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#1 OFFLINE   Satelliteracer

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 04:08 PM

http://www.sportsbus...th/DirecTV.aspx
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#2 OFFLINE   spartanstew

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 04:11 PM

I don't have a membership there.

I'm sure Directv can't wait to get their hands on your unit.

 
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Posted 22 January 2013 - 05:16 PM

I don't have a subscription either. And I hate sports.

Perhaps DirecTV will find a new way of hiding there outrageous "regional sports fee" like they did the DVR and HD fee ("advanced receiver fee").

"Deluxe program channel surcharge"??? :mad:

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 12:38 AM

I don't have a subscription either. And I hate sports.

Perhaps DirecTV will find a new way of hiding there outrageous "regional sports fee" like they did the DVR and HD fee ("advanced receiver fee").

"Deluxe program channel surcharge"??? :mad:



I love Milwaukee...miss going to the State House, Goolsbys, Buck Bradley's, etc. Good times.


The Regional Sports Fee was just put into circulation by FIOS and will becoming to others as well. Outrageous, well I would say necessary. Things like $7 billion for the Dodgers for local rights is going to drive fees like that. I'd also note that the Advanced receiver fee for DIRECTV is applied to the whole house, rather than per box. So if you have someone like Time Warner or Charter, etc, you pay a dvr fee per dvr. Just my two cents.

Now I'm going to go to sleep thinking about Leon's and Kopp's frozen custard. Grrrrr. :)
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Posted 23 January 2013 - 04:21 PM

It's so much fun being charged extra for something you didn't want in the first place. ;)
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Posted 23 January 2013 - 04:31 PM

http://www.sportsbus...th/DirecTV.aspx


Can you paste the text from the article here instead?

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 06:19 PM

The Regional Sports Fee was just put into circulation by FIOS and will becoming to others as well.


Does FIOS let you opt to not receive the RSN(s) and not pay the fee?

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 07:58 PM

Does FIOS let you opt to not receive the RSN(s) and not pay the fee?


This is the latest language in the FIOS offer.

"Offer for new FiOS TV and Internet residential customers subscribing to a FiOS Triple Play bundle online. Promotional rate applied via $25 bill credit for 24 months; beginning month 25 standard rates apply. Price guarantee applies to base monthly rate only; excludes optional services. Rate may increase after 24 months. 2-year agreement req’d. Beginning month 2, up to $230 early termination fee (w/ $10/mo. prorated reduction) applies. $2.42 Regional Sports Network Fee, & other fees, taxes, equipment charges & terms apply. Activation fee waived via bill credit. Subject to credit approval & may require a deposit. FiOS and FiOS Digital Voice available in select areas. Actual speeds may vary. Battery backup for standard fiber-based voice service, FiOS Digital Voice, & E911 (but not other voice services) for up to 8 hours. "
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Posted 23 January 2013 - 08:00 PM

Can you paste the text from the article here instead?


I think that gets into copyright issues. I'm trying to see if another source picked it up.
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Posted 23 January 2013 - 08:07 PM

With these extra fees, does this mean we'll finally get CSN-Houston, CSN-NW and CSN-Philly?

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 08:14 PM

With these extra fees, does this mean we'll finally get CSN-Houston, CSN-NW and CSN-Philly?


You still have to deal with Comcast, which is problematic.
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Posted 23 January 2013 - 09:41 PM

With these extra fees, does this mean we'll finally get CSN-Houston, CSN-NW and CSN-Philly?


also need TCN-Philly to go with CSN-Philly.

What about pac12 Regional college Sports Network fee?
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Posted 23 January 2013 - 11:09 PM

I wouldn't expect directv to just start piling up the rsn fees. They will add more but they can't let it run away. That would not be a good selling point. Remember, these fees are not optional. They are transparent but still locked in.

If they could get comcast or the PAC 12 to go optional (and more per customer then), they'd probably do it in a heartbeat. But all want to be basic. Adding multiple fees won't save them.
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Posted 25 January 2013 - 08:51 PM

Here's a NY Times article on the topic:

http://www.nytimes.c...happy.html?_r=0

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 09:43 AM

As mentioned, Verizon has implemented a RSN fee as well. Directv's is $2.00 for existing customers only in zip codes impacted, about 20% of the country. $3.00 for new customers, same limited zip codes. Verizon charging $2.42, but not sure if it is limited to certain zip codes or not.

http://www.dslreport...880?nocomment=1
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 08:40 PM

As mentioned, Verizon has implemented a RSN fee as well. Directv's is $2.00 for existing customers only in zip codes impacted, about 20% of the country. $3.00 for new customers, same limited zip codes. Verizon charging $2.42, but not sure if it is limited to certain zip codes or not.

http://www.dslreport...880?nocomment=1


At least Verizon gives Philadelphians an RSN to pay two bucks for. Thanks for the note..

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 09:12 AM

are you from the SOUTH SIDE of Milwaukee.. since you mention LEON'S?

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 12:48 AM

are you from the SOUTH SIDE of Milwaukee.. since you mention LEON'S?


No, but let's just say I spent many good years in Cream City.
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 06:08 AM

As mentioned, Verizon has implemented a RSN fee as well. Directv's is $2.00 for existing customers only in zip codes impacted, about 20% of the country. $3.00 for new customers, same limited zip codes. Verizon charging $2.42, but not sure if it is limited to certain zip codes or not.

http://www.dslreport...880?nocomment=1

The comment I find interesting is...

The move is seen as DirecTV testing the waters for eventually breaking out sports programming prices separately, since it's by far the largest programming cost passed on to consumers.

No wonder they are fighting so hard on the recent contracts (PAC12 comes to mind).

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 10:20 AM

No wonder they are fighting so hard on the recent contracts (PAC12 comes to mind).

I've always seen programming as having channels like puzzle pieces in a box that make up the total cost of programming - at least until ala carte surfaces some day in the future - or else as a separate package, much like the Extra Pack is today.

With sports programming being among the most expensive, having it segregated for pricing would seem to make some sense, especially for those who don't prefer to subscribe to it.

How this all unfolds should be interesting.
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 02:49 PM

Couldn't a problem with it be though if certain sports providers require a certain percentage of the providers customer base have it?
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My understanding has been that's one of the biggest problems with ESPN, is they require a very high percentage of the customer base to have it (which means it would still have to be included in lower tier, lower cost packages, which still makes the costs of those packages higher than they otherwise would normally be).
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 02:56 PM

Couldn't a problem with it be though if certain sports providers require a certain percentage of the providers customer base have it?
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My understanding has been that's one of the biggest problems with ESPN, is they require a very high percentage of the customer base to have it (which means it would still have to be included in lower tier, lower cost packages, which still makes the costs of those packages higher than they otherwise would normally be).
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Yes. Espn does that not only for the revenue from the provider but also to claim households when they sell advertising. It even plays a part in the obtaining product from leagues, etc, who want maximum exposure for their brand.

The drive to put a channel on the lowest tier possible is not trivial. And pushing it to a higher tier is not usually easy.
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 03:31 PM

I've always seen programming as having channels like puzzle pieces in a box that make up the total cost of programming - at least until ala carte surfaces some day in the future - or else as a separate package, much like the Extra Pack is today.

With sports programming being among the most expensive, having it segregated for pricing would seem to make some sense, especially for those who don't prefer to subscribe to it.

How this all unfolds should be interesting.


Sports programming is a little like group insurance -- the more people in the risk pool, the cheaper the premiums for everyone. But when you start to cull out segments, the cost rises astronomically.

To have sports programming only for those who want it, you'd be looking at triple-figure subscriber prices, easily.
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 03:35 PM

At least Verizon gives Philadelphians an RSN to pay two bucks for. Thanks for the note..


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Posted 28 January 2013 - 04:43 PM

Sports programming is a little like group insurance -- the more people in the risk pool, the cheaper the premiums for everyone. But when you start to cull out segments, the cost rises astronomically.

To have sports programming only for those who want it, you'd be looking at triple-figure subscriber prices, easily.



Yep, going some form of a la carte does have big risks. Imagine a niche channel that is currently getting 25 cents from all of Directv's subscribers because it's in the basic bundle. But separate it out and only 10% of the customers want it. To stay at the same revenue level they'd have to charge $2.50, which would cause even more people to drop it, further driving up the cost.

Now do the math on a sports channel that's getting $3 or $4 a sub. Would 25-30% drop it? What if it's now $5-6 a month? What if 50-60% drop it?

Don't get me wrong, I'm a proponent of some form of segmenting programming into smaller clusters or packages or limited a la carte, but any moves along this road would be highly disruptive.
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