression, and how other countries oppress different views... and then we have the Salem Witch trials, Communist "witch" hunts, and try our best to oppress other viewpoints than our own.


I find it depressing how whenever someone has a disagreement with someone else they start whining about their freedoms and comparing it with real oppression. If freedom of speech were being suppressed here, we wouldn't have both MSNBC and Fox News. They're two polar opposites, yet they coexist.

If Current can't attract enough viewers to stay on satellite, that's not oppression. That's economics. If viewers walk away from content and the content gets cancelled, that's the free market at work. Oppression would be the FCC threatening to revoke the licenses of any provider retransmitting the content here. That's not going to happen.

You're making a classic mistake. You think freedom of speech only applies to speech that you approve of. If I want to voice an opinion that you don't happen to agree with, that's my freedom of speech. I don't want to pay money to this network. Being a free individual, I'm entitled to make that choice without your permission or the permission of the government. I have no power to "oppress" anyone or anything. If a lot of people with similar views cause a provider to drop a network, that's the provider responding to consumer demand. Others can be just as vocal supporting the network to encourage the provider to keep it.

Good grief. You're crying about free speech and oppression because of a viewpoint that you don't agree with! How hilarious is that? We must be intolerant towards intolerance! :sure:

Some don't like the violence, sex, cursing, etc. on cable/satellite and would like to see all that censored too.


Try using profanity here and see where that gets you. Does that mean that the moderators here are oppressing us? There's nothing stopping someone from setting up a forum like this where anything goes. There aren't many like that. Why do you suppose that is? Enough people don't find it acceptable, therefore there's little demand. It's not a failure of free speech. It's not a form of oppression.

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 12:21 AM

This is real news?


Shameful.


"The Five" presents itself to be, and is, quite obviously, a Fox News Channel round-table discussion, much like the many network round-table discussions on other networks. It makes no representation of being news reporting. Just out of curiosity, what part of "discussion" do you find "shameful?"

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 12:27 AM

"The Five" presents itself to be, and is, quite obviously, a Fox News Channel round-table discussion, much like the many network round-table discussions on other networks. It makes no representation of being news reporting. Just out of curiosity, what part of "discussion" do you find "shameful?"


They are reporting and commenting on a news story. The way in which they do it is shameful, with the one guy calling it "crap" on the air.

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 12:30 AM

The folks opposed to this network are the same people who get their news from Alex Jones and InfoWars/PrisonPlanet. :)
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