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DISH Disappointed with CBS' Interference with CNET's "Best of CES" Awards


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#51 OFFLINE   P Smith

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 12:04 PM

I'm completely disagree with that panel who did pick the model, the CES demo item.

We are, customers, should vote !
Only AFTER first months of using in MASS, not by the "looker" at dish booth.
We are, who are still have problems with 922 (722s), we are who cannot get properly working Sling adapter with Hopper [2000].

We, not they !

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 12:38 PM

I'm completely disagree with that panel who did pick the model, the CES demo item.

We are, customers, should vote !
Only AFTER first months of using in MASS, not by the "looker" at dish booth.
We are, who are still have problems with 922 (722s), we are who cannot get properly working Sling adapter with Hopper [2000].

We, not they !


1) Pretty much everything at CES is a demo product.

2) It's a best in show award, not a consumers' choice award. How are we supposed to choose best in show for a show we didn't go to?
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Posted 15 January 2013 - 12:52 PM

Advertisers pay for those viewers to see their ads. Prime Time is the big time for advertisers. So they will reduce their ad fees and to make up for it, the networks will charge DISH higher re-trans fees.

All for just a FEW Commercials skipped.

Seems worth it to me.


My point being, if they pull all programming from Dish, they'll lose all ad revenue based on how many million potential viewers?

A much bigger loss than that of a few who might use the skip feature.
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Posted 15 January 2013 - 01:29 PM

1) Pretty much everything at CES is a demo product.

2) It's a best in show award, not a consumers' choice award. How are we supposed to choose best in show for a show we didn't go to?


Who the "eaters" of the awards?
We.

We are as consumers/customers to whom the cNet and engadgets, etc will shove the half-baked devices to our throats the "award" as push to buy/subscribe !

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 03:23 PM

Who the "eaters" of the awards?
We.

We are as consumers/customers to whom the cNet and engadgets, etc will shove the half-baked devices to our throats the "award" as push to buy/subscribe !


So what you are saying is you would rather have no evaluations at all?
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Posted 15 January 2013 - 05:20 PM

Had CBS said, "We won't award the "new and innovative, Share your DISH programming with a Neighbor box, until it's lawsuits from DISH Network and DirecTV are resolved, Charlie would have applauded their actions.

It is not the same thing. CBS is not a party to your theoretical service sharing lawsuit. In that example, CBS would be taking a moral stand to support someone they felt was wronged. Not a self serving decision.

If it's a great invention, it can get an award next year, after the lawsuits are settled.

It isn't new next year ... that award will have to go to the "Hopper 3". :D

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 05:37 PM

In the end the Hooper was the winner and nobody can take that away.
not even directv :D

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Posted 16 January 2013 - 12:31 PM

CNET specifically called out the functionality of being able to transfer shows to a tablet for offline and away from home viewing.

Sorry if I missed it, but didn't see this link posted yet from the editor in chief: http://news.cnet.com...ds-cnets-story/


I still say that if this is the best thing to come out of CES, the industry is in a majorly sad state.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 02:21 PM

DID you guys see the full page ad DISH had in sundays L.A.TIMES? Tells how dish got the award for best in show and how cbs goes to great lenghts to keep you from ad-skipping technology :hurah:

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 02:24 PM

DID you guys see the full page ad DISH had in sundays L.A.TIMES? Tells how dish got the award for best in show and how cbs goes to great lenghts to keep you from ad-skipping technology :hurah:


Yep. Yet another example of Charlie poking the very industry he relies on and must negotiate with directly in the eye.
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Posted 20 January 2013 - 09:54 PM

Yep. Yet another example of Charlie poking the very industry he relies on and must negotiate with directly in the eye.


And I find it refreshing. If Charlie didn't push for it, there might not be local-into-local or at the least would have taken longer, no one would carry the Superstations, and no one would advance the technology of commercial skipping or again, would have taken alot longer. Dish has done some dumb things, as most companies at times will do ("New Coke") but they also are the only ones to challenge the concept that the networks or even the FCC will determine what and how we will watch TV.

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 09:32 AM

Yep. Yet another example of Charlie poking the very industry he relies on and must negotiate with directly in the eye.


NO! Serving his customers with the latest technology.

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 09:55 AM

And I find it refreshing. If Charlie didn't push for it, there might not be local-into-local or at the least would have taken longer, no one would carry the Superstations, and no one would advance the technology of commercial skipping or again, would have taken alot longer. Dish has done some dumb things, as most companies at times will do ("New Coke") but they also are the only ones to challenge the concept that the networks or even the FCC will determine what and how we will watch TV.


Commercial skipping technology is not good. If you understood the correlation between ad revenue and production costs, you would understand that as well. Interfering with a substantial revenue stream for a content owner and then having to negotiate with them for retrans? Idiotic...Charlie...same thing. There is a reason DirecTV had the technology a long time ago and chose not to use. Please, Charlie doesn't do anything for the benefit of the customers unless it happens as a byproduct of his main objective...feeding his own ego.
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Posted 21 January 2013 - 09:57 AM

NO! Serving his customers with the latest technology.


Despite the consequences to all involved, including customers. So long as Charlie can pick a fight, that's all that matters to him.
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Posted 21 January 2013 - 10:52 AM

I might suggest a compromise, DISH disables the feature automatically on shows with 10 minutes (or less) of commercials per hour.

I, for one, can't remember 24 minutes worth of commercials per hour any how. Does the economic model of television fail with 10 minutes/hour of commercials at a prorated $$$ level versus 24 minutes/hour for the same $$$ ?



There, I just fixed the problem. Now, I'm going out and fix Social Security this afternoon . . .


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Posted 21 January 2013 - 11:23 AM

Commercial skipping technology is not good. If you understood the correlation between ad revenue and production costs, you would understand that as well. Interfering with a substantial revenue stream for a content owner and then having to negotiate with them for retrans? Idiotic...Charlie...same thing. There is a reason DirecTV had the technology a long time ago and chose not to use. Please, Charlie doesn't do anything for the benefit of the customers unless it happens as a byproduct of his main objective...feeding his own ego.


You know I completely forgot that your opinion is widely regarded as fact:rolleyes:

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 11:26 AM

You know I completely forgot that your opinion is widely regarded as fact:rolleyes:


Pure fact? Not always. Common sense and logic? Always. I'm always here to help people out who lack either.
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Posted 21 January 2013 - 11:42 AM

Yeah, I think that people are going to one day wish that we were back in the days when commercials were separate pieces from the actual TV shows.

Here's the simple issue: networks get their money primarily from what companies are willing to pay for commercial time. So, let's say consumers have a simple way to skip all commercials and decide to do so. One of a couple of things will happen: the networks will get their funds in some other manner, one of which is what gets charged to providers. Or they will find ways to put commercials in shows in ways we can't skip over. Product placement already occurs, but I would predict what would be more prevalent would be commercials running over the show as the show is playing. We already have the irritating ads for other TV shows running across the bottom of shows; imagine animated ads for peanut butter and pepsi and insurance running over the bottom of every show's episodes.

We won't get away from commercials, so be careful what you wish for. Eliminate what we have today, and it will be replaced with something pretty intrusive.

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 11:49 AM

Commercial skipping technology is not good.


Not to rehash previous threads, but we all know it's been around since the first VCRs and was probably a big thrust in their sales. I know it was for me -- as much or more so than delayed watching.

And I think we all know that ad-sipported broadcast TV as we know it today is going away and that the networks are fighting for survival.

Even the FCC seems to be moving away from broadcast TV, selling off the bandwidth to new technologies.
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Posted 21 January 2013 - 11:50 AM

then I'm envision more and more people will show middle finger and switching to renting or Internet download w/out ads what are ruining pleasure of watching what you want and how you want;
after all it's my TV and it's my time !

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 11:55 AM

I might suggest a compromise, DISH disables the feature automatically on shows with 10 minutes (or less) of commercials per hour.


From the start, I think it's been clear that Charlie sees ad-skipping as a bargaining chip. I don't think he'd be willing to disable it for certain channels, that might upset customers, but he might be willing, for example, to do something like monitor the skipping and pay the stations a bit more based on it. In exchange, of course, for them not suing him and not offering the same deal to others.

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 11:56 AM

And Autohop is not a one time selection, it has to be chosen each time you watch a show. So it isn't as non-obtrusive, nor does it make one not watch ads less than they would if they just did 30 second skips.

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 11:57 AM

Common sense and logic? Always.


Thats a stretch. Lets try completely biased and posting antagonistic replies for sake of posting said reply even at the cost of ignoring common sense and logic :)

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 11:59 AM

Thats a stretch. Lets try completely biased and posting antagonistic replies for sake of posting said reply even at the cost of ignoring common sense and logic :)


Refer to my previous post. Let me know if you'd like my help.
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Posted 21 January 2013 - 12:25 PM

^Harharhar.




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