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#26 OFFLINE   olguy

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 11:12 AM

Personally I prefer the tables. Dry to you, informative to me. Never have cared for charts. Made 'em in school when required. Numbers have meaning to me. Lines and colors not so much.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 02:35 PM

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Some at other web sites are making a big deal about "The Following" actually being up in the demo from its pilot. The truth is that CBS ran reruns of its lineup so you can't tell anything. When you look at the totals for the hour compared to last week, over 4 million fewer folks were watching live network broadcast TV, including 2 million fewer in the demo.

Which brings me to how to present the data.

Really? Who's "we"? Got a mouse in your pocket? That thing is deader than Conrad Bain, and for a good reason, which is that "we", hardly loved it.

OK, that was probably harsh; I should not bash, you've done some really great hard work here. But no one is going to digest those numbers in a dry chart.

Here is what I suggest: write a program in Excel or Numbers that automatically imports these numbers into a 3-D bar chart. X axis is shows, Y axis is timeslot, Z axis is ratings. Then we could see at a glance where a show is, and how that relates to other shows. Do the same thing with a single show (make the X axis previous weeks) and we could see trends.

Do that well enough and you could start your own website. John Hein sold "Jump the Shark" for 4 mil.

At the outset, let me say two things:
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  • I enjoy sharing here what I do out of curiosity anyway because I have the time as a retiree. I spent too much time in my life dealing with attorneys, accountants, and the public to ever want to face that on a longer term basis for money.
With regard to data, I'm in the same world as olguy in that the numbers themselves offer information from which one can derive an opinion. Some of the "profit making" TV ratings web sites seem to be looking at "trends" as if they are looking a bar charts and end up saying foolish things like "The Following" may be a keeper at Fox just because its ratings didn't slide in week 2.

In fact, this week CBS' ratings looked liked they plunged even as a percentage of the total viewers. But looking at the table, we can instantly see why - reruns. I simply don't know a good way of factoring in the impact of reruns and specials on a chart or graph without misrepresenting what's going on or confusing people.

But the nice thing about sharing my statistical perspective in a thread in this Forum is that others can contribute their views by commenting. If you want to, you can click on the jpeg of the table and bring up an HTML version I create from Excel and then highlight, copy, and paste it into your own Excel sheet. From that, you can create some charts and share them here. That might be very interesting for all of us.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 03:12 PM

Most of us really appreciate your efforts phrelin. Thanks!

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 08:53 PM

Same here. Thanks

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 11:46 AM

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As usual, "NCIS" gave CBS its usual win. When comparing it to "Idol's" Wednesday numbers, "NCIS" pulls 6 million more viewers. But the makeup of that is 2 million fewer demo viewers and 8 million more over 50 viewers. This is a trend that I believe CBS has effectively adapted to. Consider last night's averages for 8-10 pm.

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Yes, CBS did better than the other four networks in the demo. But it averaged 65% of the total over 50 crowd with the other four dividing up the remaining 35%. CBS average 8 times the Fox average in the over 50 crowd. And the over 50 crowd represented 74% of the average total viewers.

What we see on "Idol" Wednesdays is an unreliable 50% jump in the demo. But can a network and its affiliates continue to pretend that attracting 1% of the population is what counts? Do advertisers really only care about getting through to 1% of the population?

But the real issue lies in the fact that without an NFL game only 10% of the population is watching the major broadcast networks in prime time.

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 05:01 PM

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Thursday's ratings will be the first day of the Nielsen February Sweeps period. So this particular Wednesday doesn't offer much insight because of reruns.

It appears that some of the "American Idol" audience can be distracted by "squirrels' like "Superbowl Commercials." And maybe that's what happened to "Arrow."

Also, despite the competition running reruns, NBC's "Chicago Fire" did not benefit from NBC having run reruns the past two weeks. NBC's audience seems to lose track of their shows if they run reruns or get preempted by some special.

Some possible distractions include the premier of "The Americans" on FX at 10 pm which pulled a 1.2 demo and 3.22 million total viewers (the second showing 0.5 and 1.01). And, of course, the local ION channels run "WWE Main Event" that tallied a 0.5/1 - 1.62 million from 8 to 9 pm.

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 02:10 PM

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And so we move on to the numbers that the advertising community scrutinize carefully - Nielsen February Sweeps.

On Sweeps night #1 we find that "Big Bang Theory" on CBS continues to beat "American Idol" on Fox from 8:00-8:30, but at the half hour "Idol" pulls 4.8/13 - 14.61 million beating "Two and a Half Men".

"Idol" is still strong for Fox, but on on February 4, 2009 it posted 9.9/27 - 26.26 million. And February 3, 2011, a first night of sweeps it posted 7.5/20 -21.78 million. Over four years it has lost 5 million demo viewers and and 7 million 50+ viewers. If Fox had anything else going for it, that might be ok. But in terms of ad revenue, it has to hurt. Fox is, of course, the network that started the big increase in fees to satellite and cable companies to make up for these losses.

At 9 pm "Grey's Anatomy", at one time a real powerhouse for ABC, is now clearly #2 behind "Person Of Interest" on CBS.

At 10 pm, however, "Scandal" gets the demo win with half a million more while "Elementary" pulls 3.2 million more in the 50+ crowd.

NBC...sigh. According to one source, they did edge out Univision in total viewers for the night.

The "30 Rock" one hour series finale couldn't find 5 million viewers. Nor could an hour of "The Office."

And the only real question is whether we'll see a cancellation of "Do No Harm" today with its ratings in the range of a The CW show. It was down 55 percent from last March's premiere of the network's short-lived "Awake." I believe NBC also premiered "The Firm" and "Prime Suspect" in this time slot. NBC has a trust issue in our household because we liked both "Awake" and "Prime Suspect." I may record an NBC show in that time slot for a few episodes, but we're not going to watch it until I'm sure it's a keeper.

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 03:01 PM

I forgot to post the averages, but CBS was the obvious victor for the night:

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 06:21 PM

The cable ratings are in for last night and NBC must realize that the 10 pm premier of "Do No Harm" with its 0.9 million demo - 3.13 million total looks pretty weak when the 10:00 episode of "Suits" on its cable sister USA pulled a 1.0 million demo - 3.36 million total.

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 06:40 PM

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These ratings don't change much but we'll have to wait until "Touch" returns starting next week. Here's the averages:

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CBS is the winner, but only because they pull nearly double the 50+ crowd that ABC pulls for the three hours. Even if we're worth only half as much as the demo, somebody has to start acknowledging that the other nets can't just let CBS have us over 50 folks. We do buy stuff.

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 04:24 PM

If you're waiting breathlessly for Super Bowl Sunday ratings, you'll have to wait as I am for the finals as the "fast nationals" don't provide any meaningful info. In terms of total viewers it looks like the Super Bowl did well - something like 108 million. The 11:15 pm showing of "Elementary" pulled 21 million which pundits dismiss. Everything else, all reruns, had The CW level ratings.

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 04:28 PM

I heard on the radio today that the portion of the SB during the blackout pulled a 46 share.

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 12:51 PM

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I could find no truly meaningful way to present the Super Bowl Sunday ratings. Basically, the game won the night for CBS. The other networks ran reruns. And we again know that there are potentially 110 million viewers who could be watching broadcast TV, and 75-80% choose not to on any given night at any time slot.

Because of the power outage, CBS lost the real potential gain for "Elementary" which is unfortunate for CBS. Had it run at the 10 pm hour EST it is likely it the first half hour would have been seen by another 8-10 million viewers.

What the various half hour numbers for the Super Bowl reflect is (a) some drop due to what at half time appeared to be a rout by the Ravens and (B) the fact of it being live, a fact that for us Bay Area 49er fans, the actual game coverage began at 3:30 pm (and we were watching "Elementary" beginning exactly at 8 pm).

Again, there really isn't any meaning in these numbers except the fact that the network that gets to air the Super Bowl will automatically claim to be the February Sweeps winner. For CBS it's just icing on the cake as their regular programming will win February Sweeps, which brings us to Monday night.



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CBS controlled the night in both the demo and total viewers. "The Rules of Engagement" season premier did reasonably well, up 48% from its May finale. "Hawaii Five-0" still controls the 10 pm slot. CBS got no boost from the Super Bowl ads. "2 Broke Girls" at its last new episode outing pulled a 3.7/9 -11.47 million. The suits at CBS would like to find more viewers, but it would have to come from the 75 million potential viewers choosing not to watch broadcast TV last night and most nights.

Fox ran second in the 8-10 pm competition, with both "Bones" and "The Following" down. with "The Following" down from last week's 3.3/8 -9.96 million against reruns on CBS. This lineup seems reasonably strong, at least until ABC brings back "Dancing with the Stars" on March 18, after February Sweeps.

ABC's "The Bachelor" ran a decent #3 in the 8-10pm competition which is OK because it is a less expensive production than Fox's two shows. "Castle" at 10 pm ran slightly weaker in the demo.

NBC in the 8-10 pm competition is solidly trouncing The CW. :sure: The ratings for "Deception" must make some of the ex-NBC-suits grin remembering all the complaining about "Leno" at 10 pm, particularly the complaining from the affiliates who still don't have any lead in to the local news.

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 10:26 PM

As the cable ratings come in, one can't help but note that the 10:00 pm airing of "Teen Mom II" on MTV pulled 2.0 million in the demo and 3.37 million total. That's better than "Deception" (and better in the demo than "Castle").

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 11:27 AM

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CBS. The important thing to notice about the ratings is that in both the 8-10 pm competition and the 8-11 pm competition CBS pulled more viewers than all the others combined. Clearly, though, its 10 pm offering "Vegas" isn't up to the standard.

NBC. It is also clear from the ratings that NoBody Cares. The suits at the Comcast running NBCU were heavily into bringing a retooled "Smash" back. Why they would choose to throw good money after bad is unclear. When looking at the 10 pm ratings one has to remember that "Parenthood" pulled about a million more viewers and 0.8 million more in the demo in its final three outings of the season. "Parenthood" deserved about 30% more "buzz" than "Smash" because it was a great season from the point of view of writing, directing, and ensemble cast acting. NBC is too close to the New York-LA critics and distant from the viewers.

ABC ran a two hour "The Bachelor" from 9-11 pm which locked up the #2 slot for the night.

Fox apparently has accepted the #3 slot with its comedies as we see "New Girl' gradually declining.

The CW is a bit of a mystery. The series finale of the short lived "Emily Owens MD" ran no worse than "Hart of Dixie" but the network dumped poor Emily early on. I'm beginning to accept the idea that live broadcast ratings are only a part of the consideration - apparently web streaming is a significant revenue generator at The CW.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 03:51 PM

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CBS. Les Moonves, President and Chief Executive Officer of CBS Corporation, must feel a bit of frustration about Wednsdays during February Sweeps. They just can't figure a way to control Wednesday because of "American Idol" on Fox. Next week CBS will premier "Survivor" which might get them the #2 position, but Wednesday's are troublesome.

Fox. "American Idol" was down down substantially from last week.

ABC's Comedy lineup is a mixed bag, but it's good enough to get them the #2 slot in the 8-10 PM demo. It doesn't offset "Nashville" which is #3 at 10 PM and drops them to third place in the 8-11 competition. "Nashville" is certainly a ratings disappointment for ABC.

NBC. "Whitney" and "Guys with Kids" are running way to close to The CW's "Arrow." And "L&O:SVU" should be planning a wrap up show in May. On the other hand "Chicago Fire" is running #2, as NBC's only 10 PM show not #3.

The CW's "Arrow" seems to be it's only show of the week to actually get a million in the demo.

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 12:26 PM

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CBS won the night's averages, but "Elementary" is not winning the 10 PM time slot in the demo.

ABC's shows had a slight gain, but of course they are behind CBS in the 50+ viewers and the new 8 PM show "Zero Hour" won't premier until next week.

Fox. "American Idol" did not win its hour. When you look at the two half hours you see this:

8:00-8:30
American Idol 3.8/11 - 12.32
Big Bang Theory 6.1/18 -17.51

8:30-9:00
American Idol 4.4/12 - 13.99
2½ Men 4.1/11 - 13.72

It's obvious "Big Bang Theory" has an amazing draw for a sitcom particularly against "Idol", a fact that must drive Fox suits nuts.

"Glee" is running #3.

NBC. The 8 to 10 comedy lineup clearly beat The CW. The ratings for "Do No Harm" are below many The CW shows. Now what problem did the affiliates have with Leno at 10 PM?

The CW. There is not much to comment on. I'm not even sure why they are kept in the ratings - Univision does better.

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 07:07 PM

I am usually puzzled about decisions NBC makes.

But in an article about Christina Applegate leaving "Up All Night" I read this:

Ratings remained low, but NBC didn't want to cancel the show and lose a sterling cast. "We are not fools. We know that talented cast of actors; they're not growing on trees," NBC Entertainment President Jennifer Salke said in January.

Ms. Salke apparently doesn't understand that TV viewers are not all that star-struck.

Maybe a talented cast of actors is not growing on trees, but I'm forever amazed at how a show like "Person of Interest" starring Jim Caviezel and Taraji P. Henson can appear out of nowhere to be strong against "Grey's Anatomy" starring Ellen Pompeo and Patrick Dempsey, which appeared out of nowhere. Quick - name another starring role any of them had. If you can come up with one off the top of your head, you keep track of these things or are a stalker.

Just my opinion, of course, but NBC suits need to move to the suburbs and work in a mall.

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 12:40 PM

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ABC won the demo in a Friday that has to disturb a couple of other networks.

CBS. "The Job" premiered to disturbingly low ratings, well below "Undercover Boss." And the "CSI" crossover to "CSI: NY' did nothing for the latter.

Fox. The season premier of "Touch" had disturbingly low ratings, but what is not seen in the chart above or in many other sites that show the full two hour averages is this:

8:00 1.1/ 4 - 3.99 million
8:30 1.1/ 3 - 3.89 million
9:00 1.0/ 3 - 3.73 million
9:30 0.8/ 2 - 3.36 million

That drop off is an ominous sign of things to come.

NBC beat CBS out for #2 in the 8-10 pm competition with a "news" show.

The CW. What can I say....

Saturday has been lost as a broadcast TV day for years. Friday is headed that way.

Maybe CBS can sell enough geriatric products to support a show like "Blue Bloods" because we oldsters like Tom Selleck (68) and Len Cariou (73), supported by the next generation Donnie Wahlberg (43), Bridget Moynahan (42), Amy Carlson (45), and that youngster Will Estes (34), along with a slew of great-grandkids. But I'm not sure how long that can last.

Fox, which only has 15 hours of programming to sell, two of which are on Saturday, has to be wondering what they can do with Friday.

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 03:24 PM

I am usually puzzled about decisions NBC makes.

But in an article about Christina Applegate leaving "Up All Night" I read this: Ms. Salke apparently doesn't understand that TV viewers are not all that star-struck.

Maybe a talented cast of actors is not growing on trees, but I'm forever amazed at how a show like "Person of Interest" starring Jim Caviezel and Taraji P. Henson can appear out of nowhere to be strong against "Grey's Anatomy" starring Ellen Pompeo and Patrick Dempsey, which appeared out of nowhere. Quick - name another starring role any of them had. If you can come up with one off the top of your head, you keep track of these things or are a stalker.

Just my opinion, of course, but NBC suits need to move to the suburbs and work in a mall.


Well Caviezel was in Jesus Christ. And Taraji was in some Lifetime or cable network cop show that I used to really like. I think it was about a group of female San Francisco police inspectors.

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 02:08 PM

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Last Sunday was Super Bowl Sunday, meaning CBS had the Super Bowl and none of the other networks bothered to offer anything but weak reruns. This Sunday was Grammy Sunday.

CBS had The Grammy's. Enough said.

Fox ran it's usual lineup of animated shows which were down about 10%.

ABC ran it's usual lineup of shows which were down about 15%.

NBC ran reruns including a rerun of "Dateline." NBC apparently will offer some new Sunday programming sometime in March. In the meantime, it seems like we should be dropping them from the ratings much as was done when The CW quit providing programming for Sundays.:nono:

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 12:38 PM

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CBS. There is a drop in the ratings for the Monday comedy lineup. Last week CBS got a boost from its promos during the Super Bowl. But the eye network will have to keep an eye on this. "Hawaii Five-0" has had real competition from ABC's "Castle."

ABC. "The Bachelor" gained significantly over past weeks.

Fox. While "Bones" seems to have its audience, "The Following" is following the pattern of other Fox shows with a slow but steady decline in followers.

NBC has a solid lead over The CW for 4th place.

The CW's Monday lineup is performing dreadfully. To put this in perspective Univision averaged a 1.6 rating with adults 18-49 and 3.8 million viewers, which means The CW is not in 5th place among national broadcast networks. In fact, Univision does out perform NBC some nights.

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 01:14 PM

Tuesday "The State of the Union" speech preempted prime time programming. TV-by-the-Numbers noted: "Univision was the number one network in adults 18-49, while CBS won with total viewers." Thus there are no meaningful numbers to post.

In passing, it should be noted that on Sunday the season premier of "The Walking Dead" on AMC pulled a 6.1 demo and 12.26 million total viewers live+same day, opposite The Grammys.

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 01:51 AM

Tuesday "The State of the Union" speech preempted prime time programming. TV-by-the-Numbers noted: "Univision was the number one network in adults 18-49, while CBS won with total viewers." Thus there are no meaningful numbers to post.

In passing, it should be noted that on Sunday the season premier of "The Walking Dead" on AMC pulled a 6.1 demo and 12.26 million total viewers live+same day, opposite The Grammys.


Any idea what the total viewer numbers were for Tuesday, compared to last week and the week before? I wonder just how many people just didn't turn on their sets.

I bet it really annoys the networks to have an "event" like this in a sweeps period.
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Posted 14 February 2013 - 02:27 PM

Any idea what the total viewer numbers were for Tuesday, compared to last week and the week before? I wonder just how many people just didn't turn on their sets.

I bet it really annoys the networks to have an "event" like this in a sweeps period.

I'm sure it annoys the networks, particularly CBS.

The State of the Union ran in prime time on the East Coast but, since it is live, in my DMA it ran from 6-8 pm. Even though it pulled 33.5 million viewers, one can't call it prime time viewing. The "fast affiliate" ratings indicate that that at 9 pm local time only 58% of the total live viewers were watching compared to last week which is what one would expect.


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CBS. Until CBS premiered the 26th running of the "Survivor" series last night, they had been running various reruns in the 8 pm time slot against this season's "American Idol". Last year "Survivor" premiered at 3.0/8 -10.70 million. This year's 2.4/8 -8.94 million says something. But the reality is that last year, the 8 pm hour had 42.39 million viewers, this year 35.58 million. About 6.8 million viewers were doing something else. Here's the comparison over last year at 8 pm:

ABC -0.42
CBS -1.76
FOX -5.66
NBC -0.88
CW +1.90

While CBS could take some solace that Fox has lost more viewers, the fact remains that "Survivor" lost 17% of its audience. CBS will not ignore that. And "CSI" took the same kind of hit compared year to year.

Fox. Again, while Fox led the night, it's a grim year-to-year.

ABC's comedy lineup saw a slight drop in the first hour compared to last week, but "Suburgatory" actually saw an increase week-over-week. Year-over-year that lineup did take a hit. "Nashville" did slightly better than last week, but a year ago "Revenge" was pulling 2.4/6 - 7.60 compared to "Nashville" at 1.8/5 -5.71 million.

NBC was 5th in the 8 pm hour, actually losing to The CW's "Arrow" big time at 8:30. "Guys with Kids" pulled 3.19 million viewers compared to "Arrow" at 3.34 million viewers at 8:30. "Chicago Fire" with 1.9/5 - 6.65 million picked up slightly over last week. A year ago "L&O:SVU" pulled only a 1.7/4 - 5.85 million. For NBC, "Fire" has to be a keeper. I don't know what NBC would do without Dick Wolf & company.

The CW. Speaking of keepers in the new show category, "Arrow" looks solid.

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