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#51 OFFLINE   Datagg

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 11:12 AM

When my installer was here for the HR34 he stated a new unit next year, a HR44 and a new C series that would be a complete wireless system. I just blew it off then, yet now we here the fruition of the HR44 as to be true, so I would believe IMO the whole shabang is going to be wireless. That was the advantage to the Joeys on that front, which is why the new setup to wireless.

Again this is just what i was told through small talk from an installer, not a confirm.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 11:24 AM

Great, so those of us with an HR34 are stuck with this buggy clunky monstrosity, and because of all the issues with it that they cant seem to fix no mater how many beta firmwares they put it, that means this one will woprk great right out of the box and work very fast I am sure. The HR34 still moves like its an HR21.... Guess I will be calling retention at some point and trying to get one of these if they cant get the HR34 bugginess worked out.

I love how the review says it got WAY MORE POWERFUL...so basically, the less than one year old HR34 I have is a piece of dinosaur crap compared to what the HR44 is, has a better remote, has wireless, AND I see has an optical output, something the idiots that designed the HR34 conveniently left off and I had to buy a converter box to convert the coaxial digital out to optical....once again, thanks for keeping your boxes state of the art D....less than one year old and basically obsolete already....


My HR34 works just as well as my HR24. I'm not sure what speed issues you have, but I don't see any perceptible difference between the two.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 11:54 AM

My HR34 works just as well as my HR24. I'm not sure what speed issues you have, but I don't see any perceptible difference between the two.

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Merg, my HR34 is very slow sometimes with remote commands, the guide, navigating the guide, etc. Also people are still having many issues with bugginess in the box...so before perfecting the firmware in the HR34, they come out with a new box...probably because they know the HR34 is a bad design and they cant correct everything in it that needs corected. If people start singing the praises of the HR44 when it gets sent out to homes, how fast it is, how well it works, how it never bombs out etc, then D and I are going to be having a talk about my current box.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 11:57 AM

Great job, I especially like the "receiver stack" picture showing the size difference between the units.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 12:01 PM

Outstanding first look!

Been holding off on geting the HR34 because it lacked the optical connector. Nice to see the HR44 has it. Now if my HR20's can just hold on for a little bit longer. :)
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Posted 10 January 2013 - 12:10 PM

Merg, my HR34 is very slow sometimes with remote commands, the guide, navigating the guide, etc. Also people are still having many issues with bugginess in the box...so before perfecting the firmware in the HR34, they come out with a new box...probably because they know the HR34 is a bad design and they cant correct everything in it that needs corected. If people start singing the praises of the HR44 when it gets sent out to homes, how fast it is, how well it works, how it never bombs out etc, then D and I are going to be having a talk about my current box.

You're making a whole lot of assumptions there. I'm not sure how you can make the leap from the issues that you’re having to the DVR being a bad design. Especially considering not everyone is having that many problems. If it were just a matter of bad design everyone would be in pretty much the same condition.

I can tell you that there isn't anything in the HR34 that can't be corrected. Like The Merge, I'm not having the problems with my HR34 that you are. AAMOF, it's nearly as fast as my HR24 and way, way faster than my HR21. If your 34 is as slow as your 21 and you're having other problems, then maybe there needs to be some investigation. I would suggest you start a thread and see if we can’t troubleshoot it. Your problems with the HR34 definitely sound out of the ordinary.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 12:12 PM

We don't have any of that info yet. We don't know when it will be offered or if you can specify HR34 or HR44.

So, to everyone, there is NO information on availability or choices. I’ve seen a few questions on this and the answer is we don’t know. Any speculation either way is moot.

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Of course, Just thought I'd cast my vote early! I'd hate to have to sum up this First Look as 'Functionally Identical' to the HR34. That would just be wrong!

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 12:13 PM

That was the advantage to the Joeys on that front, which is why the new setup to wireless.


Dish announced a new wireless Joey? I've seen reports that folks have hooked up the Joey using a wireless adapter but it's not something supported by Dish. Just like folks could hook up a DECA-W to a C31 and have a wireless client, it will work but it's not supported.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 12:18 PM

The 44 is the fastest unit I have ever used. I rarely have problems with it. My 34 has a few more problems, but not many. The response time on the 44 is the best feautre. scrolling through the menu is like lightning!

I have not noticed a significant difference between the 2 HMCs in regards to the clients. That area still feels buggy.

I do NOT like the lack of a stop button, but my RCB65 works with the 44, so...


I like the sound 'fastest unit I have ever used'!:joy:

A little worried about the 'have not noticed a significant difference' on the client side.

If it is that fast (and stays that fast) I'm very interested. Let's get them rolling!

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 12:23 PM

I'll take three thank you :)

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 12:25 PM

I saw where RAD has a HR34 and a HR44 active on his account. Does this mean we will finally have the limit lifted from 1 HR34 to what ever?

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 12:32 PM

Of course, Just thought I'd cast my vote early! I'd hate to have to sum up this First Look as 'Functionally Identical' to the HR34. That would just be wrong!


I have both. Since I'm not actually using the wireless networking capability of the HR44, they are completely interchangeable in my setup. "Functionally identical" is completely accurate.

What are you basing your conclusion on?

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 12:50 PM

I saw where RAD has a HR34 and a HR44 active on his account. Does this mean we will finally have the limit lifted from 1 HR34 to what ever?


Not at this time. We've been told it will happen but do not have a date.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 12:52 PM

I'm more interested in the inside. Hard to believe it's that small. The HDD looks like it dominates the whole inside. And looks quite easy to replace, which is one of my main concerns. I like the exterior PS. Almost looks too good to be true. I've gotta get my MRV rewired one of these days and I'll try one of these when I do that, if the reviews keep coming in good.

Just looking at how the HDD dominates the inside of the box is a clear indication of how much smaller the 44 is. I find that rather amazing.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 12:56 PM

I have both. Since I'm not actually using the wireless networking capability of the HR44, they are completely interchangeable in my setup. "Functionally identical" is completely accurate.

What are you basing your conclusion on?


As you said, this probably isn't the thread to discuss this but...

The HR44 is faster, smaller, optical audio out, has wireless networking and the remote works simultaneously with IR and RF. Did I mention it is apparently 'fast'? The claim is that it is fast. And don't forget it is not slow.:)

Just because you don't care about the speed or the other items doesn't make it 'Functionally identical'.

Why would we need a First Look if they are functionally equal?

Let's agree to disagree and move on.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 01:18 PM

Great, so those of us with an HR34 are stuck with this buggy clunky monstrosity, and because of all the issues with it that they cant seem to fix no mater how many beta firmwares they put it, that means this one will woprk great right out of the box and work very fast I am sure. The HR34 still moves like its an HR21.... Guess I will be calling retention at some point and trying to get one of these if they cant get the HR34 bugginess worked out.


While I don't have all that much to base this on, I believe it's reasonably accurate. A lot of the code is likely shared between the 34 and 44. Of course there are differences dealing with the hardware differences, and the is about a 5 meg difference, but I think it's fairly safe to say that any software improvements will apply to both. We see this kind of thing with the HR20-24. They have the same software build number like the 34 and 44 do, and most of the changes apply across the board.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 01:49 PM

I asked "If you order a Genie can you specify an HR44? Who would want the HR34 now?"

You responded:

Please tell me they aren't going down that road with the HR44!? They are not any more 'functionally identical' than the HR24 is 'functionally identical' to an HR22.

That would be likely enough to keep me from going that route. Nothing like basing your system on an HR44 only to have it fail and then getting a beat up old HR34 to replace it.

I realize it is too soon for all the details but I'm sure DirecTV already has a 'plan' - I just hope it doesn't include 'functionally identical' anywhere!


Well, I will say one thing, HR34 has always been limited supply, and one vendor. W know because of ces that the hr44 will have multiplied vendors. I have a feeling there will be a boat load more hr44s out there than there will ever be of the hr34s. I wouldn't be surprised if the hr2xs are now longer in production either. The 44 platforms is the future. And actually, it should be interesting to se how they Handel it because of not just the wireless aspect, but also the remote aspect. That is likely more of a significant issue.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 01:49 PM

Can you use an HR44 as a normal DVR in a whole home configuration and watch its content on the other DVRs? I'd like five tuners and 1tb, but already have a working network of whole home DVR's that all talk to each other perfectly.


Sure!

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 01:50 PM

Does anyone know if the RC71 remote will be available before the HR44 is released?

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Don't know, but its not really meant for anything other than the hr44 and likely future products for several reasons.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 01:53 PM

You can, same as the HR34.

I want to add that when used in a WHDVR set-up, there's no perceptible performance difference between the 34/44. They're equally adept at recording and serving shows to H/HR2x clients, and they both offer the same storage. Just pointing this out because if whole home is the intent, there's really no need to wait, IMHO.


I'd say my hr44 is faster at queuing things though to watch via Whole Home Service. And I have faster response I trickplay too. That's when using it as a client.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 01:56 PM

Great, so those of us with an HR34 are stuck with this buggy clunky monstrosity, and because of all the issues with it that they cant seem to fix no mater how many beta firmwares they put it, that means this one will woprk great right out of the box and work very fast I am sure. The HR34 still moves like its an HR21.... Guess I will be calling retention at some point and trying to get one of these if they cant get the HR34 bugginess worked out.

I love how the review says it got WAY MORE POWERFUL...so basically, the less than one year old HR34 I have is a piece of dinosaur crap compared to what the HR44 is, has a better remote, has wireless, AND I see has an optical output, something the idiots that designed the HR34 conveniently left off and I had to buy a converter box to convert the coaxial digital out to optical....once again, thanks for keeping your boxes state of the art D....less than one year old and basically obsolete already....


Actually, I believe they have started a roll out of a new firmware update, and it is the most stable I have seen on the HR34. It's a good to note the firmware in the HR34 and the hr44 is basically the same. Same feature set and same abilities.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 01:57 PM

Based on the issues I read about with the 34 I waited till just a month or so ago to get one and I'm glad I did. When the 44 is released it'll probably not be worth considering for at least a year or two after you got your 34.


Hate to break it to you, but that's simply wrong.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 01:57 PM

I'd say my hr44 is faster at queuing things though to watch via Whole Home Service. And I have faster response I trickplay too. That's when using it as a client.

I guess I'd have to see them side by side. Sitting at an H25, I honestly could never tell if it was the HR34 or the HR44 serving a show I selected from the playlist, based on playback start-up or trickplay. Just my experience, tho.
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Posted 10 January 2013 - 02:13 PM

I guess I'd have to see them side by side. Sitting at an H25, I honestly could never tell if it was the HR34 or the HR44 serving a show I selected from the playlist, based on playback start-up or trickplay. Just my experience, tho.


No, i mean the other way around. My hr44 can pull a show from a HR24 faster than my HR34. Going the other way I'm the same as you, basically the same. I think the client is what determines the speed more than anything..

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 02:32 PM

Hate to break it to you, but that's simply wrong.


I hope you're right. It would be nice to look forward to something better than I have. My 34 was a big improvement from my 21s but the early issues I read about would definitely have frustrated me. So I'm just going by previous history.

When the 44 is actually released I'll follow along as I did the 34 and see what the reality is. Who knows maybe there'll be one in my future. By that time you'll be talking about the new 54!




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