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CES 2013: Engadget posts a hands on for the HR44


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#51 ONLINE   hdtvfan0001

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 07:23 AM

Actually Nomad would exceed the Hopper in that respect. You off load the recordings onto the device (tablet, phone, laptop, etc.) and don't need an internet connection to watch the recording. In this case Nomad would satisfy both 2. & 3.

As for 4. in your list; DIRECTV Anywhere meets that criteria. And, you don’t have to have an HR44 to use it.

If someone needs the added capacity they could install a 4TB eSATA drive. And let’s face it, most people don’t need to store more than 200 hours of HD, but if they did they could have double the capacity of the Hopper. I don’t know about you but I delete recordings after I watch them so 200+ hours of HD is more than enough for me.

So, in reality you’d only need to add the Nomad and if you really needed the space, the eSATA drive. ;)

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Having seen Dish's Sling with Hopper firsthand in detail here at CES, and having asked a variety of questions of onsite engineering leads in their booth...once folks got past the marketing propaganda...the devil was indeed in the details, especially with a number of limitations for the Dish offering intended to compete with DirecTV's nomad.

The Sling with Hopper HD DVR boasts a 2TB drive, but a portion of that capacity is not actually usable for customer recordings. Both the DirecTV and Dish storage capacities can be augmented to larger sizes.

Having used nomad for some time, and now closely seen what Dish will offer about 1/17/13...it became clear that from a capability and technology standpoint, the Dish offering is roughly 1 year behind nomad in it's evolution and also contains a number of significant user limitations.
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Posted 12 January 2013 - 05:39 PM

Hopefully the RC70 will control Samsung Soundbars or have a learning feature.

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 06:13 PM

BLAH...nothing really exciting about this. And who wants a box that requires a clunky enternal power supply?


I do as I don't want an Internal Power Supply that causes Heat which degrades electronics such as the hard drive, etc.

Also, if it dies you can just get a Replacement Power Supply and keep the HR44 with all of it's Recordings. :)
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Posted 12 January 2013 - 06:20 PM

I don't have an HR34, but I read that they are about as responsive as the other HR DVR's, is the "faster" chip in the HR44 noticeable? Channel load time? Scroll speed? Remote responsiveness?


From what I know and have learned the HR44 is considerately Faster than all of the other Directv DVRs including the Fast HR24 as far as Channel Load Time, Scroll Speed (Lightning Fast) and Remote Responsiveness due to a Better Faster CPU, etc.

Can't wait to get my hands on one personally!!! :D
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Posted 12 January 2013 - 08:41 PM

I do as I don't want an Internal Power Supply that causes Heat which degrades electronics such as the hard drive, etc.

Also, if it dies you can just get a Replacement Power Supply and keep the HR44 with all of it's Recordings. :)


I'm very skeptical to the point ..will see when customers would benefit for the feature ... if they will :)

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 09:11 PM

I'm very skeptical to the point ..will see when customers would benefit for the feature ... if they will :)


Why be Skeptical when it seems like a Great Idea unless I am missing something!!! :confused:
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Posted 12 January 2013 - 10:00 PM

Why be Skeptical when it seems like a Great Idea unless I am missing something!!! :confused:


Its already in place with h25's. You can get a replacement power supply rather than a whole new receiver.

My setup: HR 44, HR34, 2x HR 24, 2x HR 23-700, 4x C31's, Nomad...


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Posted 12 January 2013 - 10:48 PM

Its already in place with h25's. You can get a replacement power supply rather than a whole new receiver.

How do they diagnose that the problem is the power supply?
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Posted 12 January 2013 - 10:55 PM

How do they diagnose that the problem is the power supply?

People don't know that simple answer?

Then again...all that has absolutely nothing to do with the thread topic.
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Posted 12 January 2013 - 11:43 PM

How do they diagnose that the problem is the power supply?


Well I believe if the wall outlet proves to be good and the receiver will not power on there isn't much else that could be wrong. Or the probability is high enough to try a power supply replacement first. Has to be cheaper on average to attempt a power supply replacement first. And I think that component has the highest failure rate and contributes to many other failures which is another reason it was taken out of the receiver. But that's just my opinion, take it for what its worth, which probably isn't much lol.

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 12:47 AM

Well I believe if the wall outlet proves to be good and the receiver will not power on there isn't much else that could be wrong. Or the probability is high enough to try a power supply replacement first. Has to be cheaper on average to attempt a power supply replacement first. And I think that component has the highest failure rate and contributes to many other failures which is another reason it was taken out of the receiver. But that's just my opinion, take it for what its worth, which probably isn't much lol.

It gets easier than that, with a green LED to indicate the receiver has power [or not].
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Posted 13 January 2013 - 01:49 AM

It gets easier than that, with a green LED to indicate the receiver has power [or not].


I had assumed there was about led but wasn't positive so I explained the long version lol. I've never handled an h25/hr44. But an led would make things rather simple. Come to think of it do c31's have leds?

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 02:10 AM

I had assumed there was about led but wasn't positive so I explained the long version lol. I've never handled an h25/hr44. But an led would make things rather simple. Come to think of it do c31's have leds?

Yep, seems like "bricks" come with receivers that have a small LED.
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Posted 17 January 2013 - 04:18 PM

The direction of Directv Everywhere is slowly phasing out the need of a Slingbox with their service.


Ha ha, that's a good one. I can just see it now when locals get on Everywhere (which actually is a big if)--every time there is a contract renegotiation, they will want to charge extra for that capability. Every market will have different networks that are capable of Everywhere. What a mess.

And since the main thing I use a Slingbox for is for placeshifting network TV when NFL Sunday Ticket blacks me out--to me it is a huge deal.
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Posted 19 January 2013 - 08:07 AM

Boy, am I SO glad I hadn't bought an HR34 yet!!!! And at LONG LAST, they come up with a different look for a remote!!!! Woo hoo!!! I'm pretty sure by the time they release HR44, one or two of my receivers will be OUT of contract. :D

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 09:01 AM

Boy, am I SO glad I hadn't bought an HR34 yet!!!! And at LONG LAST, they come up with a different look for a remote!!!! Woo hoo!!! I'm pretty sure by the time they release HR44, one or two of my receivers will be OUT of contract. :D


I am willing to bet you will be changing your tune. The HR44 has a number of inherent problems. The hard drive is far too small, it only has 5 tuners, it offers wireless which everyone knows is unreliable, it has an outside power pack, and the new remote lacks some of the functions and convenience of the old remote. I for one don't want that thing in my Home Theater rack. I will be putting in a HR34 until there is a better offering. One tenth of a second speed increase in the HR44 is not what I call a speed improvement worth getting excited about. Don't forget the HR34 runs the exact same software as the HR44 so both will get the exact same improvements.

Now get back to me when Directv offers a DVR with 8 tuners, 5TB hard drive with recordings transferable, and a remote with Harmony/Logitech like features.

You guys need to wake up. Directv's plan is to only offer one Genie like DVR and one client. They will no longer need knowledgeable installers. All the installer will have to do is stick a dish up , run the coax in, and plug the DVR in. The wireless DVR will find everything else. It will be the prefect system for Joe average or Ma and Pa Kettle. Directv will be abandoning the enthusiast/hobbyist market that made them. Bottom line, this is a case of corporate profit/greed and not supporting the customers who made them. It may not make a difference anyway with RedBox getting into streaming now. It may be that Directv will find they have milked the system for all it is worth, mistreated the customers who made them, and will find out they made improvements too little, too late and someone else is going to eat their lunch. I personally think the greedy networks have pushed their luck too far. Coming technology will go right around them, eliminate the need for them, and there will be new delivery methods.

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 09:11 AM

The hard drive is far too small, it only has 5 tuners, it offers wireless which everyone knows is unreliable, it has an outside power pack, and the new remote lacks some of the functions and convenience of the old remote.


Well, you could Buy an HR44 and Replace the 1 TB Drive with a 2 TB Drive.

The Wireless HR44 works without problems from someone I know that has an HR44 and I have lots of Wireless Electronics in my Home Entertainment System that work Flawlessly.

The External Power Supply is a Great Idea in that it Eliminates Heat Internally that would be generated by the PS which will allow the HR44 to last longer and have fewer heat related issues and can be easily Replaced when it goes bad down the road and you will Not Lose Any Recordings.

And it is FAST, Really FAST and everyone has been Bitching about lack of speed for years around here so this DVR should be Welcomed with Open Arms!!! :D

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 09:13 AM

I am willing to bet you will be changing your tune. The HR44 has a number of inherent problems. The hard drive is far too small, it only has 5 tuners, it offers wireless which everyone knows is unreliable, it has an outside power pack, and the new remote lacks some of the functions and convenience of the old remote. [...]


The HR44 will accept an external HDD.

Yes it has 5 tuners, more than most other DVR's.

Wireless is an option, not a requirement.

Outside power brick offers the ability to change power supplies without changing the receiver and losing recordings.

The new remote is RF4CE, which may bring many new options in the future because it is conforming to a standard.

Your inherent problems sound like opinions to me.

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 09:19 AM

Well, you could Buy an HR44 and Replace the 1 TB Drive with a 2 TB Drive.


Or 9tb array even.

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 09:21 AM

Or 9tb array even.


WOW!!! :lol:
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Posted 19 January 2013 - 09:36 AM

Well, you could Buy an HR44 and Replace the 1 TB Drive with a 2 TB Drive.

The Wireless HR44 works without problems from someone I know that has an HR44 and I have lots of Wireless Electronics in my Home Entertainment System that work Flawlessly.

The External Power Supply is a Great Idea in that it Eliminates Heat Internally that would be generated by the PS which will allow the HR44 to last longer and have fewer heat related issues and can be easily Replaced when it goes bad down the road and you will Not Lose Any Recordings.

And it is FAST, Really FAST and everyone has been Bitching about lack of speed for years around here so this DVR should be Welcomed with Open Arms!!! :D


I am tired of hearing this heat argument on the power supply. I have a 7 year old ONKYO AVR with an internal power supply in my Home Theater rack. It produces enough heat to fry an egg or steak and I have never had a problem with it. I would say at least 80% of electronics have internal power supplies without a problem.

PS: If Directv would quit kowtowing to the networks locking our recordings to the DVR would not be a problem. Also remember, Directv makes more profit from VOD then it does from programming packages so it is in their best interest to keep selling you movies and not let you keep your recordings. There is nothing in the technology that is keeping our recordings locked to the DVR, it is of Directv's choosing.

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 09:50 AM

The HR44 will accept an external HDD.

Yes it has 5 tuners, more than most other DVR's.

Wireless is an option, not a requirement.

Outside power brick offers the ability to change power supplies without changing the receiver and losing recordings.

The new remote is RF4CE, which may bring many new options in the future because it is conforming to a standard.

Your inherent problems sound like opinions to me.


Very true. That is all that matters. I am the customer (and the CUSTOMER is ALWAYS RIGHT and votes with his wallet) and it is my home/Home Theater. I buy what is most advantageous to me and what I like.

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 09:54 AM

Just so you know, I have had Directv for 12 years (Premier Package) and think it is the best TV service out there. I love their technology, it is their business practices I detest and have a problem with.

Edited by macfan601, 19 January 2013 - 10:02 AM.


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Posted 19 January 2013 - 10:03 AM

I am tired of hearing this heat argument on the power supply. I have a 7 year old ONKYO AVR with an internal power supply in my Home Theater rack. It produces enough heat to fry an egg or steak and I have never had a problem with it. I would say at least 80% of electronics have internal power supplies without a problem.

I also have a top-of-the line Onkyo AVR here in a rack-mounted Home Theater setup.

Unfortunately, any comparison of that to how a DVR responds to excessive heat is irrelevant, as the HD DVRs have mechanical hard disk drives internally that simply can fail from extended heat issues. It's no accident that significant ventilation design is a critical factor in how these units are constructed.

The power supply and hard drive are the two most vunerable components in an HD DVR over time. The HR44 design has addressed both of these elements.

Circling back to the topic - the HR44 has one of the most innovative designs of any DirecTV HD DVRs to date, including how the hard drive heat is dissipated and the external power supply. No worries for it to be rack mounted here either - any eggs would take quite some time to cook based on temps lower than previous models.
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Posted 19 January 2013 - 10:04 AM

The External Power Supply is a Great Idea in that it Eliminates Heat Internally.....

For those that are testing them, I'm curious to know what the internal temps are?

Thanks




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