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#76 OFFLINE   woj027

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 11:03 AM

back to the question of would I get an HR34 or HR44 or is a Genie a Genie?

Why continue to make an HR34? Why not have the current vendor making the HR34 (if it's different from who is making the HR44) just start making HR44's?

To me the "x" in HR2x or HRx4 should be more like a model year. Are they still making HR21's HR22s? HR23?

I understand that there might be a volume of HR34's that need to be sold and there might be some contractual agreement to produce a certain amount, but to me it makes sense to start manufacturing the newest model.

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 11:17 AM

back to the question of would I get an HR34 or HR44 or is a Genie a Genie?

As far as DIRECTV is concerned it will probably be a Genie is a Genie, just like a HR21/22/23 is a HD DVR. Maybe though for replacement purposes if a HR44 is installed and using the built in wireless DECA it will be flagged on the account a replacement would also be a HR44?

Why continue to make an HR34? Why not have the current vendor making the HR34 (if it's different from who is making the HR44) just start making HR44's?

Don't know if they are still making HR34's or just going through inventory. It has been noted here that there are three companies that will be making the HR44, one of which is Pace that makes the HR34.

To me the "x" in HR2x or HRx4 should be more like a model year. Are they still making HR21's HR22s? HR23?

I don't know for sure but I'd doubt it, why should they? Remember DIRECTV gets a bunch of these back all the time from customers that cancel service, upgrade service or a broken one that gets fixed and sent back out. IIRC a recent financial call said they now have a four year life expectancy on HD DVR's before they write them off.

I understand that there might be a volume of HR34's that need to be sold and there might be some contractual agreement to produce a certain amount, but to me it makes sense to start manufacturing the newest model.

Again, who says they aren't? Could be there are warehouses around the country with palets of HR44's sitting around waiting to be released.

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 11:36 AM

Your answers really don't surprise me. It would be nice to have insight on how the hardware lifecycle works.

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 11:57 AM

I don't know what else you would want to know. DIRECTV products don't have model years like cars. All HR2x are considered equivalent unless you have a specific need for OTA compatibility. I believe that all Genies will be considered the same way.

I can tell you this, manufacturing contracts start and stop. For example, DIRECTV made the R15 from 2005 until about 2008. Then they stopped, and started making the R16 and R22. They stopped making the R22 and, believe it or not, started making the R15 again. Now, I believe that if they are making anything at all it is the R16. I have reason to believe that they have made all the SD DVRs they will ever make, and anyone who gets into an SD DVR now will be getting "new old stock" (to borrow a term from the auto biz) or refurbished gear.

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 12:18 PM

I don't know what else you would want to know. DIRECTV products don't have model years like cars. All HR2x are considered equivalent unless you have a specific need for OTA compatibility. I believe that all Genies will be considered the same way.

I can tell you this, manufacturing contracts start and stop. For example, DIRECTV made the R15 from 2005 until about 2008. Then they stopped, and started making the R16 and R22. They stopped making the R22 and, believe it or not, started making the R15 again. Now, I believe that if they are making anything at all it is the R16. I have reason to believe that they have made all the SD DVRs they will ever make, and anyone who gets into an SD DVR now will be getting "new old stock" (to borrow a term from the auto biz) or refurbished gear.

If you have specific questions I will answer them to the extent that I am allowed and able.


Thanks. I must admit that after I hit "submit reply" I'm seeing weaknesses in my thoughts.

I understand that the model year theory doesn't hold true, but like you said there is probably some overlap between one version and the next of a R, H, HR2x and HRx4.

I was thinking out loud that most likely the odds of getting an HR44 in the near future are pretty good because there are only 2 models compared to the HR21, 22, 23, and 24 you could get (HR20 no longer sent out?)

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 01:47 PM

I was thinking out loud that most likely the odds of getting an HR44 in the near future are pretty good because there are only 2 models compared to the HR21, 22, 23, and 24 you could get (HR20 no longer sent out?)


My guess is that it will likely be just like the HR2x's, with the newest model being sent to the installation people and a mixture of new and refurbished equipment used when they ship directly to a customer.

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 11:54 PM

back to the question of would I get an HR34 or HR44 or is a Genie a Genie?


Check post #57.

A Genie is a Genie. You won't be able to order a specific model just like HR2x's.

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 11:31 AM

Just out of curiosity, does anyone have any reliable information on how many active receivers are currently in use? Any info on the split between standard, HD, and HD DVR's?

It would be interesting to know what the "average" number of receivers is per customer.

This kind of information might help inform the discussion on when multiple Genies might be allowed.

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 12:23 PM

Just out of curiosity, does anyone have any reliable information on how many active receivers are currently in use? Any info on the split between standard, HD, and HD DVR's?

It would be interesting to know what the "average" number of receivers is per customer.

This kind of information might help inform the discussion on when multiple Genies might be allowed.


IIRC previous threads on the subject it was rumored that most folks have three or less receivers and only one DVR, which is supposed to be why the one Genie and three concurrent clients max.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 03:33 PM

I think it'll be very hard to get D* to reimburse you for an HR44 that you buy from somewhere else.


Yeah I'd be curious to see if D* reimburses someone who paid for a leased receiver through a 3rd party vendor:lol:
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 03:45 PM

Yeah I'd be curious to see if D* reimburses someone who paid for a leased receiver through a 3rd party vendor:lol:


DIRECTV gave me a $200 account credit when I wanted a HR24 when they first came out so I could buy it from a 3rd party. Don't know if they still do that practice though.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 03:51 PM

Just confirmed with both a D* tech and a trainer with MASTEC - tomorrow is when the field techs start training on the HR44. National release is NOT 02/07 - but the new pricing goes into effect on 2/07 I believe.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 03:58 PM

To continue with what Woj027 was saying:

With a Genie being a Genie, the 34 has not been out all that long so almost everyone who has one is still under contract, so returns due to a customer leaving Direct would be seem to be pretty low. If Direct stopped production of the 34 and just producted the 44 - the supply of 34's doesn't figure to be that large and it would seem that you would be more likely to get a 44 once they go national.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 09:22 AM

To continue with what Woj027 was saying:

With a Genie being a Genie, the 34 has not been out all that long so almost everyone who has one is still under contract, so returns due to a customer leaving Direct would be seem to be pretty low. If Direct stopped production of the 34 and just producted the 44 - the supply of 34's doesn't figure to be that large and it would seem that you would be more likely to get a 44 once they go national.


Sadly, using logic rarely works with D*.. :nono2:

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 09:39 AM

Couldn't find this thread, so I had created another one regarding the availability of it at Solid Signal...

http://www.dbstalk.c...903#post3176903

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 06:29 PM

Just confirmed with both a D* tech and a trainer with MASTEC - tomorrow is when the field techs start training on the HR44. National release is NOT 02/07 - but the new pricing goes into effect on 2/07 I believe.


Official launch date does not mean the entire country will begin installing at the same time. Chances are it will begin in Colorado and branch out. No set criteria as to what parts of the country will be receiving it first after that. Might as well add the tag at this point.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 06:33 PM

Also, I would take anything Mastec says with an entire canister of salt.
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Posted 07 February 2013 - 07:40 PM

I heard April for general release.

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 09:29 PM

there is NO general releaase date.....yes a genie is a genie...internet access is decided by the field tech I.E. 34 vs 44
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Posted 08 February 2013 - 09:55 PM

there is NO general releaase date.....yes a genie is a genie...internet access is decided by the field tech I.E. 34 vs 44


I heard it from an installer friend of mine. He said the HR44 is being beta tested in two markets in Ohio and will be in general release in late April. He said he was told this in a recent meeting.

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 09:57 PM

think it will make a difference of which model you will get if don't have a CCK to access online content
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Posted 08 February 2013 - 10:08 PM

I heard it from an installer friend of mine. He said the HR44 is being beta tested in two markets in Ohio and will be in general release in late April. He said he was told this in a recent meeting.


Do you know which Ohio Markets by chance?

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 10:32 PM

think it will make a difference of which model you will get if don't have a CCK to access online content


Highly unlikely. If it's being installed by a technician, he would come with the connection kit if it was needed, or just connect directly to the router. If it's being shipped out, they will just ship a wireless kit with the genie(assuming it was an HR34). The only difference here is whether they need to include a connection kit with the receiver or not. I don't see that being important enough to warrant a specific model.

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 10:45 PM

Do you know which Ohio Markets by chance?


Sorry, I don't. BTW, my sister lived in Westerville back in the late 80s. It was near a reservoir. That's all I remember.

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 10:48 PM

I heard it from an installer friend of mine. He said the HR44 is being beta tested in two markets in Ohio and will be in general release in late April. He said he was told this in a recent meeting.


I've got a buddy who beta tested the genie for 6 months before its release. He asked about beta testing the HR44 and was told the beta is finished. I would add, he was not told if it had ended entirely or just based on our area.
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