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DBSTalk Exclusive First Look: HR44-700 Genie


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#41 OFFLINE   sbauer

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 09:05 AM

Can you use an HR44 as a normal DVR in a whole home configuration and watch its content on the other DVRs? I'd like five tuners and 1tb, but already have a working network of whole home DVR's that all talk to each other perfectly.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 09:07 AM

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 09:13 AM

I asked "If you order a Genie can you specify an HR44? Who would want the HR34 now?"

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Please tell me they aren't going down that road with the HR44!? They are not any more 'functionally identical' than the HR24 is 'functionally identical' to an HR22.


Yes, they are "functionally identical." If you know how to use an HR34, you can use an HR44 the exact same way. That's "functionally identical." The only thing different is networking - if you are bridged wirelessly through the HR44 and had to replace it with an HR34, you'd have to add a wireless connection kit or something. Otherwise they work exactly the same.

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#44 OFFLINE   mcbeevee

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 09:21 AM

Does anyone know if the RC71 remote will be available before the HR44 is released?

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 09:28 AM

I asked "If you order a Genie can you specify an HR44? Who would want the HR34 now?"

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Please tell me they aren't going down that road with the HR44!? They are not any more 'functionally identical' than the HR24 is 'functionally identical' to an HR22.

That would be likely enough to keep me from going that route. Nothing like basing your system on an HR44 only to have it fail and then getting a beat up old HR34 to replace it.

I realize it is too soon for all the details but I'm sure DirecTV already has a 'plan' - I just hope it doesn't include 'functionally identical' anywhere!

We don't have any of that info yet. We don't know when it will be offered or if you can specify HR34 or HR44.

So, to everyone, there is NO information on availability or choices. I’ve seen a few questions on this and the answer is we don’t know. Any speculation either way is moot.

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#46 OFFLINE   Steve

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 09:39 AM

Can you use an HR44 as a normal DVR in a whole home configuration and watch its content on the other DVRs? I'd like five tuners and 1tb, but already have a working network of whole home DVR's that all talk to each other perfectly.

You can, same as the HR34.

I want to add that when used in a WHDVR set-up, there's no perceptible performance difference between the 34/44. They're equally adept at recording and serving shows to H/HR2x clients, and they both offer the same storage. Just pointing this out because if whole home is the intent, there's really no need to wait, IMHO.
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Posted 10 January 2013 - 10:09 AM

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 10:11 AM

Great, so those of us with an HR34 are stuck with this buggy clunky monstrosity, and because of all the issues with it that they cant seem to fix no mater how many beta firmwares they put it, that means this one will woprk great right out of the box and work very fast I am sure. The HR34 still moves like its an HR21.... Guess I will be calling retention at some point and trying to get one of these if they cant get the HR34 bugginess worked out.

I love how the review says it got WAY MORE POWERFUL...so basically, the less than one year old HR34 I have is a piece of dinosaur crap compared to what the HR44 is, has a better remote, has wireless, AND I see has an optical output, something the idiots that designed the HR34 conveniently left off and I had to buy a converter box to convert the coaxial digital out to optical....once again, thanks for keeping your boxes state of the art D....less than one year old and basically obsolete already....

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 10:58 AM

Based on the issues I read about with the 34 I waited till just a month or so ago to get one and I'm glad I did. When the 44 is released it'll probably not be worth considering for at least a year or two after you got your 34.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 11:00 AM

The HR34 is far from obsolete.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 11:12 AM

When my installer was here for the HR34 he stated a new unit next year, a HR44 and a new C series that would be a complete wireless system. I just blew it off then, yet now we here the fruition of the HR44 as to be true, so I would believe IMO the whole shabang is going to be wireless. That was the advantage to the Joeys on that front, which is why the new setup to wireless.

Again this is just what i was told through small talk from an installer, not a confirm.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 11:24 AM

Great, so those of us with an HR34 are stuck with this buggy clunky monstrosity, and because of all the issues with it that they cant seem to fix no mater how many beta firmwares they put it, that means this one will woprk great right out of the box and work very fast I am sure. The HR34 still moves like its an HR21.... Guess I will be calling retention at some point and trying to get one of these if they cant get the HR34 bugginess worked out.

I love how the review says it got WAY MORE POWERFUL...so basically, the less than one year old HR34 I have is a piece of dinosaur crap compared to what the HR44 is, has a better remote, has wireless, AND I see has an optical output, something the idiots that designed the HR34 conveniently left off and I had to buy a converter box to convert the coaxial digital out to optical....once again, thanks for keeping your boxes state of the art D....less than one year old and basically obsolete already....


My HR34 works just as well as my HR24. I'm not sure what speed issues you have, but I don't see any perceptible difference between the two.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 11:54 AM

My HR34 works just as well as my HR24. I'm not sure what speed issues you have, but I don't see any perceptible difference between the two.

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Merg, my HR34 is very slow sometimes with remote commands, the guide, navigating the guide, etc. Also people are still having many issues with bugginess in the box...so before perfecting the firmware in the HR34, they come out with a new box...probably because they know the HR34 is a bad design and they cant correct everything in it that needs corected. If people start singing the praises of the HR44 when it gets sent out to homes, how fast it is, how well it works, how it never bombs out etc, then D and I are going to be having a talk about my current box.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 11:57 AM

Great job, I especially like the "receiver stack" picture showing the size difference between the units.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 12:01 PM

Outstanding first look!

Been holding off on geting the HR34 because it lacked the optical connector. Nice to see the HR44 has it. Now if my HR20's can just hold on for a little bit longer. :)
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Posted 10 January 2013 - 12:10 PM

Merg, my HR34 is very slow sometimes with remote commands, the guide, navigating the guide, etc. Also people are still having many issues with bugginess in the box...so before perfecting the firmware in the HR34, they come out with a new box...probably because they know the HR34 is a bad design and they cant correct everything in it that needs corected. If people start singing the praises of the HR44 when it gets sent out to homes, how fast it is, how well it works, how it never bombs out etc, then D and I are going to be having a talk about my current box.

You're making a whole lot of assumptions there. I'm not sure how you can make the leap from the issues that you’re having to the DVR being a bad design. Especially considering not everyone is having that many problems. If it were just a matter of bad design everyone would be in pretty much the same condition.

I can tell you that there isn't anything in the HR34 that can't be corrected. Like The Merge, I'm not having the problems with my HR34 that you are. AAMOF, it's nearly as fast as my HR24 and way, way faster than my HR21. If your 34 is as slow as your 21 and you're having other problems, then maybe there needs to be some investigation. I would suggest you start a thread and see if we can’t troubleshoot it. Your problems with the HR34 definitely sound out of the ordinary.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 12:12 PM

We don't have any of that info yet. We don't know when it will be offered or if you can specify HR34 or HR44.

So, to everyone, there is NO information on availability or choices. I’ve seen a few questions on this and the answer is we don’t know. Any speculation either way is moot.

Mike


Of course, Just thought I'd cast my vote early! I'd hate to have to sum up this First Look as 'Functionally Identical' to the HR34. That would just be wrong!

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 12:13 PM

That was the advantage to the Joeys on that front, which is why the new setup to wireless.


Dish announced a new wireless Joey? I've seen reports that folks have hooked up the Joey using a wireless adapter but it's not something supported by Dish. Just like folks could hook up a DECA-W to a C31 and have a wireless client, it will work but it's not supported.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 12:18 PM

The 44 is the fastest unit I have ever used. I rarely have problems with it. My 34 has a few more problems, but not many. The response time on the 44 is the best feautre. scrolling through the menu is like lightning!

I have not noticed a significant difference between the 2 HMCs in regards to the clients. That area still feels buggy.

I do NOT like the lack of a stop button, but my RCB65 works with the 44, so...


I like the sound 'fastest unit I have ever used'!:joy:

A little worried about the 'have not noticed a significant difference' on the client side.

If it is that fast (and stays that fast) I'm very interested. Let's get them rolling!

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 12:23 PM

I'll take three thank you :)

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