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Battlestar Galactica: Blood & Chrome


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#1 OFFLINE   onan38

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 12:21 AM

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 12:49 AM

February 10 from 9-11 PM. I have missed all the promotions and publicity? Oh, that's right, this is Syfy and it isn't even on the front of their web site.

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 02:47 AM

Already aired on YouTube in 2012. Not bad but I still haven't forgiven BSG for how it ended.
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Posted 27 January 2013 - 06:47 AM

Not bad but I still haven't forgiven BSG for how it ended.


Neither have I. I boycott Ronald D. Moore stuff now.
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Posted 27 January 2013 - 08:39 AM

Finally watched it a few weeks back, wasn't bad. Got me to start watching BSG again on netflix. Kind of fun now after watching all the prequels.

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 03:47 PM

Already aired on YouTube in 2012. Not bad but I still haven't forgiven BSG for how it ended.

I knew it aired on YouTube but I wanted to wait for the Syfy expanded version on my big screen with surround sound in my "home theater." I suppose, though, much of the target audience watched it on YouTube.

Let me take another try at convincing you the ending was not as bad as it seemed.

To me the last season was an attempt to interpret and reconcile to the "Cycle of Time" which is hardly an original philosophical or metaphysical construct and has been much debated. From Wikipedia:

Eternal return (also known as "eternal recurrence") is a concept which posits that the universe has been recurring, and will continue to recur, in a self-similar form an infinite number of times across infinite time or space. The concept is found in Indian philosophy and in ancient Egypt and was subsequently taken up by the Pythagoreans and Stoics. With the decline of antiquity and the spread of Christianity, the concept fell into disuse in the Western world, though Friedrich Nietzsche resurrected it as a thought experiment to argue for amor fati.

In addition, the philosophical concept of eternal recurrence was addressed by Arthur Schopenhauer. It is a purely physical concept, involving no supernatural reincarnation, but the return of beings in the same bodies. Time is viewed as being not linear but cyclical.

Also, in my view an underlying theme was the fundamental difference between other traditions and the Judeo-Christian tradition with regard to time. Again from Wikipedia:

Ancient cultures such as Incan, Mayan, Hopi, and other Native American Tribes, plus the Babylonians, Ancient Greeks, Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism, and others have a concept of a wheel of time, that regards time as cyclical and quantic consisting of repeating ages that happen to every being of the Universe between birth and extinction.

In general, the Judeo-Christian concept, based on the Bible, is that time is linear, beginning with the act of creation by God. The general Christian view is that time will end with the end of the world.

In a very real sense linear time is built into "machines" which the Western World embraces as a belief about life - linear time is "built into" all living things, except perhaps for the soul of the chosen ones, human beings, all or a few - while other philosophical constructs passed from generation-to-generation, including the Sacred Scrolls of the Colonial religion, assert that time for creations not built by man is not linear and there is even room for that built by man in the eternal return.

That is why I'm not displeased with the ending described at Battlestar Wiki as follows:

The scene turns to show Hera playing and looking upward. Scenes of wood and desert and sea pass by in a geologic montage to reveal an Earth city - New York City - 150,000 years later.

As a fly-over of the city appears, a voice-over of Virtual-Six reads from a magazine article of the Tanzanian discovery of the bones of what scientists believe are the remains of the mitochondrial Eve, the matrilineal common ancestor of mankind.

As a man reads about the scientific discovery, the Messenger counterparts of Six and Baltar look over his shoulder at a magazine article of the news, and reveal what they know...the bones are those of Hera Agathon, born of a Cylon mother and a human father. No other people on the street appear to notice them.

The two talk of the technology and decadence, of whether this Earth will repeat the mistakes of generations past and again become overwhelmed by their creations. The Six thinks not, to Baltar's surprise. She cites the Law of Averages, believing it to be part of God's plan.

"You know it doesn't like that name," Baltar says. Six only looks back in mild defiance. "Silly. Silly me," he replies as the two walk away into the metropolis.

The episode concludes with scenes of robots, from toys to advanced automatons growing and evolving, as Jimi Hendrix's--Earth's popular version--of "All Along The Watchtower" plays, ending with an image of an attractive-looking female automaton gazing out over Times Square from a giant outdoor television screen as Six and Baltar walk off into the distance.

Keep in mind that in the Season 1 we saw the following:

Thrace is told of her part in a destiny by the second copy of the Cylon Leoben Conoy in the season 1 episode "Flesh and Bone" during his interrogation. The lines suggest that Thrace's destiny also involves the Leoben himself:

"This is not your path, Starbuck. You have a different destiny."

"All this has happened before, and all of it will happen again."

"You kneel before idols and ask for guidance and you can't see that your destiny's already been written. Each of us plays a role, each time a different role. Maybe the last time I was the interrogator, and you were the prisoner. The players change, the story remains the same. And this time...this time, your role is to deliver my soul unto God. Do it for me. It's your destiny, and mine."

And so the ending leaves us continuing to ponder whether "as it was, so will it be" is about time (the Universe?) starting over again following the same broad patterns of destiny (maybe until we get it right) or is about humans just being stupid over and over again in a linear time frame.

No perfect ending existed for "Battlestar Galactica" because in Season 1 we were confronted with a statement of fact: "All this has happened before, and all of it will happen again." That is a very significant challenge to the generally accepted construct of time in the Western World - simply there is no ending, much less a satisfying one.

Edited by phrelin, 27 January 2013 - 03:56 PM.
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Posted 27 January 2013 - 04:32 PM

Let me take another try at convincing you the ending was not as bad as it seemed.


That's not possible. I think the way BSG ended is the absolute worst ending to a series that I've ever seen. Someone said Last Resort's ending was a cop out. They clearly didn't watch BSG or they'd know what a cop out ending really is.
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Posted 27 January 2013 - 04:41 PM

Yeah, well, it sucked anyways. Baltar and #6 smirking around NYC looking like silly idiot ghosts right out of "Topper" and spewing incomprehensible pretentious nonsense was an insult to the loyal audience. There's good writing, and bad. This was THE WORST of the WORST!

Fact is, the whole cyclical reality concept was never set up well, and never got paid off. It was a half-baked mess--just like the Hendrix music--tacked onto the plot and did nothing but confuse everyone, including the actors themselves. Yes, Virginia, writers mess up. All the time.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 10:11 AM

I guess I'm in the minority. I thought the ending to BSG was great.

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Blood and Chrome felt much like BSG. The storytelling and intrigue was there. The emotion was there. It's going to be awesome.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 10:13 AM

litex2x:

To do a spoiler correctly, you need to use the spoiler tags...

[spoiler ] and [/spoiler]

Remove the space after the "r" in the first tag.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 10:51 AM

I would have been content with the midseason, pre-strike ending. The second half of that season went off the crazy deep end.

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 05:26 AM

+1. Looking forward to Blood and Chrome and hoping it doesn't lapse into incomprehensible babble about "it's all happened before" or anything about Hera. BTW, did they EVER explain what invisible #6 was doing hovering around Gaius all the time? Was he a Cylon too and she was just an implant in his head or something?? I saw the whole show but don't remember them ever really explaining that gag, though they milked it in every episode. We know she wasn't an imbedded chip since they scanned him and found nothing. I guess he wasn't a Cylon, but later there was a Baltar "Messenger" or something. Huh?

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 01:03 AM

I knew it aired on YouTube but I wanted to wait for the Syfy expanded version on my big screen with surround sound in my "home theater."


I am in the same boat. I want to watch tv on a screen that I do not have to lean forward to see.

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 03:17 AM

+1. One of the great pleasures during the series was to lay back in bed and let all that yummy monstrous 5.1 audio and HD big screen space ships at war goodness wash over me. Sweet!

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 11:10 AM

+1. Looking forward to Blood and Chrome and hoping it doesn't lapse into incomprehensible babble about "it's all happened before" or anything about Hera. BTW, did they EVER explain what invisible #6 was doing hovering around Gaius all the time? Was he a Cylon too and she was just an implant in his head or something?? I saw the whole show but don't remember them ever really explaining that gag, though they milked it in every episode. We know she wasn't an imbedded chip since they scanned him and found nothing. I guess he wasn't a Cylon, but later there was a Baltar "Messenger" or something. Huh?


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Posted 03 February 2013 - 01:52 PM

Ah, thus the appalled response of most viewers. I saw it but that plot point was so preposterous and plainly silly that it just went right past me. Thanks for reminding me the writers were suffering from major burnout by the end!

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 01:58 PM

Ah, thus the appalled response of most viewers. I saw it but that plot point was so preposterous and plainly silly that it just went right past me. Thanks for reminding me the writers were suffering from major burnout by the end!


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Posted 03 February 2013 - 03:09 PM

I have to wonder how the show avoided major protests by religious groups! Robots with souls? Where was all the marching and hate group threats we saw with The Passion of the Christ? This was far worse in their eyes! They even took Jesus right out of the picture.:lol:

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 10:09 AM

I watched Blood and Chrome last night. I thought it was okay. The story was solid, and there was good action. But I found the audio to be somewhat muddy and the PQ just sucked. The lens flares were distracting.

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 10:23 AM

"Let me take another try at convincing you the ending was not as bad as it seemed."

The stuff you've tried to justify was pretty bad, but may have been an okay ending - if only it weren't for the joke played on the fans of the show by Moore and the other writers:

The explanation for all that strange stuff, the dreams and "Along the Watchtower," for example, is ....

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 03:19 PM

A lot of fans for years were dying to know how "All Along the Watchtower" and the cyclical universe concept was going to ultimately pay off. That's a huge indictment of the producers to allow such sloppiness of continuity and meaningless clue/content of major tease elements to thrash around loose like that and never really pay off or even get adequately explained in any way. Sounds like some paychecks going up some noses.

"It was all a Cylon dream..."

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 04:14 PM

A lot of fans for years were dying to know how "All Along the Watchtower" and the cyclical universe concept was going to ultimately pay off. That's a huge indictment of the producers to allow such sloppiness of continuity and meaningless clue/content of major tease elements to thrash around loose like that and never really pay off or even get adequately explained in any way. Sounds like some paychecks going up some noses.

"It was all a Cylon dream..."


It was a slap in the face from Ronald D. Moore is what it was. I boycott anything with his name on it now.
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Posted 14 February 2013 - 10:14 AM

So what's to become of blood and chrome. Was this it or will there be a series?

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 12:38 PM

That's not possible. I think the way BSG ended is the absolute worst ending to a series that I've ever seen. Someone said Last Resort's ending was a cop out. They clearly didn't watch BSG or they'd know what a cop out ending really is.


"Lost" was the worst ending in the history of TV...
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Posted 14 February 2013 - 12:40 PM

At least there were endings. I hate it when you get involved in a TV series and they pull the plug on it with no ending to a continuing story line.

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