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I have now officially seen the STUPIDEST thing ever...


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#1 OFFLINE   SledgeHammer

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 01:49 PM

I'm watching the Military Channel. On DirecTV, its a letter boxed 16:9 pillared into a 4:3 which is letter boxed into another 16:9. This program I was watching had some old footage from the cold war era... yup, you guessed it... a 4:3 pillared into a letter boxed 16:9 pillared into a 4:3 and letter boxed into another 16:9.

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#2 OFFLINE   veryoldschool

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 01:57 PM

As stupid things go, I'm not sure this is the worst.

I too watch the military channel, so see the same thing.

In some sense it's good that they're starting to create HD programing.

The downside is DirecTV doesn't yet carry this channel in HD.
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Posted 20 January 2013 - 02:00 PM

It's called windowboxing and is the choice of the channel owner, not the service provider.
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Posted 20 January 2013 - 04:25 PM

I have now officially seen the STUPIDEST thing ever...

Apparently, you haven't watched "Dance Moms", yet.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 04:31 PM

Apparently, you haven't watched "Dance Moms", yet.


Or Honey Boo Boo Thanksgiving.
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Posted 20 January 2013 - 04:43 PM

I'm watching the Military Channel. On DirecTV, its a letter boxed 16:9 pillared into a 4:3 which is letter boxed into another 16:9. This program I was watching had some old footage from the cold war era... yup, you guessed it... a 4:3 pillared into a letter boxed 16:9 pillared into a 4:3 and letter boxed into another 16:9.


That film was possibly a very low resolution back then and the picture would be terribly grainy if it were to fit the full screen.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 04:49 PM

Apparently, you haven't watched "Dance Moms", yet.


how about 'ALL MY BABIES MAMAS"?

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 06:13 PM

Try explaining that to a customer who just got activated...

"Why isn't the picture full screen?"
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Posted 20 January 2013 - 06:18 PM

Try explaining that to a customer who just got activated...

"Why isn't the picture full screen?"
"Well, you see..."


BT,DT well over 100 times. LOL. And that's just counting customers who made a specific issue about it.

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#10 OFFLINE   SledgeHammer

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 07:15 PM

That film was possibly a very low resolution back then and the picture would be terribly grainy if it were to fit the full screen.


That's all fine and dandy, but if your channel is only available in 4:3, don't be a douche and shoot your crap in 16:9. When you get a broadcast slot in 16:9, then start doing that and pillar the 4:3 content ONCE. No need to have 73 borders nested inside of each other.

Honestly, I think I would have had a bigger picture on my old 27" Sony CRT.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 07:23 PM

Or Honey Boo Boo Thanksgiving.


Amen, now i'm gonna have nightmares

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 07:27 PM

I'm watching the Military Channel. On DirecTV, its a letter boxed 16:9 pillared into a 4:3 which is letter boxed into another 16:9. This program I was watching had some old footage from the cold war era... yup, you guessed it... a 4:3 pillared into a letter boxed 16:9 pillared into a 4:3 and letter boxed into another 16:9.


You've had a charmed life is this is the stupidest thing you've ever seen.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 08:04 PM

That's all fine and dandy, but if your channel is only available in 4:3, don't be a douche and shoot your crap in 16:9. When you get a broadcast slot in 16:9, then start doing that and pillar the 4:3 content ONCE. No need to have 73 borders nested inside of each other.

Honestly, I think I would have had a bigger picture on my old 27" Sony CRT.

What you're asking is to have it cropped back to 4:3.
Don't you have this option under format?
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Posted 21 January 2013 - 06:23 AM

Try explaining that to a customer who just got activated...

"Why isn't the picture full screen?"
"Well, you see..."

Explaining is easy...call the folks who originate the channel, not the carrier who simply shows it the way they get it.
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Posted 21 January 2013 - 08:35 PM

Explaining is easy...call the folks who originate the channel, not the carrier who simply shows it the way they get it.


I've had customers balk and question the picture quality when a 1080 HD movie on HBO just happens to be showing an intentionally grainy live news feed or fuzzy security camera footage... Some people just can't tell the difference between reality and fantasy any more. :nono:

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 04:31 AM

I've had customers balk and question the picture quality when a 1080 HD movie on HBO just happens to be showing an intentionally grainy live news feed or fuzzy security camera footage... Some people just can't tell the difference between reality and fantasy any more. :nono:


Wow that's just sad

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 04:40 AM

I had to use zoom on my tv to watch the first several seasons of SG1 on SCiFi for the same reason.

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 06:22 AM

Or Honey Boo Boo Thanksgiving.


Or anything having to do with the Kardashians...

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 07:04 AM

I'm amazed that companies, who pay for advertising, don't want to use the full real estate of an HDTV and still continue to produce standard definition commercials. You would think that since you are paying for a the screen time you would want to use all of it?

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 07:41 AM

I'm amazed that companies, who pay for advertising, don't want to use the full real estate of an HDTV and still continue to produce standard definition commercials. You would think that since you are paying for a the screen time you would want to use all of it?


Perhaps it's less costly for them to do it that way.

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 10:11 AM

If a channel doesn't want to pay to broadcast in HD, the "sane" thing to do would be to show 4:3 footage "full screen" and letter box the 16:9 footage. That way you have a single pillar and letter box on the 16:9 and just pillars on the 4:3. Not a bunch of nested borders.

But really, why have a non HD channel in this day and age? Does anybody even have a non HD TV anymore?

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 10:19 AM

If a channel doesn't want to pay to broadcast in HD, the "sane" thing to do would be to show 4:3 footage "full screen" and letter box the 16:9 footage. That way you have a single pillar and letter box on the 16:9 and just pillars on the 4:3. Not a bunch of nested borders.

But really, why have a non HD channel in this day and age? Does anybody even have a non HD TV anymore?

IIRC, HDTV penetration is about 65-ish%. If there are 100 million homes with TVs that means 30 million+ that still have SDTVs. That's a very significant number.

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 12:19 PM

If a channel doesn't want to pay to broadcast in HD, the "sane" thing to do would be to show 4:3 footage "full screen" and letter box the 16:9 footage. That way you have a single pillar and letter box on the 16:9 and just pillars on the 4:3. Not a bunch of nested borders.

But really, why have a non HD channel in this day and age? Does anybody even have a non HD TV anymore?


Where have you been hiding out? Have you met any of the guys in this thread?

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There are literally millions of directv subscribers that dont have hdtv's...let alone all the millions of other people who dont subscribe to directv, that dont have them.

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 12:37 PM

Where have you been hiding out?

I tend to think the OP is just venting, as changing the format to crop, would removed the letterbox and leave only the pillarbars for the older 4:3 video inserted by the programer.
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Posted 22 January 2013 - 01:03 PM

If a channel doesn't want to pay to broadcast in HD, the "sane" thing to do would be to show 4:3 footage "full screen" and letter box the 16:9 footage. That way you have a single pillar and letter box on the 16:9 and just pillars on the 4:3. Not a bunch of nested borders.

Military Channel launched their HD feed in December, DirecTV just doesn't have it yet.




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