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MRV Setup question (w/ 2 HR24s)


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#1 OFFLINE   n3ntj

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 12:30 PM

I have an HR24-200 and I have to replace an HR22-100 (bad HDD) and am interested in MRV. I have internet connected to the HR24-200 via ethernet and am replacing the HR22-100 with a new HR24-xxx. I have 2 HD TVs to use in this setup and a 5LNB Slimline dish (4 coaxial outputs).

I believe I need:
1. 8 channel single wire multi-switch (w/ one or more RG-6 runs from the dish LNB to the SWM);
2. single RG-6 coax run between each HR24 and the SWM;
3. 1x4 SWM splitter;
4. DECA Broadband Router Package (to connect internet to the system)

Is this hookup correct?

(if I wanted to not hookup the internet to this system at this point, I could just leave out the DECA broadband package and keep my ethernet connection plugged into my one HR24 to use DoD to the one IRD.)

Extra question - I have an AM21 (ATSC tuner) connected to my current HR24-200. With the above setup, would I be able to also view OTA channels on the 2nd HR24 through this setup?

Thanks.

Edited by n3ntj, 20 January 2013 - 12:54 PM.

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#2 OFFLINE   harsh

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 01:13 PM

Call DIRECTV and tell them you want Whole Home DVR Service. They'll take care of the rest.

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#3 OFFLINE   n3ntj

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 01:20 PM

Do you mean they'll send a tech out? I'd rather install it myself plus I am not home during the day anyway when they'd need me here to let the tech in. I can do it at night once I receive the new HR24, the SWM, and the splitter. I just wanted to verify that these 3 items were all that I needed for the setup I described.
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#4 OFFLINE   harsh

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 01:35 PM

You need a Power Inserter for the SWiM multiswitch (they are NOT included).

If you have Ethernet running everywhere already, you probably don't need to spend the money on converting to SWiM. If you don't, you can use a Cinema Connection Kit at the HR24 with a splitter to connect your DVRs to the Internet.

Live viewing of OTA across WHDS is not possible. You must be recording it on the DVR that has the AM21 connected to it.

Going SWiM on your dime will cost dozens of dollars.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 02:05 PM

You need a Power Inserter for the SWiM multiswitch (they are NOT included).

If you have Ethernet running everywhere already, you probably don't need to spend the money on converting to SWiM. If you don't, you can use a Cinema Connection Kit at the HR24 with a splitter to connect your DVRs to the Internet.

Live viewing of OTA across WHDS is not possible. You must be recording it on the DVR that has the AM21 connected to it.

Going SWiM on your dime will cost dozens of dollars.


From what I can tell, my cost would be $150:

SWM-8 w/ PS $139.99
http://www.solidsign...tiswitches&sku=

1x4 splitter $9.99
http://www.solidsign...ku=185463000832

I just called D* and was quoted $329 to install a SWM and set me up for MRV. WOW! No freakin' way I'm paying that! I'll install it myself!

I am basing my setup using this diagram: http://www.weaknees....8-2dvr-deca.jpg

So is the setup in the above diagram and my parts list in the original post correct?

Edited by n3ntj, 20 January 2013 - 03:18 PM.

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 09:01 AM

You must not be in big favor with DIRECTV if they're quoting apples to apples. A price like that sounds like it must include some manner of Plus HD DVR that maybe you didn't tell us about.

As I said in the previous response, your parts list is missing the SWiM Power Inserter from the upper left of the diagram but it appears to be included in the Solid Signal price.

Know that DIRECTV may not replace your HR22-100 with an HR24. It could be just about anything other than an HR20.

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 01:06 PM

If you go the SWM/DECA route, make sure that your splitter is a "green label" splitter (prior generation splitters introduce loss in the DECA signal).

As shown in the weaknees diagram, you will need all 4 cables from the dish connected to the SWM-8.

Of course, another option is to simply run an ethernet line to both DVRs (assuming that is feasible) and activate MRV in "un-supported" mode. (Search the forum for details.) This would require no coax cabling changes at all, unless and until you wanted to add a third receiver.

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 01:14 PM

I called two weeks about the Genie and the Whole Home setup since I'm moving a TV from one room to another. I was given $299 as the price for the Genie and $199 for Whole Home.

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 01:48 PM

As long as you can get Ethernet to your second DVR, I'd go the unsupported route. Here is the thread on how to request unsupported MRV.

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 05:23 PM

I ordered a new HR24 through Solid Signal since D* can't guarantee what HR2x model I'd get as a replacement. I called D* to de-activate the HR22-100 and told them to ship me a box if they want the HR22 back.

Harsh.. I ordered the SWiM-8 with the PI included (from Solid Signal). Since both HR24s will have DECA built-in, I didn't need anything else. A little rerouting of cables and I think I'll be set. I plan on simply running ethernet to the family room HR24 since I would only have a need for DoD on that IRD. If I d/l something from DoD, since I'll have MRV, I can still watch a DoD program on the 2nd HR24.
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Posted 22 January 2013 - 11:51 AM

An HR24 won't support DECA and Ethernet at the same time. The Ethernet connection will disable DECA, which will stop whole home from working to/from that DVR. To have whole home over DECA and VoD at any receiver, you'll need a Cinema Connection Kit (a DECA to Ethernet Bridge). These are relatively inexpensive, but require a coax connection. They come in both wired and wireless flavors.

The only alternative is to skip DECA all together and use an ethernet connection at both DVRs.

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 02:50 PM

I plan on simply running ethernet to the family room HR24 since I would only have a need for DoD on that IRD. If I d/l something from DoD, since I'll have MRV, I can still watch a DoD program on the 2nd HR24.


Actually, only one DVR needs to be connected to your router to give internet access to all that on your network. However, as Diana has pointed out, you'll disable the DECA in your HR24 if you connect an ethernet cable to it so the wireless CCK kit will probably be your best bet.

If running ethernet isn't too much of a hassle, you can use a wired CCK by splitting the coax (with a green label splitter) before feeding it to your HR24 and then run a short coax from the other leg of the splitter to the CCK that will also connect to your router via your newly run ethernet cable. Again, this will give all of your DVRs internet access for apps and On Demand.
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Posted 22 January 2013 - 04:59 PM

I plan on only having ethernet directly connected to the family room HR24.
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Posted 22 January 2013 - 07:23 PM

I plan on only having ethernet directly connected to the family room HR24.


This will disable DECA, thereby cutting off communication with your other HR24, hence, no MRV.
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Posted 22 January 2013 - 08:29 PM

Yup. The way Whole Home works now for DirecTV is that all receivers are connected to the Internet. This is done by having a CCK bridge the home network to the coax network. As mentioned, the HR24 can only be connected via DECA OR Ethernet. It cannot be connected to both at the same time.

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 08:32 PM

I called two weeks about the Genie and the Whole Home setup since I'm moving a TV from one room to another. I was given $299 as the price for the Genie and $199 for Whole Home.


So they offered you $299 to have a Genie installed and then they were going to charge you $199 on top of that for MRV? That doesn't sound right. In having the Genie installed, they would have to make sure that you have a SWM system.

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 04:46 PM

Then, in that case, I will simply only use ethernet for DoD on rare occasions. I've not used it much to this point. The MRV feature would be more useful for me, than the ethernet capability.
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Posted 24 January 2013 - 02:01 PM

Then, in that case, I will simply only use ethernet for DoD on rare occasions. I've not used it much to this point. The MRV feature would be more useful for me, than the ethernet capability.


Really? All it would take to do it right is a CCK-W, $25 + shipping from DirecTV and a simple hook-up using the pass through feature....and you wouldn't need to run the ethernet cable. Just sayin'. :)

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 10:04 PM

So this broadband router package device just gets connected like in the diagram I attached above?
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Posted 24 January 2013 - 11:31 PM

So this broadband router package device just gets connected like in the diagram I attached above?


Yes. The wireless-CCK can be connected in-line to a DVR. And even though it is the wireless-CCK, it can be hard wired to your router. You would just connect an Ethernet cable to it from your router and not use the wireless component.

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