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Problem with the quality of SD on new Hopper reciever
Posted 25 January 2013 - 11:20 PM
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Posted 25 January 2013 - 11:26 PM
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 12:05 AM
Posted 26 January 2013 - 12:25 AM
Looking at the Satellite set up we have two - 61.5 and 72. However, I can only get strength readings on sat 72 but the check switch test result says everything is great!!
Is there a trick to getting signal strength on sat 61.5? Does the Hopper (and Joey) not handle SD output adequately?
Posted 26 January 2013 - 12:47 AM
Posted 26 January 2013 - 12:52 AM
Posted 26 January 2013 - 12:58 AM
Posted 26 January 2013 - 12:59 AM
Posted 26 January 2013 - 01:02 AM
When I went to the signal strength page to try your suggestion and I must have left the satellite on 61.5 when I canceled out of diagnostics a while back. It had transponder 2 selected and signal strength around 75 for all three tuners. It may be that to check each satellite you have to leave it selected when closing the page and then come back to it. I had earlier gone through everyone of the transponders, one after another, earlier this evening and got no signal.
The Sat and trans listed on point dish when you first open is the sat and trans for the last channel you were viewing before entering the point dish menu. That sounds like some sort of fluke if no trans showed signal on 61.5 after running a check switch and having it pass.
Posted 26 January 2013 - 01:14 AM
Posted 26 January 2013 - 01:21 AM
strange indeed. The old receiver displayed both satellite signal strengths so there was no reason to go back and forth. So apparently the problem is not with a lack of sat. signal (another post from a user nearby mentioned similar levels using the eastern sat group after his installation).
What do you mean by both sat signal strengths? Point dish is basically the same on the Hopper as a 722 or older receiver in that regard. It only displays one satellite and transponder signal strength at once and you can change the sat and trans on screen to view signal.
Posted 26 January 2013 - 01:31 AM
Posted 26 January 2013 - 07:57 AM
I have a 65 inch and I just tuned to an sd channel and set the format to normal and the picture looks fine and none of the issues you mentioned above.
I have a 73" DLP set and just switched from D*. I'm on EA as is the OP and I think the SD is great in comparison. About the best SD I've seen from either provider, but it is somewhat channel specific.
One of the locals is a very bit-starved sub-channel that doesn't look really good no matter if you get it off the OTA antenna or satellite.
Receiver : Dish Hopper w/Sling & Super Joey, Genie
HDTV : Mitsi WD-73742 73" 3D DLP
Surround: Denon AVR-2113ci 7.1 Setup
Posted 26 January 2013 - 09:04 AM
Posted 26 January 2013 - 10:29 AM
Testing a few SD channels this morning I don't see anything specific to the Hopper to complain about. Postage stamp programs and channels are annoying. But that isn't Hopper specific. SD should always be lower quality than HD.
You have not mentioned the exact receiver you came from ... that might help to understand what you are seeing. Also were there other changes? Did you move from Western Arc to Eastern Arc? What channels are you having the most problems on?
Posted 26 January 2013 - 01:56 PM
The Outdoor channel, EWTN, The Blaze, FoxSouth sports channel for a Predator hockey game, ESPNU. The images seem better when the there is more light in the background like on a basketball court, but dark backgrounds make it more noticable. The image reminds me of low resolution jpg images.
Posted 26 January 2013 - 02:39 PM
I got Eastern Arc in 2006 with the 622 receiver ... so I've been watching (until each were upgraded to HD) MPEG4 SD feeds for several years. I did not see any additional quality changes when converting to the Hopper last year.
Some SD channels barely give DISH anything to work with ... they arrive compressed and DISH recompresses them for rebroadcast. I can see where "JPG" quality comes into play ... especially on a 480i feed. It has been many years since I had a 480i camera for stills - yet SD television is still severely limited by a low number of pixels.
Posted 26 January 2013 - 02:51 PM
Thus it does not appear that the problem is with the receivers at all but which satellites the dish is pointed at? Where this is leading me I guess is to either live with it or see if the installer will reposition the dish. He had changed it to the eastern arc because of some trees on my neighbor's property. Our problem is that a number of channels we watch are still SD. Would have been nice to have both good SD and great HD!
Posted 26 January 2013 - 03:09 PM
The SD channels should be the same aspect ratios on both arcs ... letterboxed on one should be letterboxed on the other. I am not aware of any channels that are cropped/letterboxed differently based on the arc.
Posted 26 January 2013 - 09:07 PM
Posted 26 January 2013 - 09:25 PM
I was just commenting the other day while trying to watch an ACC basketball game how one team was one color of blob and the other team was another color of blob... and it was hard to tell much of anything.
So... some channels are pretty bad in SD.
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Posted 27 January 2013 - 12:34 AM
There is a limit of how far the dish can be away from the receiver ... which would also include the length of cable inside your home (dish to hub+hub to Hopper).
I will talk to the installer since the dish is not yet in the ground but on a stand about moving it past the problematic tree group. It would be about a 60-70' move. Do you know if Dish allows 'longer' placements like this besides the close to the home one. I'm sure it's more expensive in the wire but I'm sure they got plenty of it. Thanks for the help.
Posted 27 January 2013 - 07:56 PM